BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

Post #161 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Thu May 25, 2023 3:28 am

KingCat wrote:I really don't dislike him as a prospect. My biggest thing is we already have enough personality hazards on this team (Miles incident last summer, LaMelo running red lights just outside of Spectrum Center). Adding another youngster with troubled history could be disastrous.

If we do end up bringing in Miller, I would hope we just let Miles walk. Miles is not a great enough of a player to take such risk on. Letting him go will save money, open up room for Miller, and probably save fans and front office alike some sanity.

Yeah, lets just let a good asset who will take an unders contract walk out the door for no compensation so we can feel good about ourselves.

Lucky we are in such a strong position to be able to just throw assets away.

KingCat · Post #162 » by **KingCat** » Thu May 25, 2023 3:38 am

luciano-davidwesley wrote:
KingCat wrote:I really don't dislike him as a prospect. My biggest thing is we already have enough personality hazards on this team (Miles incident last summer, LaMelo running red lights just outside of Spectrum Center). Adding another youngster with troubled history could be disastrous.

If we do end up bringing in Miller, I would hope we just let Miles walk. Miles is not a great enough of a player to take such risk on. Letting him go will save money, open up room for Miller, and probably save fans and front office alike some sanity.

Yeah, lets just let a good asset who will take an unders contract walk out the door for no compensation so we can feel good about ourselves.

Lucky we are in such a strong position to be able to just throw assets away.

OK accuse me of wanting to feel good about myself for not wanting to pay a wife beater. Very cool. I'm guessing you were also a fan of the Portland Jailblazers.

Miles isn't some generational player. 20ppg scorers with meh defense aren't that hard to come by in today's inflated scoring league. We already got like 4 of them on our roster lol. He isn't Giannis.

SWedd523 · Post #163 » by **SWedd523** » Thu May 25, 2023 3:44 am

stop gaslighting each other folks

He's both a **** bird and a piece we can't afford to just let walk away for nothing

ideally he signs for cheap, rehabs his image and game, and then we trade him for value

KingCat · Post #164 » by **KingCat** » Thu May 25, 2023 3:48 am

SWedd523 wrote:stop gaslighting each other folks

He's both a **** bird and a piece we can't afford to just let walk away for nothing

ideally he signs for cheap, rehabs his image and game, and then we trade him for value

I can get behind this

Liver_Pooty · Post #165 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu May 25, 2023 4:46 am

SWedd523 wrote:stop gaslighting each other folks

He's both a **** bird and a piece we can't afford to just let walk away for nothing

ideally he signs for cheap, rehabs his image and game, and then we trade him for value

I've never understood why some fans wouldn't want him on our team, but literally every other team would scoop him up and be elated.

Just let it rip and hope he's turned his life around.

KingCat · Post #166 » by **KingCat** » Thu May 25, 2023 6:49 am

Crazy how quickly sentiment can change in a year. Time forgives all actions I suppose :lol:

BeesWax · Post #167 » by **BeesWax** » Thu May 25, 2023 10:35 am

Isn't it supposed to. Time heals all wounds is a thing still right? I don't condone what Miles did but if he is doing the right things and getting help he deserves a second chance. No reason he can't get that here where people know him and he has a support system. I mean between the two, if we are just going of what they did, I would rather have Miles then the guy who provided the murder weapon.

JMAC3 · Post #168 » by **JMAC3** » Thu May 25, 2023 2:10 pm

The team is going to do an investigation into Miller situation. From what I have read though, I feel like there is a high chance he had very little to do with the shooting itself.

Not his gun, never touched gun, wasn't involved in altercation between the two parties, is cooperating witness in case and has no other red flags in his background.

The main crime he committed was surrounding himself with bad influences, which is something most people do at some point between ages of 16-25 for a small period of time. You learn from it and move on.

Rays Pompadour · Post #169 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Thu May 25, 2023 3:10 pm

JMAC3 wrote:The team is going to do an investigation into Miller situation. From what I have read though, I feel like there is a high chance he had very little to do with the shooting itself.

Not his gun, never touched gun, wasn't involved in altercation between the two parties, is cooperating witness in case and has no other red flags in his background.

The main crime he committed was surrounding himself with bad influences, which is something most people do at some point between ages of 16-25 for a small period of time. You learn from it and move on.

Yep. I'm watching the homies.

JMAC3 · Post #170 » by **JMAC3** » Thu May 25, 2023 11:19 pm

I know the Miller game that gets talked about most is 41 vs SC,
but he also had 36 vs Gonzaga
two other 30+ games.
24 vs Mst and Izzo.
24 vs a Nba loaded team in Ark
23 in sec champ game vs a good A&M team
18 vs national champs Uconn

One thing I really like about Miller game though is he knows how to score. Even if he is having a bad game, not shooting it well. He figures out a way to put some numbers in the boxscore. He had double digits in 34/37 games.

SWedd523 · Post #171 » by **SWedd523** » Thu May 25, 2023 11:54 pm

I hate making player comparisons but I don't see anything that prevents Miller from becoming at least a Franz Wagner level guy. I'd be happy as hell with that at his "meh" outcome

wilson115 · Post #172 » by **wilson115** » Fri May 26, 2023 12:31 am

Wagner at age 19 playing for Michigan was far better at creating and taking care of the ball (3:1 ATO on 19.7% usage vs.1:1 on 22.9% for 20 y.o. Miller.) Wagner wasn't option #1 in the Michigan offense though, and Miller has better rebounding and shooting numbers. Wagner wasn't projected to come in and become a #1/#2 scoring option early, and they're saying as much about Miller's playmaking.

At The HIve posted a good stats-based take on Miller:
https://atthehive.com/2023/05/19/at-the-hives-2023-nba-draft-tiers-post-combine-update/

Liver_Pooty · Post #173 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri May 26, 2023 1:25 am

wilson115 wrote:Wagner at age 19 playing for Michigan was far better at creating and taking care of the ball (3:1 ATO on 19.7% usage vs.1:1 on 22.9% for 20 y.o. Miller.) Wagner wasn't option #1 in the Michigan offense though, and Miller has better rebounding and shooting numbers. Wagner wasn't projected to come in and become a #1/#2 scoring option early, and they're saying as much about Miller's playmaking.

At The HIve posted a good stats-based take on Miller:
https://atthehive.com/2023/05/19/at-the-hives-2023-nba-draft-tiers-post-combine-update/

I had to stop reading when I saw they had him ranked the 5th best player of this class or whatever. Like, I'm okay with either him or Scoot but that's just ridiculous.

Edit: I undoubtedly prefer Miller but I'm not going to be pissed if we take Scoot.

JMAC3 · Post #174 » by **JMAC3** » Fri May 26, 2023 2:43 pm

The more I look into Miller the more I think the "he is just a shooter, not athletic takes" are just bad.

I already posted his dunk metrics in the other thread, but here is a series of tweets that shows guys FTr in college.

Miller ended year at .329

Spoiler:

KingCat · Post #175 » by **KingCat** » Fri May 26, 2023 2:53 pm

I don't think anyone cares too much about his vertical or dunking ability. it's his first step that is killing my hype for him and limits his ceiling as a player.

Seeing him struggle to create separation vs college defenders make me think he will not be a iso scorer at the next level unless he really ups the finesse level of his game.

JMAC3 · Post #176 » by **JMAC3** » Fri May 26, 2023 2:55 pm

KingCat wrote:I don't think anyone cares too much about his vertical or dunking ability. it's his first step that is killing my hype for him and limits his ceiling as a player.

Seeing him struggle to create separation vs college defenders make me think he will not be a iso scorer at the next level unless he really ups the finesse level of his game.

Hence the free throw rate. Or does he have an awful first step and athleticism, but still near elite at drawing fouls as well?

KingCat · Post #177 » by **KingCat** » Fri May 26, 2023 3:08 pm

All this shows me is guys good enough to make it to the NBA were good at taking advantage of average college guys. What a shock.

I'm not saying he isn't NBA level. I'm saying his inability to create separation will hamper him and I hope he handling improves enough for that not to matter.

JMAC3 · Post #178 » by **JMAC3** » Fri May 26, 2023 3:49 pm

KingCat wrote:All this shows me is guys good enough to make it to the NBA were good at taking advantage of average college guys. What a shock.

I'm not saying he isn't NBA level. I'm saying his inability to create separation will hamper him and I hope he handling improves enough for that not to matter.

So where does this Kyle Anderson clone rank on your big board?

KingCat · Post #179 » by **KingCat** » Fri May 26, 2023 6:37 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
KingCat wrote:All this shows me is guys good enough to make it to the NBA were good at taking advantage of average college guys. What a shock.

I'm not saying he isn't NBA level. I'm saying his inability to create separation will hamper him and I hope he handling improves enough for that not to matter.

So where does this Kyle Anderson clone rank on your big board?

Don't worry buddy, I didn't call him Kyle Anderson. I'd say 3-5 is a good spot for him. If we were stuck with the 3rd pick, I'd say trade down with Orlando for 6+11. I think this is a pretty deep draft with a lot of talent in the lottery.

I see Miller as a guy with a high floor but low ceiling. I am certain he will be a long time rotational player in this league.

Think he will take a bit to become a full time contributor as he bulks up and adjust to NBA defenders. Don't see him being a major needle mover or running mate to Lamelo that we desperately need and dudes with his skill set have become a dime a dozen in every draft lately. I see this as our last opportunity at a top 3 pick during this era of hornets basketball, so it is important we nab a Allstar level guy.

JMAC3 · Post #180 » by **JMAC3** » Fri May 26, 2023 8:29 pm

Seems like most people are pretty content with passing on Miller because of physical abilities, even though college dunks, FTr and 2pt% all indicate that is not the case. That along with his playmaking flashes and apg #s are on the same pace as the best facilitating wings in the NBA when compared to how far along they were as Fresh/Soph in college.

His 2pt% of 48% is rather impressive, let alone how much we saw that improve throughout year. Shot 61.6% from 2 in 18 SEC games.

Jabari Smith for comparison shot sub 45% from 2 in 18 SEC games last year and 43.5% from 2 all together.