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Post#241 » by urinesane » Wed May 24, 2023 1:02 am

Calinks wrote:Towns has rattled me so many times so its hard to feel good about him right now. The stuff with the refs has just been out of control to me. That said, he did a lot better in the playoffs when it came to the refs and they gave him a better whistle, (even still he racked up fouls). The other big issue is his poor play in the post-season.

He was really good in the play-in game against the Pelicans, straight up star. He had some big games to close the season out. I also know he was dealing with injuries, weight issues, etc at different points in the season.

Really, if KAT didn't have the mental issues and showed up in the playoffs I wouldn't consider trading him. When he is the Towns we knew for his first 5 seasons or so, he is a beast. He also use to have a really good game from the post that has just vanished since he slimmed down.

I wont totally hate on him for flopping because again, so many other stars flopped in these playoffs like Devilz said but I still don't trust him, not like used. He was a guaranteed 20 and 9 in t he past but he has been a lot more turbulent these last couple of seasons.


If you go back and watch his games post injury, he really didn't complain to the refs that much at all. It was pretty nice to see that in his time off he must have made a concerted effort to hear the criticism and try to change it (he wasn't perfect, but it was noticeably improved).
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Post#242 » by Nick K » Wed May 24, 2023 1:07 am

Gday mate wrote:Not sure what the Wolves were holding him back from :lol:


The Wolves were holding him back from going 1 for 11.
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Post#243 » by TimberKat » Thu May 25, 2023 1:31 am

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Gday mate wrote:Not sure what the Wolves were holding him back from :lol:


The Wolves were holding him back from going 1 for 11.

The Wolves did hold him back from reaching top rated Night clubs and grade A cannabis.
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Post#244 » by Calinks » Sun May 28, 2023 3:04 am

We went from Jimmy Butler is a legend and greatest Heat player ever to Heat fans saying Jimmy needs to stop spending so much time on Instagram and focus on his game. Some Heat fans are saying they need to trade him. LMAO, NBA fans are like no other.
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Post#245 » by Neeva » Sun May 28, 2023 4:16 am

I feel kind of bad for Buttler stan Airp, remember him? Whoever wins Monday I got Denver in 4 or 5 anyway.
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Post#246 » by Slim Tubby » Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 am

I don't watch as many general NBA games as most others on here but I haven't been overly impressed by Adebayo, at least based on his reputation by fans across the league. He's good defensively but I'd rather have KAT, especially next to Gobert.
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Post#247 » by Neeva » Sun May 28, 2023 5:52 am

Slim Tubby wrote:I don't watch as many general NBA games as most others on here but I haven't been overly impressed by Adebayo, at least based on his reputation by fans across the league. He's good defensively but I'd rather have KAT, especially next to Gobert.

He’s been so bad in games 4,5 and 6. If kat played like him he would get crucified.
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Post#248 » by TimberKat » Sun May 28, 2023 3:44 pm

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Slim Tubby wrote:I don't watch as many general NBA games as most others on here but I haven't been overly impressed by Adebayo, at least based on his reputation by fans across the league. He's good defensively but I'd rather have KAT, especially next to Gobert.

He’s been so bad in games 4,5 and 6. If kat played like him he would get crucified.

Everytime I watched the heat, Bam wasn't good. I always feel he is overrated. I supposed he may be a good pairing with Towns.
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Post#249 » by m2002brian » Sun May 28, 2023 3:59 pm

I thought Bam was playing great. I even wondered if
swapping McFaniels (I’m a bin fan) for Bam was a realistic trade idea. After that, Bam disappeared.
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Post#250 » by Calinks » Sun May 28, 2023 6:27 pm

Bams good but he does the dirty work/little things. I think ultimately that's kind of the big you want to go with in todays game. You don't really want your big to be your star/top-salary guy but you want him to be really good at some things. I think the best team construction for the modern game is some really great wings and a good big. Good bigs kind of cancel out great bigs, they at least perform well enough to not be a huge issue. You can get buy. If your wings/guards are not up to par with your opponents you are toast.

Bam might be a problem now though cause he is making some really big money. Might be too much for his skillset and team construction.
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Post#251 » by TimberKat » Tue May 30, 2023 1:35 am

Calinks wrote:Bams good but he does the dirty work/little things. I think ultimately that's kind of the big you want to go with in todays game. You don't really want your big to be your star/top-salary guy but you want him to be really good at some things. I think the best team construction for the modern game is some really great wings and a good big. Good bigs kind of cancel out great bigs, they at least perform well enough to not be a huge issue. You can get buy. If your wings/guards are not up to par with your opponents you are toast.

Bam might be a problem now though cause he is making some really big money. Might be too much for his skillset and team construction.

It's interesting in that is what the pro Gobert camp said about Gobert too. Bam will make 31M next year vs Gobert at 42M, so, not exactly cheap either.
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Post#252 » by TimberKat » Tue May 30, 2023 1:36 am

Heat 50% from 3s first half and Celtics 19%. I think Celtics will come back to win game 7.
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Post#253 » by Calinks » Tue May 30, 2023 2:23 am

The ultimate tease to Celtics fans if they flop this game. What a heartbreaker. Hard to recover from this. Caleb Martin has been a new man.
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Post#254 » by TimberKat » Tue May 30, 2023 2:26 am

Calinks wrote:The ultimate tease to Celtics fans if they flop this game. What a heartbreaker. Hard to recover from this. Caleb Martin has been a new man.

I don't like Jaylen Brown anymore. He should put his mask back on than bring back that stunt double that was playing so well.
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Post#255 » by Neeva » Tue May 30, 2023 11:51 pm

Brown seems like he would leave for his desired destination as soon as he can. Boston fans universally are done with him and his supposed “drama”. He also can’t dribble and will be maxed.
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Post#256 » by Klomp » Thu Jun 1, 2023 12:37 am

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Post#257 » by Calinks » Thu Jun 1, 2023 8:57 pm

This is so bizarre! LOL

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Post#258 » by minimus » Fri Jun 2, 2023 11:29 am

I wonder whether it was the same GM who built current DEN team that is all about chemistry AND traded for Gobert and now we have little chemistry in MIN... I prefer to think that Connelly first trade was change of direction from offensive minded team to defensive minded, and all following moves such as Anderson signing and Conley trade were steps in this direction, so our chemistry both in offense and defense will grow


https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2023/05/28/mike-malone-reveals-tim-connelly-almost-ruined-nuggets/
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Post#259 » by Devilzsidewalk » Fri Jun 2, 2023 3:28 pm

I'm really starting to appreciate the simple, yet highly effective approach to Denver's offense.

Starts with pushing the ball with shooters everywhere, so the opposition has to match up immediately. If you get back to prevent transition offense, now the half-court terrorizing begins. Jokic has the handle, vision, and shooting to operate up top and draw a big man away from the rim. Denver has excellent size at guard and forward, so they see if you got some feeble guy on Porter or Gordon especially, and it's a quick duck-in to the front of the rim, Jokic makes the perfect pass, seal, score. If that's not there, they find who's worse at navigating around a screen, run a dribble hand off with Jokic for a quick 3 for Murray or Porter or maybe KCP. Then there's always quick postups available for Murray or Jokic because they frequently have a size advantage. If not, then set a pick, Murray with a middy, Jokic with a roll or a pop out for 3, or get down hill and the wing defender helps, and an open corner 3...

it's just a buffet of great shot opportunities. but it a lot of it starts with Joker being able to operate up top as a passer, screener, and scorer, and then so much size and athleticism and shooting around him.

It makes me wonder if we could do a Walmart version of that offense with KAT. He's probably not going to have an assist percentage in the 40s, but maybe the high 20s low 30s at least? With Ant, we don't need or want every single thing to go through KAT anyways. But with Ant, Jaden, and SloMo, I think that's 3 guys that can dive to the front of the rim and score over smaller defenders and mismatches. We probably need one more guy - a big PG or a traditional wing and SloMo operates as the defacto PG. Then they have to be able to hit a 3 off of dribble handoffs too, so it couldn't be someone 1 dimensional like Westbrook. Maybe NAW, but I don't know if I trust his shooting yet.

It's kinda sad to see what a unique identity Jokic has been able to carve out with the help of Malone, and meanwhile, we start out with what was at one time, the #1 prospect in the NBA, and now 8 years and 4 coaches later, he has no identity still. An absolute travesty of development, or lack there-of.
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Post#260 » by urinesane » Fri Jun 2, 2023 4:06 pm

minimus wrote:I wonder whether it was the same GM who built current DEN team that is all about chemistry AND traded for Gobert and now we have little chemistry in MIN... I prefer to think that Connelly first trade was change of direction from offensive minded team to defensive minded, and all following moves such as Anderson signing and Conley trade were steps in this direction, so our chemistry both in offense and defense will grow


https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2023/05/28/mike-malone-reveals-tim-connelly-almost-ruined-nuggets/


You can read that article different ways. You can be pessimistic (like the title implies) and act as if Tim Connelly almost made a bad move and was saved by a smarter head coach. Or you can choose to look at it as a strength, Connelly floated an idea and was wise enough to listen to those around him (the Head Coach being an important one) and take their advice.

Some of the best decisions are the moves you choose not to make, which is sort of what the Wolves are faced with this offseason.

I thought they started to build decent chemistry all things considered by the end of the year. It's tough to build chemistry with so many key pieces to the starting units/bench missing time throughout the year AND trying to adapt to a style that is not the norm (players and people are creatures of habit).

That being said, sure we could have kept some chemistry in the short term by keeping Vando, Beas, and PatBev... but had we run it back I think we'd have the same questions this offseason that we had last offseason.

Is Vando someone we can pair with KAT due to the fact that teams will double KAT due to Vando's lack of lob threat/offensive game?
Is PatBev getting too old to make a major impact on the floor?
Is Beasley worth having as a volume shooter on the bench when he has such long streaks of cold shooting AND plays no defense?

So had we kept them, we would have delayed the inevitable imo, and still would have had to make some moves this offseason (especially if they had missed the playoffs without KAT, which I think is likely without Gobert/Anderson).

I think what the trade was meant was looking at longterm chemistry and mostly making sure that the floor on this team was high enough that our future (Ant/Jaden) played in as many meaningful games as possible early in their careers.

Also, keep in mind that KAT was coming off an All-NBA season and probably his best year ever as a pro last offseason, so there was also an incentive to raise that floor to take advantage of KAT's prime (and reward him for his patience over the years with a franchise that lacked any stability).

If they don't make any massive KAT/Gobert moves this offseason, I think next year's team is going to look much more in sync with one another and will come out of the gates with a chip on their shoulder. 4 of our 5 starters were either sh*t on constantly this last season or snubbed (Ant should have made the All-Star game without being a replacement, and Jaden should have been All-Defense). With 4 of the 5 starters having something to prove (and the other starter being a Pro among Pros) I look forward to a revenge season from this Wolves roster.

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