Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

[CP War Hawks]

Yea that Dallas trade is horrible for the Hawks. We'd be scrambling to find a big that can defend and rebound and a wing that can defend atleast on par level basically just for pick 10 which I personally hardly value over pick 15.

Indy is the perfect partner. Hunter and Collins for pick 7 and duarte. Walker, Hendrix, or Ausar should be there at 7. Cleans the glut in salary and gives the team a high level versatile forward in the draft.

[Jamaaliver]

I would do this trade in a heartbeat.

From The Athletic:

Trade proposals for the Rockets’ fourth pick in the 2023 NBA Draft

Rockets receive: Dejounte Murray and John Collins

Hawks receive: Kevin Porter Jr., Jae’Sean Tate, K.J. Martin, the No. 4 pick in 2023, 2025 and 2027 first-round picks

Why Houston does this: This looks like a lot and it is. It’s only contingent on the Hawks deciding to blow things up rather than wade in the Eastern Conference water. Murray is the prize here, adding a tenacious two-way guard who immediately raises the floor and ceiling of a young team. In Collins, the Rockets get their hands on a player Atlanta clearly wants to move, someone they’ve been interested in and who can be a quality rim protector and lob threat. The Hawks gave up quite a bit in the Murray deal a year ago and would be recouping some of their lost assets. But in reality, do the Rockets even see a combination of Murray and Collins as the way to go, considering how much of their cap space both players would consume?

Jeff Schultz (Atlanta columnist): It’s a nice package and there are some elements of the deal I like, notably the No. 4 pick and the two other first-rounders. Draft picks potentially help the Hawks cut some salary, which is needed. Porter also probably would fit well with Trae Young. The problem is I don’t think the Hawks are in the mode of trading Dejounte Murray. They really like what he brings to the team and they gave up a lot to get him. The persistent question is whether Murray and Young can play together and that question could be answered early next season. If it doesn’t work, I could see the Hawks using Murray as a valuable trade asset at the deadline, especially since he’ll become a free agent after the season.

[jayu70]

I would do this trade in a heartbeat.

From The Athletic:

Trade proposals for the Rockets’ fourth pick in the 2023 NBA Draft

Rockets receive: Dejounte Murray and John Collins

Hawks receive: Kevin Porter Jr., Jae’Sean Tate, K.J. Martin, the No. 4 pick in 2023, 2025 and 2027 first-round picks

Why Houston does this: This looks like a lot and it is. It’s only contingent on the Hawks deciding to blow things up rather than wade in the Eastern Conference water. Murray is the prize here, adding a tenacious two-way guard who immediately raises the floor and ceiling of a young team. In Collins, the Rockets get their hands on a player Atlanta clearly wants to move, someone they’ve been interested in and who can be a quality rim protector and lob threat. The Hawks gave up quite a bit in the Murray deal a year ago and would be recouping some of their lost assets. But in reality, do the Rockets even see a combination of Murray and Collins as the way to go, considering how much of their cap space both players would consume?

Jeff Schultz (Atlanta columnist): It’s a nice package and there are some elements of the deal I like, notably the No. 4 pick and the two other first-rounders. Draft picks potentially help the Hawks cut some salary, which is needed. Porter also probably would fit well with Trae Young. The problem is I don’t think the Hawks are in the mode of trading Dejounte Murray. They really like what he brings to the team and they gave up a lot to get him. The persistent question is whether Murray and Young can play together and that question could be answered early next season. If it doesn’t work, I could see the Hawks using Murray as a valuable trade asset at the deadline, especially since he’ll become a free agent after the season.

Besides saving $20 mil - What is your follow up plan/trade for competing for a top 4 seed in the EC next season....I don't see adding 3 22 year olds as that winning formula.

[CP War Hawks]

I would do this trade in a heartbeat.

From The Athletic:

Trade proposals for the Rockets’ fourth pick in the 2023 NBA Draft

Rockets receive: Dejounte Murray and John Collins

Hawks receive: Kevin Porter Jr., Jae’Sean Tate, K.J. Martin, the No. 4 pick in 2023, 2025 and 2027 first-round picks

Why Houston does this: This looks like a lot and it is. It’s only contingent on the Hawks deciding to blow things up rather than wade in the Eastern Conference water. Murray is the prize here, adding a tenacious two-way guard who immediately raises the floor and ceiling of a young team. In Collins, the Rockets get their hands on a player Atlanta clearly wants to move, someone they’ve been interested in and who can be a quality rim protector and lob threat. The Hawks gave up quite a bit in the Murray deal a year ago and would be recouping some of their lost assets. But in reality, do the Rockets even see a combination of Murray and Collins as the way to go, considering how much of their cap space both players would consume?

Jeff Schultz (Atlanta columnist): It’s a nice package and there are some elements of the deal I like, notably the No. 4 pick and the two other first-rounders. Draft picks potentially help the Hawks cut some salary, which is needed. Porter also probably would fit well with Trae Young. The problem is I don’t think the Hawks are in the mode of trading Dejounte Murray. They really like what he brings to the team and they gave up a lot to get him. The persistent question is whether Murray and Young can play together and that question could be answered early next season. If it doesn’t work, I could see the Hawks using Murray as a valuable trade asset at the deadline, especially since he’ll become a free agent after the season.

Is this in lieu of Harden signing with the Rockets. That's a guard heavy lineup for them. With those draft picks I'd likely pull the trigger but I can see Houston just offering up 2023 no.4 only.

[Jamaaliver]

Besides saving $20 mil - What is your follow up plan/trade for competing for a top 4 seed in the EC next season....I don't see adding 3 22 year olds as that winning formula.

A move like that would give us all kinds of flexibility moving forward.

We can draft at #4 and #15 and then go to battle with the team we have. (My preference.)

We can package any of the 5 draft picks available in trade alongside Capela/Hunter/Bogdan for a first tier player.

[tbhawksfan1]

Besides saving $20 mil - What is your follow up plan/trade for competing for a top 4 seed in the EC next season....I don't see adding 3 22 year olds as that winning formula.

A move like that would give us all kinds of flexibility moving forward.

We can draft at #4 and #15 and then go to battle with the team we have. (My preference.)

We can package any of the 5 draft picks available in trade alongside Capela/Hunter/Bogdan for a first tier player.

What do you mean by "first tier player"? If you mean top 10 you gonna need to add a lot to that to get it

For example for J. Brown how much would you need to add to get him and he's not even top 10

Hunter had a putrid season and is about to get expensive. Capela is an asset but no O and Bogs is an ok 6th man but not cheap. Top tier is going to take more than that

The NBA is always quality over quantity

[jayu70]

Besides saving $20 mil - What is your follow up plan/trade for competing for a top 4 seed in the EC next season....I don't see adding 3 22 year olds as that winning formula.

A move like that would give us all kinds of flexibility moving forward.

We can draft at #4 and #15 and then go to battle with the team we have. (My preference.)

We can package any of the 5 draft picks available in trade alongside Capela/Hunter/Bogdan for a first tier player.

Who do you like at #4 and #15?
What does that lineup look like?
What do you see the expected 'battle' with your preferred approach to look like at the end of the season? Play-in, playoffs, Seeding?

[Jamaaliver]

What do you mean by "first tier player"? If you mean top 10 you gonna need to add a lot to that to get it

For example for J. Brown how much would you need to add to get him and he's not even top 10

Hunter had a putrid season and is about to get expensive. Capela is an asset but no O and Bogs is an ok 6th man but not cheap. Top tier is going to take more than that

The NBA is always quality over quantity

I've seen multiple All-Stars/All-NBA/MVP players traded over the past 5+ years, mostly for packages centered around massive draft compensation.

From Chris Paul to Russ Westbrook to James Harden to Kyrie Irving to Kevin Durant to Jimmy Butler to Kawhi Leonard to Anthony Davis to Brandon Ingram to Donovan Mitchell to Tyrese Halliburton to Paul George to SGA to CJ McCollum to DeJounte Murray.


Top players get traded all the time for draft compensation and mediocre players. Having five (5) 1st round picks to trade seems like a decent place to start negotiating when the next disgruntled star requests a trade.

[jayu70]

Who is the best player the Hawks can get for an on-court UPGRADE by combining #15 plus one of our vets: CC, JC, Dre.or Bogi. Not salary dumps, not picks.....an established player.

[D21]

...and Bogs is an ok 6th man but not cheap...

?
I didn't check but I'm curious to know if any of the contenders teams has a 6th man with a lower contract than Bogi...
17M/yr on the next 4 years, with the increase of Salary cap coming, it will be more "cheap" than "not cheap"
Not even talking about the fact that this performs better with him than with Murray who will ask for a lot more than 17M

If you look at the individual stats only, sure Murray looks better, but didn't see that this team was playing its best bball Vs BOS with Bogi?
And the stats confirms it: best Net rating of this team, by far: +6.2, all the other players in negative
The game without Murray? 18pts with only 9 shots, 6 rdb, 5 ast, 1 stl, 2 blk and 0 TO (and best Hawks Plus/Minus with +11)
Doesn't deserve 17M?

If he was costing 25M, I would understand, but we need to stop this thing to trade Bogi because he's not cheap. If we have to include him to get a star, why not, but trading because of money, certainly not if we want this team to be contender

I'm sure that if SAC had traded for him instead of Huerter, and that he would have got the same role, maybe his regular season would have been a bit lower than Huerter's one, but to playoff time, he would have been better and SAC would have beaten GSW

For once that management did he clearly great thing, and that the player wants to be here, we need to stop thinking it should be different.

[D21]

Who is the best player the Hawks can get for an on-court UPGRADE by combining #15 plus one of our vets: CC, JC, Dre.or Bogi. Not salary dumps, not picks.....an established player.

If we want to really get more playing options and a less foreseeable offense? easily Capela
But I would try first to trade him without the 15th pick, and keep it for another trade if possible

And with any trade, they need to stop pleasing Trae or Klutch Sports (I hate the fact that we have a Klutch backcourt now taking 45 shots per game). He didn't want Capela to be traded, well it creates a lack of spacing. We had shooters, they traded Huerter and Gallo, for one player not shooting as good as them. Again less spacing... and they are surprised to not be better than in 2021?

[tbhawksfan1]

I love home grown players but I'm never against moving anyone for the right deal and I'm definately not against a consolidation trade but once again for the right deal

We are very deep and thin at the top. I still think that Murray should be offered. I think the Trae off ball thing is a mistake. He is one of the best on ball PGs in the league and not so good off ball

Murray has much more value at PG. Murray and one of CC, JC is a good package to start looking for an upgrade

I want OO, JJ and AJ to get the minutes they need to develop / perform

I'm hoping that Brown can be shook lose from BOS

DAL and TOR could make interesting trade partners in a BOS deal. CC + to DAL for #10, #10 and #15 + to TOR for Siakam or OG. Murray and TOR player to BOS for Brown and one of their PGS to ATL interests me

[jayu70]

Who is the best player the Hawks can get for an on-court UPGRADE by combining #15 plus one of our vets: CC, JC, Dre.or Bogi. Not salary dumps, not picks.....an established player.

If we want to really get more playing options and a less foreseeable offense? easily Capela
But I would try first to trade him without the 15th pick, and keep it for another trade if possible

I get all that, I'm asking, who is the best player(s) that upgrades the team the Hawks can get for any of these trades if the elected to trade #15 plus a vet!

#15 plus CC = ?

#15 plus JC = ?

#15 plus Dre = ?

#15 plus Bogi = ?

[Jamaaliver]

Too good to be true?

Read on Twitter

Nets get:
– John Collins

Hawks get:
– Dorian Finney-Smith
– Royce O’Neale
– 2027 1st Rd Pick (Top-8 protected, via PHI)

Heavy.com

[King Ken]

Besides saving $20 mil - What is your follow up plan/trade for competing for a top 4 seed in the EC next season....I don't see adding 3 22 year olds as that winning formula.

A move like that would give us all kinds of flexibility moving forward.

We can draft at #4 and #15 and then go to battle with the team we have. (My preference.)

We can package any of the 5 draft picks available in trade alongside Capela/Hunter/Bogdan for a first tier player.

It's a no for me.

Who's at 4 that's worth Murray? Easy pass for me.

[tbhawksfan1]

Too good to be true?

Read on Twitter

Nets get:
– John Collins

Hawks get:
– Dorian Finney-Smith
– Royce O’Neale
– 2027 1st Rd Pick (Top-8 protected, via PHI)

Heavy.com

This is more interesting and much more plausible

[Jamaaliver]

With the below in mind, how much would you guys be willing to move to LAC for a one year rental of Paul George?

I'm thinking something like Collins/Hunter for PG straight up. This gives us a legit shot at making a run to the ECF. It also allows us to clear some salary cap room for next summer to re-sign DeJounte and extend Okongwu, Jalen.

Paul George trade talk

...the Clippers have arguably the most complicated, complex situation to manage in the NBA right now. And frankly, they probably need to make a decision right now on how realistic they think a title is this season. Do they still believe the title window is genuinely open?

I think there is a real case to be early on this decision and break up the team now. I think George would be the most valuable player on the market if they decided to do that, even with only one year and a player option left on his contract. He would bring back a significant return. Another team would probably be willing to take on the significant risk that is Leonard and give up real value to do it given that it’s only a two-year commitment.

I will just note that I’d rather be early on these choices rather than later. And if the Clippers do a true self-evaluation and feel like the title hopes are minimal due to Leonard’s status, then they should shift priorities and try to rebuild this thing and take the assets they would acquire with such moves to do so.

[Jamaaliver]

Best case scenario?

Read on Twitter

[Jamaaliver]

I don't see Ayton worth building around long term, but this could be similar to the Warriors decision to sign-and-trade KD and get D'Angelo Russell in return. They rehabbed his value and traded him for a valuable starter (A Wiggins) and a lottery pick.

A move like this would be in that vein.

[dms269]

I don't see Ayton worth building around long term, but this could be similar to the Warriors decision to sign-and-trade KD and get D'Angelo Russell in return. They rehabbed his value and traded him for a valuable starter (A Wiggins) and a lottery pick.

A move like this would be in that vein.

Ayton does not have this type of value now.