Dallas-Lakers-Bulls :: Kyrie, DeMar, DLo switch

[zimpy27]

Dallas get DeMar, Bamba
Dallas give Kyrie (SnT-42m)
Doncic, Bullock, DeMar, Kleber, Bamba
Wallace(10), THJ, Green, Bertans, Powell
Dallas get two expiring contributors that can prove their worth with Luka or clear the deck in the 2024 offseason for the Mavs in free agency.

Lakers get Kyrie(SnT-42m), Drummond
Lakers give DLo(SnT-25m), Vando, Bamba
Kyrie, Reaves, LeBron, Rui, Davis
Schröder, Lonnie, Christie, Jett(17), Drummond
Lakers land Kyrie after much mutual interest.

Bulls get DLo(SnT-25m), Vando
Bulls give DeMar, Drummond
DLo, Caruso, LaVine, Vando, Vucevic
Ball/White, Ayo, DJJ, PatWill, Simonovic
Bulls get a younger player locked in that fits the timeline between LaVine and PatWill.

[Pipp33]

I'm all for trading DeMar, buit not if it means we have to pay D-Lo $25 mil.

He's not a bad player, but he's not a step in the right direction for the Bulls, unless it's for 2 years while we blow it all up

[Apz]

think dlos number is atleast 10m too high. 3 years of that isnt worth it for vando imo

[zimpy27]

I'm all for trading DeMar, buit not if it means we have to pay D-Lo $25 mil.

He's not a bad player, but he's not a step in the right direction for the Bulls, unless it's for 2 years while we blow it all up

Vando the main prize but DLo isn't bad.
$25m is 18% of cap.
You can always make it a descending deal or you can make it start a little lower.
$25m, $23.75m, $22.5m, $21.25m
18%, 16%, 14%, 12% of cap

[Dominator83]

Sure why not. But only if D-Lo agrees to a 3 not 4 year deal

[giberish]

I'm too lazy to do the math but I feel like the Lakers are going to have a hard time staying under the apron/hard cap with Kyrie at $47M. Maybe they can keep Reeves as he's limited to MLE money for next season (if he stays with LAL). I'd expect they couldn't keep Rui as well.

[Godaddycurse]

I'm too lazy to do the math but I feel like the Lakers are going to have a hard time staying under the apron/hard cap with Kyrie at $47M. Maybe they can keep Reeves as he's limited to MLE money for next season (if he stays with LAL). I'd expect they couldn't keep Rui as well.

i have trouble seeing both lonnie and rui staying as well

Lebron/Kyrie/AD is 136M
Reaves 11M

that leaves about 23M under the apron for remaining 10 players. 17th pick is 3M, so 20M for 9 players.

[zimpy27]

I'm too lazy to do the math but I feel like the Lakers are going to have a hard time staying under the apron/hard cap with Kyrie at $47M. Maybe they can keep Reeves as he's limited to MLE money for next season (if he stays with LAL). I'd expect they couldn't keep Rui as well.

i have trouble seeing both lonnie and rui staying as well

Lebron/Kyrie/AD is 136M
Reaves 11M

that leaves about 23M under the apron for remaining 10 players. 17th pick is 3M, so 20M for 9 players.

Yeah true, I had Kyrie at 42m but even then it would be unlikely for Lonnie to be kept.

[daoneandonly]

No thanks, better to let Kyrie walk than help a rival and then take on Demar who cant defend or hit a 3

[zimpy27]

No thanks, better to let Kyrie walk than help a rival and then take on Demar who cant defend or hit a 3

Really? Dallas wouldn't want DeMar?

[jayjaysee]

Has Kyrie refused to take Dallas’ max and is planning to sign with Orlando/China if Dallas doesn’t do this?

Because I think that’s the value point where this is somewhat acceptable for Dallas. Think Demar is better than playing the leverage card too far. Not agreeing with throwing Bamba in there, would probably just rather pay Powell honestly.. But I guess that’s minor?

But getting Russell to agree to go to Chicago, getting Chicago to agree to spend their money on him..

[zimpy27]

Has Kyrie refused to take Dallas’ max and is planning to sign with Orlando/China if Dallas doesn’t do this?

Because I think that’s the value point where this is somewhat acceptable for Dallas. Think Demar is better than playing the leverage card too far. Not agreeing with throwing Bamba in there, would probably just rather pay Powell honestly.. But I guess that’s minor?

But getting Russell to agree to go to Chicago, getting Chicago to agree to spend their money on him..

Yeah I guess it would have to be?
If Kyrie does go to Lakers in FA. What do Dallas end up doing?

I think a DLo for DeMar swap is a lot more likely than Kyrie for DLo.

[jayjaysee]

Has Kyrie refused to take Dallas’ max and is planning to sign with Orlando/China if Dallas doesn’t do this?

But getting Russell to agree to go to Chicago, getting Chicago to agree to spend their money on him..

Yeah I guess it would have to be?
If Kyrie does go to Lakers in FA. What do Dallas end up doing?

I think a DLo for DeMar swap is a lot more likely than Kyrie for DLo.

Yeah, Demar on his contract is a lot more interesting than DAR on almost any contract.. But Kyrie at 46 mil is a lot more interesting than DDR.

I think the OP is a lot worse for Chicago than Dallas though.

And there’s also the possibility Dallas sacrifices 2024 cap space, stretches Bertans and can offer Grant or FVV 32-34 million?

I think cap space in 2024, not having 5 mil of dead salary and Demar is better than that.. But I think it’s an option that never really gets talked about.

Wood and Powell are only real free agents being renounced there. And Powell likely will work with the team in some way IMO.

[meekrab]

Nah I'm good without DLo on my team.

[zimpy27]

Has Kyrie refused to take Dallas’ max and is planning to sign with Orlando/China if Dallas doesn’t do this?

But getting Russell to agree to go to Chicago, getting Chicago to agree to spend their money on him..

Yeah I guess it would have to be?
If Kyrie does go to Lakers in FA. What do Dallas end up doing?

I think a DLo for DeMar swap is a lot more likely than Kyrie for DLo.

Yeah, Demar on his contract is a lot more interesting than DAR on almost any contract.. But Kyrie at 46 mil is a lot more interesting than DDR.

I think the OP is a lot worse for Chicago than Dallas though.

And there’s also the possibility Dallas sacrifices 2024 cap space, stretches Bertans and can offer Grant or FVV 32-34 million?

I think cap space in 2024, not having 5 mil of dead salary and Demar is better than that.. But I think it’s an option that never really gets talked about.

Wood and Powell are only real free agents being renounced there. And Powell likely will work with the team in some way IMO.

Well Dallas $120m if they keep Powell for $5m. So they have $16m capspace?

Yeah they can stretch Bertans to make it $28m.. not sure how you get to $32m unless you're sending pick 10 away?

People also don't talk about Kyrie threatening to play for Lakers at MLE, nor do they talk about the fact that he lost his $17m/year Nike shoe deal and is currently trying to get another shoe deal. The LA market could get him access to a much bigger deal to supplement lost salary.

I think Kyrie taking less to play on the Lakers is more possible than people think and based on the threads I've posted, I think Dallas are more likely to try capspace route then take any combo of salary match that makes sense. An SnT does seem extremely unlikely.

[pipfan]

I like Vandy, but anything with DLo coming to the Bulls is a no-go from this Bulls' fan

[jayjaysee]

And there’s also the possibility Dallas sacrifices 2024 cap space, stretches Bertans and can offer Grant or FVV 32-34 million?.

Well Dallas $120m if they keep Powell for $5m. So they have $16m capspace?

Yeah they can stretch Bertans to make it $28m.. not sure how you get to $32m unless you're sending pick 10 away.

Mine was honestly finger math, but.. Spottac has Dallas at $108,671,031 for the 8 guys under contract? $5,212,800 For 10th.

113.88. 20 mil in cap space? Powell would be brought back after using room except/BAE/vet min so wouldn’t count against cap space

Stretch Bertans and add a couple cap holds and you’re in that 32 million ballpark.

Or you could trade out of 10th for multiple future firsts, trade Bullock, etc..

[Darren]

If Kyrie walks, I think the Mavs turn to Jerami Grant and 10th pick candidates immediately. I'm more interested in Ben Simmons dump trade (if Brooklyn includes both picks) than taking on DeRozan. At least, you know Grant would provide immediate help at glaring needs. DeRozan only creates problems.

[ChettheJet]

If enough players are are in motion if there was a way for the Bulls to send Alex Caruso to the Lakers and end up with Mo Bamba, it would be a bright and sunny day.

The flawed part for the Bulls is not D Lo it's you shifting Lavine to the SF which he isn't
for them to end up with

Russell White
Lavine
Bamba
Williams Terry
Vanderbilt DJJ

[tacosman]

I'm all for trading DeMar, buit not if it means we have to pay D-Lo $25 mil.

He's not a bad player, but he's not a step in the right direction for the Bulls, unless it's for 2 years while we blow it all up

Vando the main prize but DLo isn't bad.
$25m is 18% of cap.
You can always make it a descending deal or you can make it start a little lower.
$25m, $23.75m, $22.5m, $21.25m
18%, 16%, 14%, 12% of cap

18% of your cap for someone who isn't a winning player is bad. So is 16%, 14%, etc......

Nobody wants dlo at 20-25 million for several years. Whenever a dlo s/t is theorized on here, fans of the 'lucky' team always come in to say some variation of "oh I don't want Dlo". Every. Single. One.

And vando isn't much of a "main prize". He's worth something positive I guess, but he was what.....like the 4th or 5th best role player on the lakers last year? The idea that teams would be willing to take on a Dlo contract(a new one!) for vandberbilt just doesn't fly.

But back to the dlo thing......everyone is taking the "oh we gotta use his contract in a sign and trade to make the money work" approach. Which is INSANITY. You do that **** with expirings to make the money match.......duh, thats the point of an expiring. You don't take that approach with BRAND NEW contracts lmao.

the whole thing is ass-backwards.

The bottom line is this is a player who does not play winning basketball, does not defend, is inconsistent, and only does one thing sorta ok if given enough volume. He's exactly the type of player you DONT want on a big expensive long term deal with several years left. Fortunately for nba owners, Dlos ridiculous contract is about to end. This means that an nba owner(or several nba owners as they tend to play hot potato with contracts like this) won't have to pay Dlo an insane amount of money to play non-winning basketball anymore.

That's in a sane world at least. Why in the world some of you are hell bent on making the world insane by giving him a 4 year deal at 20-25 million per year for accounting games(on a new deal!......not the usual accounting games we play with expirings) is beyond me.

We talk about organizations creating positive value.....this is the reverse- it's creating negative value out of thin air.