Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[31to6]

I'd rather get Siakam who's more durable and can play up to 5.

Same. If TOR would go for it, switch it up. They can keep 13 at that point.

EDIT: Salary makes that version harder. Didn't realize Pascal made so much more than OG. Definitely doable tho with tweaks.

Per bball ref this year Siakam played 57% of his minutes at Center. Last season was 37%. Don’t know how he fared there, but that’s where I want to put the eggs in general.

[djFan71]

Brown and gallo to portland

#3 and 35 to Toronto

Og, simons and #13 to Boston

Simons/Brogdon
Smart/white
Tatum/#13
OG/GrantW
Timelord/Horford

Thats a ridiculous team, imo.
2 robins and 2 batmans and a timelord.

I kinda like that. It's a lot of salary for POR to absorb even with just Brown, so we probably keep Gallo. And 3 & Simons is a lot for Brown, so I think they get 13, but give us 23.
OG still isn't #3 worthy even with 13 coming back, but better. We can probably just keep 35.
TOR needs to eat salary, so give them Brogdon.


BOS: OG, Simons, Thad, 23 for Brown, Brogdon
POR: Brown, 13 for 3, Simons, 23
TOR: 3, Brogdon for OG, Thad, 13


Smart/JD
Simons/White
OG/Hauser
Tatum/Grant/Gallo/Thad
Rob/Al/Muscala
23, 35, PP


EDIT: Maybe TOR sends us a future first too? Not sure. I feel like 3 & Brogdon is a little too good. OR we get 13 and they send POR a future instead and keep 23.

Brogdon is 6moty.

Guve them gallo and or pritchard. Keep brogs

Kills us salary wise.
EDIT: And you can't play all 4 of Smart, White, Simons, Brogdon.

[165bows]

I'd rather get Siakam who's more durable and can play up to 5.

Same. If TOR would go for it, switch it up. They can keep 13 at that point.

EDIT: Salary makes that version harder. Didn't realize Pascal made so much more than OG. Definitely doable tho with tweaks.

Per bball ref this year Siakam played 57% of his minutes at Center. Last season was 37%. Don’t know how he fared there, but that’s where I want to put the eggs in general.

I think that’s part of why Toronto sucked this year. Can’t play a 6’8” forward at center and still have a defense.

[BK_2020]

Same. If TOR would go for it, switch it up. They can keep 13 at that point.

EDIT: Salary makes that version harder. Didn't realize Pascal made so much more than OG. Definitely doable tho with tweaks.

Per bball ref this year Siakam played 57% of his minutes at Center. Last season was 37%. Don’t know how he fared there, but that’s where I want to put the eggs in general.

I think that’s part of why Toronto sucked this year. Can’t play a 6’8” forward at center and still have a defense.

Their defense was good though

[165bows]

Per bball ref this year Siakam played 57% of his minutes at Center. Last season was 37%. Don’t know how he fared there, but that’s where I want to put the eggs in general.

I think that’s part of why Toronto sucked this year. Can’t play a 6’8” forward at center and still have a defense.

Their defense was good though

Avg really.

[shackles10]

Did you read that on a bathroom stall somewhere?

Right along the lines of, “Here I sit all broken hearted… came to **** but only farted.” Lol

That's an old and common one, as is the one that starts "Some come here to sit and think ..."

One I've only heard of once, told to me by somebody who saw it in a girls restroom, is:

Mary had a little sheep
With the sheep she went to sleep
The sheep turned out to be a ram
And Mary had a little lamb.


My first exposure to each of those was >50 years ago.

“Those who write upon these walls
Roll their **** into little balls”

With a comeback of…
“Those who read these words of wit
Eat those little balls of ****”

[Hal14]

Same. If TOR would go for it, switch it up. They can keep 13 at that point.

EDIT: Salary makes that version harder. Didn't realize Pascal made so much more than OG. Definitely doable tho with tweaks.

Per bball ref this year Siakam played 57% of his minutes at Center. Last season was 37%. Don’t know how he fared there, but that’s where I want to put the eggs in general.

I think that’s part of why Toronto sucked this year. Can’t play a 6’8” forward at center and still have a defense.

At the draft combine Siakam measured 6'9.5", with a 7'3.25" wingspan. Good size for a small ball 5. Not a full-time 5, though..

[BK_2020]

Per bball ref this year Siakam played 57% of his minutes at Center. Last season was 37%. Don’t know how he fared there, but that’s where I want to put the eggs in general.

I think that’s part of why Toronto sucked this year. Can’t play a 6’8” forward at center and still have a defense.

At the draft combine Siakam measured 6'9.5", with a 7'3.25" wingspan. Good size for a small ball 5. Not a full-time 5, though..

So he's taller than Rob or Horford or Bam.

[Hal14]

I think that’s part of why Toronto sucked this year. Can’t play a 6’8” forward at center and still have a defense.

At the draft combine Siakam measured 6'9.5", with a 7'3.25" wingspan. Good size for a small ball 5. Not a full-time 5, though..

So he's taller than Rob or Horford or Bam.

About the same height as those guys - maybe a tiny bit taller.

But those other guys are also have more weight on them, like 10+ lbs more each. Siakam's rebound % and blocks % aren't really what you would want from your full-time 5, either. Which is why he's more of a 4.

[BK_2020]

Yeah I don't think he should be full time 5 either. Ideally he's full time 4 and plays the 5 in a pinch, letting Tatum play the 3 most of the time. Horford and Rob play ~24 minutes each.
Front court of Tatum, Siakam and Rob would have some serious length and rim protection.

[playa-hater]

Sorry and sad to say this thread needs to be closed. Thanks to the "backs against the wall" Celtic team we are seeing now, Boston won't make a damn change.

except for PP I hope..

[165bows]

At the draft combine Siakam measured 6'9.5", with a 7'3.25" wingspan. Good size for a small ball 5. Not a full-time 5, though..

So he's taller than Rob or Horford or Bam.

About the same height as those guys - maybe a tiny bit taller.

But those other guys are also have more weight on them, like 10+ lbs more each. Siakam's rebound % and blocks % aren't really what you would want from your full-time 5, either. Which is why he's more of a 4.

I'd be curious to go back and see his reach. He strikes me as a real long neck guy, whereas Rob I think is low-key one of the "head screwed directly to shoulders" players.

And agree, Siakam is not a guy like Horford or KG who is a big time physical space eater despite not being that thick. Seems more than average in being able to get pushed around.

[BK_2020]

So he's taller than Rob or Horford or Bam.

About the same height as those guys - maybe a tiny bit taller.

But those other guys are also have more weight on them, like 10+ lbs more each. Siakam's rebound % and blocks % aren't really what you would want from your full-time 5, either. Which is why he's more of a 4.

I'd be curious to go back and see his reach. He strikes me as a real long neck guy, whereas Rob I think is low-key one of the "head screwed directly to shoulders" players.

And agree, Siakam is not a guy like Horford or KG who is a big time physical space eater despite not being that thick. Seems more than average in being able to get pushed around.

Rob's standing reach is crazy long. 9'4. Siakam is at "just" 8'11 1/2, a half inch less than Bam and 2 inches more than Poeltl. Siakam's not gonna give you mass like Poeltl or Horford, but as a 4 he's got elite size.

[hugepatsfan]

Siakam is just such a fascinating player for this team. And I truly believe he can be had in a one for one swap of Brown.

POR seems very inclined to trade #3/Simons for a all star SF. Brown is by all accounts coveted in that role. We all go back and forth on how good he is or isn't on here, but this deal seems to be something they'd jump at.

TOR is at a crossroads. OG and Siakam are expiring. FVV, Poeltl and potentially Gary Trent Jr. are FAs this year. There are some questions of how Scottie Barnes fits with that group (particularly Siakam), and how expensive it would be to keep together. I find it hard to believe they would pass on #3/Simons for Siakam. It just seems like something they couldn't pass up.

POR could keep Siakam but Brown fits the roster better with Jerami Grant projected to re-sign. A 3 team deal is right there for the taking if we want it, IMO

POR gives: #3, Simons
POR gets: Brown

TOR gives: Siakam
TOR gets: #3, Simons

BOS gives: Brown
BOS gets: Siakam

I actually think TOR owes POR #13 because I have Brown=Siakam=#3 and Simons=#13. It might not be a price they want to pay. Who knows, we might even be able to get #13 out of it for ourselves because I think the other sides would be strongly inclined to do the deal still. Maybe we can expand it to keep Simons for ourselves with someone like Brogdon going out. There are possible add-ons/adjustments. But the bare bones of us sending out Brown for Siakam seems right there for the taking if we want it, IMO.

Smart / Brogdon / Pritchard
White
Tatum / Hauser
Siakam / Grant if re-signed / Gallo / Champagnie
Horford / RWilliams / Kornet

I'm sticking with Horford over Rob in the starting lineup for spacing but could easily switch. Feels like a few potential lineup tweaks you could make after...

With the added playmaking of Siakam over Brown, I think it might make sense to swap one of Smart or White out for more of an off ball shooter, though that's not an issue if White proves this past year is a consistent thing to expect.

If the team wanted to commit to bigger lineups, you could look to add another rotation center into the mix and use Horford more at PF than C. Maybe Rob at C for 24 minutes, the new guy for 15. Horford takes the rest of the minutes there and backs up Siakam at the 4. Means Tatum is a SF full time basically. Come playoff time maybe you cut that new guy out of the rotation. Means to get that guy would be trading the salary of Gallo/Pritchard/Kornet and/or a potential Grant S&T (since he's forced out in this scenario).

[Hal14]

The 3 guys I would trade JB for, where there's actually a realistic chance that a deal could get done (in no particular order)

-Trae
-Siakam
-Embiid

Read on Twitter

[hugepatsfan]

*Ducks*

Am I crazy for not being the biggest advocate for Embiid? I kind of feel like his game is detrimental to those around him. A big, plodding center who likes to slow the game down and operate in the paint doesn't feel conducive to everyone else getting their games going.

I think if Embiid is ever going to win he's going to need to turn down his individual scoring output and play a style that's more free flowing and lets everyone else eat.

[Hal14]

*Ducks*

Am I crazy for not being the biggest advocate for Embiid? I kind of feel like his game is detrimental to those around him. A big, plodding center who likes to slow the game down and operate in the paint doesn't feel conducive to everyone else getting their games going.

I think if Embiid is ever going to win he's going to need to turn down his individual scoring output and play a style that's more free flowing and lets everyone else eat.

It would work. You put 2 of the top 5 players on the planet on the same team, with both of them being all-NBA caliber defenders, 1 of them coming off an MVP season, the other coming off back to back all-NBA 1st team seasons - it's a championship.

Embiid works out of the high post and mid post quite a bit - even facing up from 3 quite a bit and either shooting it or taking it to the rim. It's not like he's always in the low post. And he's a pretty good passer for a big man.

They could potentially be the 2 best players in the league next season. We'd be HEAVY favorites.

I doubt that Morey does it though - he's not gonna give us Embiid and allow us to pair Tatum and Embiid together. Or is he?

[31to6]

*Ducks*

Am I crazy for not being the biggest advocate for Embiid? I kind of feel like his game is detrimental to those around him. A big, plodding center who likes to slow the game down and operate in the paint doesn't feel conducive to everyone else getting their games going.

I think if Embiid is ever going to win he's going to need to turn down his individual scoring output and play a style that's more free flowing and lets everyone else eat.

It would work. You put 2 of the top 5 players on the planet on the same team, with both of them being all-NBA caliber defenders, 1 of them coming off an MVP season, the other coming off back to back all-NBA 1st team seasons - it's a championship.

Embiid works out of the high post and mid post quite a bit - even facing up from 3 quite a bit and either shooting it or taking it to the rim. It's not like he's always in the low post. And he's a pretty good passer for a big man.

They could potentially be the 2 best players in the league next season.

I doubt that Morey does it though - he's not gonna give us Embiid and allow us to pair Tatum and Embiid together. Or is he?

I wouldn't want to root for Embiid, I'm right there with you PatsFan. He's the rival, and I don't particularly like his game now, much less how it might develop as he ages past 30.

All 10000% moot because much as I love Jaylen, you don't trade a 29-year-old reigning MVP for him.

[Larry_Russell]

Siakam is just such a fascinating player for this team. And I truly believe he can be had in a one for one swap of Brown.

POR seems very inclined to trade #3/Simons for a all star SF. Brown is by all accounts coveted in that role. We all go back and forth on how good he is or isn't on here, but this deal seems to be something they'd jump at.

TOR is at a crossroads. OG and Siakam are expiring. FVV, Poeltl and potentially Gary Trent Jr. are FAs this year. There are some questions of how Scottie Barnes fits with that group (particularly Siakam), and how expensive it would be to keep together. I find it hard to believe they would pass on #3/Simons for Siakam. It just seems like something they couldn't pass up.

POR could keep Siakam but Brown fits the roster better with Jerami Grant projected to re-sign. A 3 team deal is right there for the taking if we want it, IMO

POR gives: #3, Simons
POR gets: Brown

TOR gives: Siakam
TOR gets: #3, Simons

BOS gives: Brown
BOS gets: Siakam

I actually think TOR owes POR #13 because I have Brown=Siakam=#3 and Simons=#13. It might not be a price they want to pay. Who knows, we might even be able to get #13 out of it for ourselves because I think the other sides would be strongly inclined to do the deal still. Maybe we can expand it to keep Simons for ourselves with someone like Brogdon going out. There are possible add-ons/adjustments. But the bare bones of us sending out Brown for Siakam seems right there for the taking if we want it, IMO.

Smart / Brogdon / Pritchard
White
Tatum / Hauser
Siakam / Grant if re-signed / Gallo / Champagnie
Horford / RWilliams / Kornet

I'm sticking with Horford over Rob in the starting lineup for spacing but could easily switch. Feels like a few potential lineup tweaks you could make after...

With the added playmaking of Siakam over Brown, I think it might make sense to swap one of Smart or White out for more of an off ball shooter, though that's not an issue if White proves this past year is a consistent thing to expect.

If the team wanted to commit to bigger lineups, you could look to add another rotation center into the mix and use Horford more at PF than C. Maybe Rob at C for 24 minutes, the new guy for 15. Horford takes the rest of the minutes there and backs up Siakam at the 4. Means Tatum is a SF full time basically. Come playoff time maybe you cut that new guy out of the rotation. Means to get that guy would be trading the salary of Gallo/Pritchard/Kornet and/or a potential Grant S&T (since he's forced out in this scenario).

I truly believe that #3 on its own is enough for Siakam and that Simons should come to boston. If Simons goest to Toronto then boston needs more asset (perhaps #13 covers the gap)

Portland-Brown
Toronto-#3, Simons
Boston-Siakam, #13

Draft Whitehead at 13 and nab UFA Terrance Davis (poised for a breakout, imo)who should come in for less than the MLE imo.
If not Davis other notable UFAs that can play SG
Josh Richardson
Caris Levert
Lonnie Wlker 4
Milton
Troy Brown Jr
Javonte Green
Dillon Brooks
Oubre Jr
Ross

Move Pritchard, Gallo and Muscala, imo, for a little salary savings to get our FAs or just trade for that wing player.


Smart/Brogdon/Davidson
White/Whitehead or pick #13/Begarin
Tatum/Free Agent or Trade/Hauser
Siakam/Grant/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

[hugepatsfan]

Siakam is just such a fascinating player for this team. And I truly believe he can be had in a one for one swap of Brown.

POR seems very inclined to trade #3/Simons for a all star SF. Brown is by all accounts coveted in that role. We all go back and forth on how good he is or isn't on here, but this deal seems to be something they'd jump at.

TOR is at a crossroads. OG and Siakam are expiring. FVV, Poeltl and potentially Gary Trent Jr. are FAs this year. There are some questions of how Scottie Barnes fits with that group (particularly Siakam), and how expensive it would be to keep together. I find it hard to believe they would pass on #3/Simons for Siakam. It just seems like something they couldn't pass up.

POR could keep Siakam but Brown fits the roster better with Jerami Grant projected to re-sign. A 3 team deal is right there for the taking if we want it, IMO

POR gives: #3, Simons
POR gets: Brown

TOR gives: Siakam
TOR gets: #3, Simons

BOS gives: Brown
BOS gets: Siakam

I actually think TOR owes POR #13 because I have Brown=Siakam=#3 and Simons=#13. It might not be a price they want to pay. Who knows, we might even be able to get #13 out of it for ourselves because I think the other sides would be strongly inclined to do the deal still. Maybe we can expand it to keep Simons for ourselves with someone like Brogdon going out. There are possible add-ons/adjustments. But the bare bones of us sending out Brown for Siakam seems right there for the taking if we want it, IMO.

Smart / Brogdon / Pritchard
White
Tatum / Hauser
Siakam / Grant if re-signed / Gallo / Champagnie
Horford / RWilliams / Kornet

I'm sticking with Horford over Rob in the starting lineup for spacing but could easily switch. Feels like a few potential lineup tweaks you could make after...

With the added playmaking of Siakam over Brown, I think it might make sense to swap one of Smart or White out for more of an off ball shooter, though that's not an issue if White proves this past year is a consistent thing to expect.

If the team wanted to commit to bigger lineups, you could look to add another rotation center into the mix and use Horford more at PF than C. Maybe Rob at C for 24 minutes, the new guy for 15. Horford takes the rest of the minutes there and backs up Siakam at the 4. Means Tatum is a SF full time basically. Come playoff time maybe you cut that new guy out of the rotation. Means to get that guy would be trading the salary of Gallo/Pritchard/Kornet and/or a potential Grant S&T (since he's forced out in this scenario).

I truly believe that #3 on its own is enough for Siakam and that Simons should come to boston. If Simons goest to Toronto then boston needs more asset (perhaps #13 covers the gap)

Portland-Brown
Toronto-#3, Simons
Boston-Siakam, #13

Draft Whitehead at 13 and nab UFA Terrance Davis (poised for a breakout, imo)who should come in for less than the MLE imo.
If not Davis other notable UFAs that can play SG
Josh Richardson
Caris Levert
Lonnie Wlker 4
Milton
Troy Brown Jr
Javonte Green
Dillon Brooks
Oubre Jr
Ross

Move Gallo and Muscala, imo, for a little salary savings to get our FAs.


Smart/Pritchard/Davidson
White/Davis/Begarin
Tatum/Free Agent/Hauser
Siakam/Grant/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

I think it's pretty clean in terms of trade value... Brown = Siakam = #3. And then Simons = #13. I just don't see why BOS would be entitled to more value than Siakam for Brown. And on the POR side, feels like if #3 = Brown then they should get paid for Simons.

You're probably right though that push comes to shove that POR would be willing to do #3/Simons for just Brown. So maybe BOS can squeeze out some extra value. But seems fair enough to me without any extra.