Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed (Stein: Case being reviewed by NBA)

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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#21 » by levon » Fri May 26, 2023 12:32 am

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levon wrote:Where'd you get either figure? Eric Lewis has officiated 77 Celtics games in 4 seasons, and 69 Lakers games?


https://www.basketball-reference.com/referees/lewiser99r.html#all_refs-summary

Celtics are 50-29 while Lakers are 38-32

This is just Lakers fans trying to find someone to blame.


Lewis started reffing in 04.

Celtics have a .610 record since 2004 and a .633 record with Lewis - .23 over expectation
Lakers have a .519 record since 2004 and a .543 record with Lewis - .24 over expectation

Both nearly perfectly in line with records over that span.

I'm getting a different win % than you https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/celtics-win-percentage-last-19-years
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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#22 » by AussieCeltic » Fri May 26, 2023 12:45 am

levon wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:
XTC wrote:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/referees/lewiser99r.html#all_refs-summary

Celtics are 50-29 while Lakers are 38-32

This is just Lakers fans trying to find someone to blame.


Lewis started reffing in 04.

Celtics have a .610 record since 2004 and a .633 record with Lewis - .23 over expectation
Lakers have a .519 record since 2004 and a .543 record with Lewis - .24 over expectation

Both nearly perfectly in line with records over that span.

I'm getting a different win % than you https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/celtics-win-percentage-last-19-years


You appear to be correct. Either way a 10% variance isn’t egregious unless you’re going to really analyse the data.

Like did he ref more games that Celtics were favoured in already?
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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#23 » by Pointgod » Fri May 26, 2023 12:47 am

jowglenn wrote:Honestly good for him, people lying and trashing refs for no good reason out there. I'd get annoyed by it too


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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#24 » by og15 » Fri May 26, 2023 1:17 am

Very non scandalous, most of his responses are what I would expect someone to respond when some people always find a way to blame the refs
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Post#25 » by wegotthabeet » Fri May 26, 2023 1:21 am

where does this rank on a scale of 1 to Colangelo?
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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#26 » by levon » Fri May 26, 2023 1:32 am

AussieCeltic wrote:
levon wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:
Lewis started reffing in 04.

Celtics have a .610 record since 2004 and a .633 record with Lewis - .23 over expectation
Lakers have a .519 record since 2004 and a .543 record with Lewis - .24 over expectation

Both nearly perfectly in line with records over that span.

I'm getting a different win % than you https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/celtics-win-percentage-last-19-years


You appear to be correct. Either way a 10% variance isn’t egregious unless you’re going to really analyse the data.

Like did he ref more games that Celtics were favoured in already?

At this large of a sample size all of that gets washed away I think. What I'd be more interested in is how this compares to other tenured refs records against teams, by team. You could even do a RAPM-like thing to suss out confounding effects between ref crew members if you cared that much. I don't, but I bet there's a Vegas nerd somewhere who does.

Either way, I don't think this proves bias, but it doesn't exactly quell the conspiracy theorists either.
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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#27 » by og15 » Fri May 26, 2023 1:35 am

levon wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:
levon wrote:I'm getting a different win % than you https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/celtics-win-percentage-last-19-years


You appear to be correct. Either way a 10% variance isn’t egregious unless you’re going to really analyse the data.

Like did he ref more games that Celtics were favoured in already?

At this large of a sample size all of that gets washed away I think. What I'd be more interested in is how this compares to other tenured refs records against teams, by team.

Either way, I don't think this proves bias, but it doesn't exactly quell the conspiracy theorists either.

You can't really quell the conspiracy theorists though
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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#28 » by levon » Fri May 26, 2023 1:36 am

og15 wrote:
levon wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:
You appear to be correct. Either way a 10% variance isn’t egregious unless you’re going to really analyse the data.

Like did he ref more games that Celtics were favoured in already?

At this large of a sample size all of that gets washed away I think. What I'd be more interested in is how this compares to other tenured refs records against teams, by team.

Either way, I don't think this proves bias, but it doesn't exactly quell the conspiracy theorists either.

You can't really quell the conspiracy theorists though

Not the core bozos, but I think there are smart, fact-driven people that get sucked in.
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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#29 » by Jazz9 » Fri May 26, 2023 1:50 am

Well, that was boring.
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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#30 » by XTC » Fri May 26, 2023 2:07 am

levon wrote:
XTC wrote:
levon wrote:Where'd you get either figure? Eric Lewis has officiated 77 Celtics games in 4 seasons, and 69 Lakers games?


https://www.basketball-reference.com/referees/lewiser99r.html#all_refs-summary

Celtics are 50-29 while Lakers are 38-32

This is just Lakers fans trying to find someone to blame.

I don't know why you keep bringing up Lakers fans despite like half of his qualms being with Kings and Nuggets fans these playoffs, but this isn't just the last 4 years-- this looks like his record all time. It's nearly 18 years worth.

Since he started reffing, the Celtics have had a 57.7% win percentage. In game he refs, they've had a 63.3%. He's benefitted the Lakers a little bit too (54% vs 51%). Obviously these kinds of discrepancies can happen for a myriad of reasons so you'd have to compare it to other refs.


Keep bringing up Laker fans? I had one post where I brought up the 'Laker fans' in the twitter thread. Relax, I was rooting for the Lakers this post season.
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Post#31 » by nikster » Fri May 26, 2023 2:13 am

levon wrote:
og15 wrote:
levon wrote:At this large of a sample size all of that gets washed away I think. What I'd be more interested in is how this compares to other tenured refs records against teams, by team.

Either way, I don't think this proves bias, but it doesn't exactly quell the conspiracy theorists either.

You can't really quell the conspiracy theorists though

Not the core bozos, but I think there are smart, fact-driven people that get sucked in.

Not really fact driven if they can't see through that kind of variance. He has a couple other teams he has a similar increase in variance with. There also tons of refs that have great records with Boston like 12-2,15-3, the last several years. Someone was 7-0. I'm sure every team has a few refs that they play better than average against
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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#32 » by levon » Fri May 26, 2023 2:19 am

nikster wrote:
levon wrote:
og15 wrote:You can't really quell the conspiracy theorists though

Not the core bozos, but I think there are smart, fact-driven people that get sucked in.

Not really fact driven if they can't see through that kind of variance. He has a couple other teams he has a similar increase in variance with. There also tons of refs that have great records with Boston like 12-2,15-3, the last several years. Someone was 7-0. I'm sure every team has a few refs that they play better than average against

I mean 18 games reffed during a span when Boston has been very good is obviously not comparable to his nearly 19 year career, but yeah the numbers don't mean anything without comparing with other refs.
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Re: Alleged Eric Lewis burner account outed, now deactivated 

Post#33 » by levon » Fri May 26, 2023 2:21 am

XTC wrote:
levon wrote:
XTC wrote:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/referees/lewiser99r.html#all_refs-summary

Celtics are 50-29 while Lakers are 38-32

This is just Lakers fans trying to find someone to blame.

I don't know why you keep bringing up Lakers fans despite like half of his qualms being with Kings and Nuggets fans these playoffs, but this isn't just the last 4 years-- this looks like his record all time. It's nearly 18 years worth.

Since he started reffing, the Celtics have had a 57.7% win percentage. In game he refs, they've had a 63.3%. He's benefitted the Lakers a little bit too (54% vs 51%). Obviously these kinds of discrepancies can happen for a myriad of reasons so you'd have to compare it to other refs.


Keep bringing up Laker fans? I had one post where I brought up the 'Laker fans' in the twitter thread. Relax, I was rooting for the Lakers this post season.

Sorry, I mistakenly conflated you with the other poster from the first page because you also mentioned his record against the Lakers, which wasn't really in question from the OP.
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Post#34 » by Pointgod » Fri May 26, 2023 2:27 am

wegotthabeet wrote:where does this rank on a scale of 1 to Colangelo?


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Post#35 » by nikster » Fri May 26, 2023 2:28 am

levon wrote:
nikster wrote:
levon wrote:Not the core bozos, but I think there are smart, fact-driven people that get sucked in.

Not really fact driven if they can't see through that kind of variance. He has a couple other teams he has a similar increase in variance with. There also tons of refs that have great records with Boston like 12-2,15-3, the last several years. Someone was 7-0. I'm sure every team has a few refs that they play better than average against

I mean 18 games reffed during a span when Boston has been very good is obviously not comparable to his nearly 19 year career, but yeah the numbers don't mean anything without comparing with other refs.

Now were talking about variance within a sample.

Think the Celtics are something like 15-1 over the last 3 years with Eric Lewis. That one stretch would be entirely responsible for his above average win percentage over his career
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Post#36 » by levon » Fri May 26, 2023 11:10 pm

nikster wrote:
levon wrote:
nikster wrote:Not really fact driven if they can't see through that kind of variance. He has a couple other teams he has a similar increase in variance with. There also tons of refs that have great records with Boston like 12-2,15-3, the last several years. Someone was 7-0. I'm sure every team has a few refs that they play better than average against

I mean 18 games reffed during a span when Boston has been very good is obviously not comparable to his nearly 19 year career, but yeah the numbers don't mean anything without comparing with other refs.

Now were talking about variance within a sample.

Think the Celtics are something like 15-1 over the last 3 years with Eric Lewis. That one stretch would be entirely responsible for his above average win percentage over his career

Sure? But that same 15-1 is reflected in both the Celtics' total win percentage and their win percentage with Lewis officiating. Unless Lewis has officiated more Celtics games in the years that they were good than the years they were bad, chopping it up into smaller samples like this doesn't explain anything either way.

Anyway, the NBA is investigating this Twitter noise according to Stein
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Post#37 » by JN61 » Sat May 27, 2023 12:36 am

XTC wrote:Eric Lewis + his family are die hard Celtics fans.

36-2 in his last 38 games where he officiated Boston is crazy... And to then make him an official in a Lakers playoff series? That's crazy to me.

Edit - I stand corrected. They are 49-28 since 2020. Which falls in line with their winning percent over that time period. The Lakers are 37-32 in that time span, which makes sense considering how ass they've been since winning a championship. This is a non-story IMO, just a dude defending himself.

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Post#38 » by nikster » Sat May 27, 2023 12:38 am

levon wrote:
nikster wrote:
levon wrote:I mean 18 games reffed during a span when Boston has been very good is obviously not comparable to his nearly 19 year career, but yeah the numbers don't mean anything without comparing with other refs.

Now were talking about variance within a sample.

Think the Celtics are something like 15-1 over the last 3 years with Eric Lewis. That one stretch would be entirely responsible for his above average win percentage over his career

Sure? But that same 15-1 is reflected in both the Celtics' total win percentage and their win percentage with Lewis officiating. Unless Lewis has officiated more Celtics games in the years that they were good than the years they were bad, chopping it up into smaller samples like this doesn't explain anything either way.

Anyway, the NBA is investigating this Twitter noise according to Stein
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So they're 16-2 since 2019-20 season with Lewis. That makes them 55% in the rest of the games in his career, which is the same winning percentage Boston has had as a team over that period (2003-2019). So a vast majority of his career was in line with the average, and then he had a recent stretch of a higher winning percentage. A rate we've seen from several other officials in similar samples. That is not at all indicative of bias.

NBA is investigating because of the noise about it, I doubt anything happens
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Why was the Eric Lewis thread locked? This here proves refs are pro Boston 

Post#39 » by Mean_Streets » Sat May 27, 2023 7:59 pm

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Re: Why was the Eric Lewis thread locked? This here proves refs are pro Boston 

Post#40 » by whatisacenter » Sat May 27, 2023 8:02 pm

I mean, without the editing, dude could be just turning to run to the other end of the court.
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