***BREAKING NEWS*** TORRE TURNS DOWN OFFER

[Pharmcat]

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Incentives? Give me a break. As Abraham said, this is an organization that has never given out incentive clauses in player contracts. But now they have a different policy when their Hall of Fame manager's contract is up??? This was a transparent, lowball, slap in the face offer, pretty much saying "Joe, we don't want you back". They knew he wouldn't accept the offer. In addition, this process should have never dragged out for 10 days. If they didn't want him, they should have never extended him an offer. It should have been done a week ago.

Have they considered the reprecussions? What are the standards in this organization in regards to managers???? Will Girardi (or our future manager) get fired after 2 years if this team doesn't win the World Series?? Do people realize that this opens the revolving manager door ala the '80s if this team doesn't succeed?

Randy Levine, Brian Cashman, Hank and Hal... I am extremely dissapointed in the way they handled this. Let's see how they handle the rest of the offseason, but it's been an utter disgrace up to this point.

from what i hear (Take it wat its worth for), but levine is the biggest one who wanted torre gone

im pretty sure cash would keep torre if it was to him

[moocow007]

I'd go with LaRussa as the number 1 choice. No way on Mattingly who is just too bland and too unproven to be manage the NY Yankees a this time.

[EM PLEH]

where the hell is gene michaels? give him back some power and restore some sanity.

[34Celtic]

I love how the board has changed their feelings on Joe since July....he didn't deserve what he was getting then and he doesn't deserve to be treated the way the franchise treated him today.

[moocow007]

I love how the board has changed their feelings on Joe since July....he didn't deserve what he was getting then and he doesn't deserve to be treated the way the franchise treated him today.

Half this board was ready to dump Torre in July...

[bennnnnooo]

I can't blame joe for declining the yanks 1 year offer. As soon as the yanks lose 4 out of 5 he'd be hearing it from steinbrenner. Like some1 said he'd be a lame duck all year. That offer was just a slap in the face saying its time to move on.

Now for the replacement......Joe Girardi please for g-ds sake before another team snatches him for years lets take him and start a new era. The guy is just an absolute genious and any yankee fan would know that from watching YES this year.

[sully00]

This team needs to set a course. I don't think picking a manager is that hard. They have two choices. You try and replace Torre and resign everyone with Mattingly. A guy who the room goes quiet when he walks in. The players will play for him as hard as they played for Torre for whatever that has been worth.

Or you hire Giradi and let them walk or take them back on the Yankees terms. I think that this was the start of those type of negotiations.

All afternoon I have heard how this is exactly what they did to Buck Showalter. And how did that work out? Mo and Jorge might want have a sit down with #23 before just packing their bags.

I have lived and died with this team for over 30 years but it is obvious that the front office feels like the tail is waggin the dog and it isn't George anymore. I would rather win 75 games and miss the playoffs taking a step forward than win 85 games and miss the playoffs with a bunch of 38 year olds on 4 year deals.

The thing to keep in mind is that whether it is Mattingly or Giradi, there is no need to panic as an over 35 year old walks out the door on FA deal. Eveyone of those that walks away is another Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy. That is how the Stick put it together a decade ago and how Cashman saved this season.

Tonight is about emotion. And frankly I am less emotional because Joe made this about money and not a chance to manage the Yankees, which means the time had probably had come even if it is hard to accept.

[TKF]

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Incentives? Give me a break. As Abraham said, this is an organization that has never given out incentive clauses in player contracts. But now they have a different policy when their Hall of Fame manager's contract is up??? This was a transparent, lowball, slap in the face offer, pretty much saying "Joe, we don't want you back". They knew he wouldn't accept the offer. In addition, this process should have never dragged out for 10 days. If they didn't want him, they should have never extended him an offer. It should have been done a week ago.

Have they considered the reprecussions? What are the standards in this organization in regards to managers???? Will Girardi (or our future manager) get fired after 2 years if this team doesn't win the World Series?? Do people realize that this opens the revolving manager door ala the '80s if this team doesn't succeed?

Randy Levine, Brian Cashman, Hank and Hal... I am extremely dissapointed in the way they handled this. Let's see how they handle the rest of the offseason, but it's been an utter disgrace up to this point.

But look at the incentives. 1 mil for making the playoffs? that is a gimme, we made the playoffs for 12 years in a row, so that was no problem, I think guaranteeing 2 years would have been better...

[sully00]

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But look at the incentives. 1 mil for making the playoffs? that is a gimme, we made the playoffs for 12 years in a row, so that was no problem, I think guaranteeing 2 years would have been better...

Sherman is the only one that gets it. This is still the Yankees, a guaranteed 2nd year wasn't going to stop them from firing him in May if they thought that is what it was going to take to win, at least not anymore. Unfortuneatly for Joe, and he may have known this, his team plays better, a lot better, for him when his ass was on the line. But they put him in that situation when they faulter under expectations.

If you can't deal with hearing about your managing mortality everyday in the papers then it is time to move on. If it is about guarantees if you fail and security then go manage the Dodgers, because your contract wasn't going to guarantee you anything. Joe Torre lasted 9 years as the manager of the NY Yankees because he won and the last 3 because he had a ridiculous contract. He got paid what he was making because he had gone to the World Series.

I love Joe and wanted him to stay on because I think he likely gave us the best chance to make the playoffs. But this act is a reflection of how his team plays. It sounds corny but it is time to introduce a little love of the game back into this clubhouse, and if some heros have to walk to do that so be it. Either Mattingly or Giradi will bring that with them.

[cmaff051]

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But look at the incentives. 1 mil for making the playoffs? that is a gimme, we made the playoffs for 12 years in a row, so that was no problem, I think guaranteeing 2 years would have been better...

This is a paycut for Joe Torre, first and foremost.

Unlike many recent fans who think that playing in October is a birthright, the Yankees do not show up on April 1st and guarenteed a playoff spot. Joe Torre has guided this team to the playoffs in the last 4 years with the most mediocre of rotations: we haven't had an AVERAGE rotation since 2003. Not even good, not even above average, we haven't had an average rotation since 2003. Players could get injured, our young starters who we will rely on heavily next year could fall on their face. We could win 85 games next year. As such, this is a paycut from the start.

However, it's a good bet that if Jorge Posada, Alex Rodriguez and Mariano Rivera return, that we will make it to the playoffs in 2008. But he is still only guarenteed $6 million if this is the case, a $1.5 million dollar paycut from what he recieved in 2007. Granting incentives, which if you went to the World Series would be the only way to match the salary you were guarenteed the year before, is an absolute joke given the inherent variability of postseason play. Is an escalator cause placed on Torre's contract going to be the magic cure for the Yankees to advance in ALCS and World Series in the coming years? No, it's not. Pitching is what is going to bring us back to the World Series, and it's just remarkable to me the lack of common sense - and foresight - that this entire organization lacked during this entire process.