2023 NBA Draft Thread

[fatlever]

To be fair, Scoot is objectively a cooler name than Brandon.

[SWedd523]

To be fair, Scoot is objectively a cooler name than Brandon.

Amen is the coolest of the three and like 40% why I like him lol

[JDR720]

Gradey Dick.

[wilson115]

Older article from Dean but really sold on what he's saying here. Tracks with what Coach Mike's saying and what I look for in draft prospects in general.

https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/is-jordan-hawkins-the-next-elite

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[Trey24]

my understanding is it might be a little closer to John Wall vs Khris Middleton

Still going John Wall every time.

What about Paul George vs Collin Sexton? Who you taking?

See how pointless it is to assign random players on either end of the spectrum.

from the Scoot thread

Anfernee Simons is 23 yrs old averaging 21 ppg, 4 assists, a knockdown shooter who can also create his own shot and does so efficiently 55% efg% over last two years and yet teams aren't dying to go get him if he was available.

but Jalen Williams is 22 yrs old and averaged 21 ppg for 15 games and 4.5 apg and we are whispering he might be worth the 2nd pick.

That is how much the NBA values wings over small guards.

Simons = small guard / Scoot = Small guard / Williams = wing / Miller = wing / Simons < Williams / Scoot < Miller

How many of them have the best body pound for pound in the NBA with a +8 inch wingspan?

[JMAC3]

What about Paul George vs Collin Sexton? Who you taking?

See how pointless it is to assign random players on either end of the spectrum.

from the Scoot thread

Anfernee Simons is 23 yrs old averaging 21 ppg, 4 assists, a knockdown shooter who can also create his own shot and does so efficiently 55% efg% over last two years and yet teams aren't dying to go get him if he was available.

but Jalen Williams is 22 yrs old and averaged 21 ppg for 15 games and 4.5 apg and we are whispering he might be worth the 2nd pick.

That is how much the NBA values wings over small guards.

Simons = small guard / Scoot = Small guard / Williams = wing / Miller = wing / Simons < Williams / Scoot < Miller

How many of them have the best body pound for pound in the NBA with a +8 inch wingspan?

Scoot is 6'2'' with 6'9'' wingspan, that is good wingspan no doubt, but not completely unheard of.

Dame is 6'2'' with a6'8'' wingspan and young Dame had crazy bounce and a much better shooter. Poor defender despite the physical tools.
Rozier is 6'2'' with a 6'8'' wingspan and a much better outside shooter.
Schroder is 6'1 with a 6'8'' wingspan
Jordan Clarkson is 6'3 with 6'8 wingspan
Cam Payne is 6-1 with 6'7'' wingspan
DLo is 6'3 with 6'10 wingspan
Wade Baldwin was 6'2'' with 6'11 wingspan
Frank Jackson was 6'2 with 6'8 wingspan
Sexton is 6' with 6'7 wingspan
Simons 6'2 with 6'9 wingspan
Bones is 6'2 with 6'9 wingspan

Side Notes
Theo is 6'4 without shoes and 6'9 wingspan. Good for him. Didn't know he was so big.
JT Thor is 6'8.5 with no shoes and 7'3.5 wingspan.
Pj Washington has 7'2 wingspan
Miles has 6'9 wingspan
Bouknight has 6'8 wingspan

[JMAC3]

The rumors that we might trade down are starting to get a bit too loud for my liking.

Barlowe put it on his blog and then KOC discussed on his show with J Kyle Mann.

[MPM]

The rumors that we might trade down are starting to get a bit too loud for my liking.

Barlowe put it on his blog and then KOC discussed on his show with J Kyle Mann.

Indulged in a bit of lunchtime nerdery. The #2 has been traded 6 times on draft day since 1947 - so about an 8% chance on any given year with frequency increasing in the 2000's. Not my doing - just asked Bard. Here are the trades:

1974: The Phoenix Suns traded the rights to Ernie DiGregorio to the Boston Celtics for the rights to Paul Westphal.
1976: The Phoenix Suns traded the rights to Jamaal Wilkes to the Golden State Warriors for the rights to Clifford Ray.
2006: The Chicago Bulls traded the rights to LaMarcus Aldridge to the Portland Trail Blazers for the rights to Tyrus Thomas.
2017: The Philadelphia 76ers traded the rights to Markelle Fultz to the Boston Celtics for the rights to Jayson Tatum.
2020: The Golden State Warriors traded the rights to James Wiseman to the Detroit Pistons in a three-team trade with the Atlanta Hawks.
2022: The Sacramento Kings traded the rights to Keegan Murray to the Detroit Pistons for the rights to Jaden Ivey.

[SWedd523]

You sure about the 2020 and 22 ones?

[MPM]

You sure about the 2020 and 22 ones?

Eh...I only listen to my AI overlord and report its truth to the masses. Bard is still wonky as can be.

[MPM]

You sure about the 2020 and 22 ones?

Eh...I only listen to my AI overlord and report to the masses. Bard is still wonky as can be.

EDIT - yeah, those two are obviously wrong. Now I'm not sure of anything. So...#2 trade on draft day is pretty dang infrequent.

[LofJ]

Bob Myers explaining why players that aren't good at multiple things can't hack it in the playoffs.

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[KingCat]

Bob Myers explaining why players that aren't good at multiple things can't hack it in the playoffs.

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This is exactly why I find taking a guy purely for being a good shooter at such a high pick makes zero sense.

[fatlever]

i dont see any indication that either of our targets project to be one-dimensional.

i see it more as being able to provide value on both ends of the floor. if anything both melo and mark could get easily targeted in a series. melo in the 4th q of that lakers nugz series would have been targeted to switch on the bron pretty much every play.

[KingCat]

I personally don't yet see a guarantee that Miller will be more than a spot up shooter in the pro leagues.


Looking back at tape, his first step and athletics are worse than his high ceiling comparison Tatum/PG13. NBA players are gonna have a fun time closing in on him and taking advantage of his low dip jumpshot and likely inability to dribble past defenders.

The Harrison Barnes comparisons are feeling more and more appt to me .

[JMAC3]

I personally don't yet see a guarantee that Miller will be more than a spot up shooter in the pro leagues.


Looking back at tape, his first step and athletics are worse than his high ceiling comparison Tatum/PG13. NBA players are gonna have a fun time closing in on him and taking advantage of his low dip jumpshot and likely inability to dribble past defenders.

The Harrison Barnes comparisons are feeling more and more appt to me .

Harrison Barnes had no handle at all college, dude still moves around the court like a robot.
Miller has much more shake to his game.

[fatlever]

I personally don't yet see a guarantee that Miller will be more than a spot up shooter in the pro leagues.


Looking back at tape, his first step and athletics are worse than his high ceiling comparison Tatum/PG13. NBA players are gonna have a fun time closing in on him and taking advantage of his low dip jumpshot and likely inability to dribble past defenders.

The Harrison Barnes comparisons are feeling more and more appt to me .

barnes couldnt dribble in anything but a straight line. barnes, rudy gay, marvin all had that trait. all those dudes still have had long careers as solid 3/d role players. those 3 did have fantastic bball iq/leadership qualities and were by all accounts super high character dudes. miller appears to have more natural ball handling/shot creation/passing skills that those 3. if miller fails to reach a decent comp it will be because a) his 3pt shooting was overstated b) his character bball iq are lacking c) he cant add strength d) cant finish in traffic

[JMAC3]

I personally don't yet see a guarantee that Miller will be more than a spot up shooter in the pro leagues.


Looking back at tape, his first step and athletics are worse than his high ceiling comparison Tatum/PG13. NBA players are gonna have a fun time closing in on him and taking advantage of his low dip jumpshot and likely inability to dribble past defenders.

The Harrison Barnes comparisons are feeling more and more appt to me .

barnes couldnt dribble in anything but a straight line. barnes, rudy gay, marvin all had that trait. all those dudes still have had long careers as solid 3/d role players. those 3 did have fantastic bball iq/leadership qualities and were by all accounts super high character dudes. miller appears to have more natural ball handling/shot creation/passing skills that those 3. if miller fails to reach a decent comp it will be because a) his 3pt shooting was overstated b) his character bball iq are lacking c) he cant add strength d) cant finish in traffic

Miller ability to manipulate a defense and find guys for wide open layups or corner threes off the bounce with one handed left hand passes is stuff that guys that are 3-4 years into the league are struggling with. He has also flashed his ability to get his own shot off of 4-5 dribbles whether that is to rim, pullup, stepback. HB still basically is a jab step and shot guy.

[yasuhara2241]

I am sure that this has been mentioned a few times but there is a big difference between the high school 3pt line and the pro 3 pt line. It isn't like going HS to College to NBA. Each of those lines get further out. Scoot had to take a huge leap in 2 years. Look back at the kids who went from HS to the NBA. They had horrid 3 pt percentages for their first few years. It takes time to learn this skill. Scoots midrange should give you some hope. Miller's negative is getting separation off the dribble. How many players can learn this and get more explosive?

[Braggins]

I think they'll seriously regret passing on Scoot. Miller was one of my favorite prospects this season and I watched a lot of his games. I don't think Miller is going to be disappointing as a player, but there is a clear difference between him and Scoot imo.

Scoot is an elite athlete with elite intangibles, high skill level, and high IQ/feel. He averaged roughly 21/6/8 per75 on 55% playing against better competition than any of the NCAA guys (his production wasn't mediocre, it was straight up good). He had a 2/1 assist/tov ratio as a 19 year old lead guard for a disadvantaged team going against borderline NBA players. He had the best high end flashes of anyone besides Wemby.

Physical freaks with advanced skillsets and IQ at age 19 are pretty much the exact type of prospects you want these high draft picks for. I think it will be apparent pretty quickly who the better prospect is once people see them both playing against the same level of competition. I think Scoot will immediately completely change the trajectory of the team.