How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis?

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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#21 » by eminence » Wed May 24, 2023 4:58 am

tsherkin wrote:I can't imagine a version of Scottie I'd want over Anthony Davis.

You can make an argument based on health/availability concerns, but when he's on the court, Davis is much better than Pippen ever was. He had his issues in the Denver series, but I mean, it's not like Pippen didn't have his own problems.


Even when he’s on the court AD has long long stretches where he doesn’t play up to the superstar label.

See the entire ‘21 and ‘22 seasons. Can probably throw in ‘16 as behind Pippens best as well.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#22 » by rk2023 » Wed May 24, 2023 5:30 am

I’d take 2015 and 2018-20 Davis over any Pippen.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#23 » by tsherkin » Wed May 24, 2023 8:55 pm

eminence wrote:Even when he’s on the court AD has long long stretches where he doesn’t play up to the superstar label.

See the entire ‘21 and ‘22 seasons. Can probably throw in ‘16 as behind Pippens best as well.


I'd take 16, 21 and 22 ahead of Pippen at his best, personally, even if I happen to agree that AD doesn't play up to the superstar label at times. He doesn't have to, though, since Pippen was never at that level even in his very best seasons.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#24 » by Matt15 » Wed May 24, 2023 10:14 pm

None. Davis at his best reached a level that’s closer to Peak KG/D-Rob than Pippen.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#25 » by TheGOATRises007 » Wed May 24, 2023 11:22 pm

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TheGOATRises007 wrote:I'd pick 94 and 95 Pippen over 21 and 22 Davis.

But that's it.

What about 1992?


Arguable over 21 and 22 Davis as well.

I think AD is clearly a tier(or even 2) above Pippen as a player, but those 2 seasons, I can't discount the games he missed.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#26 » by TheGOATRises007 » Wed May 24, 2023 11:24 pm

rk2023 wrote:I’d take 2015 and 2018-20 Davis over any Pippen.


Even 23 Davis is better than any version of Pippen.

His offense has ups and downs, but it's still more productive than Pippen and his defense is more impactful than Pippen's was too.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#27 » by rk2023 » Thu May 25, 2023 1:05 am

TheGOATRises007 wrote:
rk2023 wrote:I’d take 2015 and 2018-20 Davis over any Pippen.


Even 23 Davis is better than any version of Pippen.

His offense has ups and downs, but it's still more productive than Pippen and his defense is more impactful than Pippen's was too.


I think his high end for certain is and agree with the defensive floor raising part for sure. I’m probably lower due to the offensive variance.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#28 » by VanWest82 » Thu May 25, 2023 1:37 am

I’m surprised by the level-headedness of these takes. I fully expected some impassioned arguments for Pippen while killing AD in the process. It feels like everywhere that happens on the PC board, but in here it’s measured.

Why it’s interesting is because these guys are so similar even though their games aren’t. Scottie was more durable and AD more talented but they were both defensive aces who worked best as #2 on offense. Both guys routinely disappeared in important moments and games. Philosophically, they’re the same even though AD’s peak was much higher.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#29 » by xinxin » Thu May 25, 2023 1:45 am

Zero.

AD , talent wise, is supposed to be a top dog. But health and probably mental barriers prevent him from doing so.

But we’ve seen stretches where he’s easily an MVP type of player.

Pippen was never that. But he was a perfect complement to MJ though.


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Post#30 » by migya » Thu May 25, 2023 7:51 am

tsherkin wrote:
eminence wrote:Even when he’s on the court AD has long long stretches where he doesn’t play up to the superstar label.

See the entire ‘21 and ‘22 seasons. Can probably throw in ‘16 as behind Pippens best as well.


I'd take 16, 21 and 22 ahead of Pippen at his best, personally, even if I happen to agree that AD doesn't play up to the superstar label at times. He doesn't have to, though, since Pippen was never at that level even in his very best seasons.



!994 Pippen carries that Bulls team. He didn't score a ton, though quite well for that lower scoring season, but was a star in everything else.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#31 » by NbaAllDay » Thu May 25, 2023 8:14 am

ADs peak is better but I'd take Pippen over any 3 year+ stretch without question.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#32 » by tsherkin » Thu May 25, 2023 4:55 pm

migya wrote:!994 Pippen carries that Bulls team. He didn't score a ton, though quite well for that lower scoring season, but was a star in everything else.


A star, absolutely. An excellent player.

All I said is that I don't consider him to have ever been a superstar.
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Post#33 » by OhayoKD » Thu May 25, 2023 7:31 pm

2020 AD is clear, maybe 2018 too, rest comes down to weighting talent vs durability(2023 as well too probably). Pippen not being a superstar is pretty wild though. He's pretty comfortably on the level of Barkley or Ewing types. People are ither fixating too much on offense or scoring or not applying a consistent standard. Leading a 53-win srs team after losing your best player as you're demanding a trade, leading a contender as the clear best player(58-win pace full season, 55-win during the regular season and elevate during the playoffs), and being the second best player on an all-time dynasty(russell's celtics and kd-warriors are the only clearly more dominant teams) is a track record that stacks up rather easily next to the likes of Barkley or Durant.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#34 » by OhayoKD » Thu May 25, 2023 7:38 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:Scottie Pippen has worse stats and is obviously a worse player but is some how more consistent than Anthony Davis. Okay...that makes no sense.

I know it's easy to get caught up in narratives but consistency is literally what makes you good. That's why we look at averages...

I mean that is just flat out ESPN stuff.

He's more consistent in that he doesn't get injured, otherwise yeah, Davis better. However you weigh ad's scoring vs pippen's playmaking and offense-running, the defensive chasm should settle things. There's probably an argument to be made if you went offense-only, but Davis is a big and Pippen is not.
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Re: How many seasons does Scottie Pippen have over Prime Anthony Davis? 

Post#35 » by Ein Sof » Thu May 25, 2023 8:25 pm

Most of them.
He turned a 40-win team into a 50-win one and then into a dynasty. Won on multiple different teams. Great leader and unreal defender.

Pippen is easily a top 10 player of all-time.

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