BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

[KingCat]

Really trying to like this kid as a prospect, but seeing him struggle to get past absolute lugs at the college level just puts me off a lot.

[countryboi]

I get Monk vibes from Miller, both good and bad. It's probably the primary reason why I'd rather we draft Scoot or Anthony Black.

is there any good in this? but i can completely see this

[luciano-davidwesley]

Miller is stinky and bad at basketball. Scoot 4lyf

[LofJ]

I think the odds are decent that Miller will slip because of potential legal issues. We aren't picking him, it's going to be Scoot.

[KingCat]

Miller is stinky and bad at basketball. Scoot 4lyf

Very measured and mature response to criticism of your favorite prospect. Love to see it.

[JMAC3]

Really trying to like this kid as a prospect, but seeing him struggle to get past absolute lugs at the college level just puts me off a lot.

What are you referencing? Should he just averaged 36 ppg and be able to get a layup every possession he wants?

He led the SEC in scoring, shot 61.6% from 2 in 18 SEC games, averaged the most points per game of any lottery prospect outside of Wemby and did all this while on a team that went 16-2 in SEC play.

If the numbers aren't telling a good enough story, I promise if you watch the film you will see him putting the ball on floor and getting to the rim, drawing fouls, etc... You don't just luck your way into 19 points per game.

Just in the Arkansas game alone, he crosses Black, hits a hesitation blow by on Walsh from top of the key, gets another and1 on Black on a left handed layup. They are considered 2 of the best defenders in the class. I guess I am not sure which mythical prospect you are comparing him to?

[KingCat]

Really trying to like this kid as a prospect, but seeing him struggle to get past absolute lugs at the college level just puts me off a lot.

What are you referencing? Should he just averaged 36 ppg and be able to get a layup every possession he wants?

He led the SEC in scoring, shot 61.6% from 2 in 18 SEC games, averaged the most points per game of any lottery prospect outside of Wemby and did all this while on a team that went 16-2 in SEC play.

If the numbers aren't telling a good enough story, I promise if you watch the film you will see him putting the ball on floor and getting to the rim, drawing fouls, etc... You don't just luck your way into 19 points per game.

Just in the Arkansas game alone, he crosses Black, hits a hesitation blow by on Walsh from top of the key, gets another and1 on Black on a left handed layup. They are considered 2 of the best defenders in the class. I guess I am not sure which mythical prospect you are comparing him to?

You might be right. I've just seen several instances of him struggling to create space vs college kids. I specfically remember him struggling to get past Bacot. Bacot isn't exactly an athletic switcher at a college level.

[JMAC3]

Really trying to like this kid as a prospect, but seeing him struggle to get past absolute lugs at the college level just puts me off a lot.

What are you referencing? Should he just averaged 36 ppg and be able to get a layup every possession he wants?

He led the SEC in scoring, shot 61.6% from 2 in 18 SEC games, averaged the most points per game of any lottery prospect outside of Wemby and did all this while on a team that went 16-2 in SEC play.

If the numbers aren't telling a good enough story, I promise if you watch the film you will see him putting the ball on floor and getting to the rim, drawing fouls, etc... You don't just luck your way into 19 points per game.

Just in the Arkansas game alone, he crosses Black, hits a hesitation blow by on Walsh from top of the key, gets another and1 on Black on a left handed layup. They are considered 2 of the best defenders in the class. I guess I am not sure which mythical prospect you are comparing him to?

You might be right. I've just seen several instances of him struggling to create space vs college kids. I specfically remember him struggling to get past Bacot. Bacot isn't exactly an athletic switcher at a college level.

No offense, but who cares. He isn't going to score every play, I don't expect him to be unguardable.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Miller is stinky and bad at basketball. Scoot 4lyf

Very measured and mature response to criticism of your favorite prospect. Love to see it.

I started out 60/40 Brandon Miller.

I'm probably 55/45 Scoot at the moment. I don't have a favourite prospect. I'm just noting the sometimes embarrassing comments the Scoot fanbois are making to diminish Miller in these threads.

Funny you mentioned maturity though. That's kind of the point I'm trying to make.

[Snidely FC]

I feel like comparing Brandon Miller's and Scoot's potential roles on the team, and therefore their requisite skill sets, is apples and oranges. Brandon Miller is 6'9, Scoot is 6'2. Maybe as a 6'9 guard Brandon is not going to blow by or create separation in the same way as an explosive 6'2 Scoot. But that doesn't mean he isn't a talented scorer who couldn't star in his own way. Here are descriptive notes from Spinelli's analysis of Miller:

deep range
will shoot over the top of high hands
threat to shoot off DHAs
knows how to move around dribble penetration
super effective in Ghost pick & pop
Good at other unique screening actions
action works so well due to his quick stroke
solid ISO option due to size and fluidity
pulls up from 3 when teams go under
Can get to the rim off bounce
Insanely tough shot maker in isolation
smooth scorer in mid range
great touch after stride-stop and turnaround
mid-range turnaround jumper go to move
mid-post scoring upside
long strides help separation on drives
Handle + Long strides = ISO ability to get to the rim
Has some shiftiness/changes of gear as driver
Has added craft in his driving arsenal, including hostage dribbles and step-thrus
clutch gene, wants ball in late game moments

Miller is no one trick pony, he's a fluid 6'9 has a bag of offensive tricks and is not going to be getting stuffed left and right

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Just saying, that if people are worried about 6'9 Miller getting separation then it's fair to worry about 6'2 Scoot not being able to shoot over tall people.

[MasterIchiro]

I feel like comparing Brandon Miller's and Scoot's potential roles on the team, and therefore their requisite skill sets, is apples and oranges. Brandon Miller is 6'9, Scoot is 6'2. Maybe as a 6'9 guard Brandon is not going to blow by or create separation in the same way as an explosive 6'2 Scoot. But that doesn't mean he isn't a talented scorer who couldn't star in his own way. Here are descriptive notes from Spinelli's analysis of Miller:

deep range
will shoot over the top of high hands
threat to shoot off DHAs
knows how to move around dribble penetration
super effective in Ghost pick & pop
Good at other unique screening actions
action works so well due to his quick stroke
solid ISO option due to size and fluidity
pulls up from 3 when teams go under
Can get to the rim off bounce
Insanely tough shot maker in isolation
smooth scorer in mid range
great touch after stride-stop and turnaround
mid-range turnaround jumper go to move
mid-post scoring upside
long strides help separation on drives
Handle + Long strides = ISO ability to get to the rim
Has some shiftiness/changes of gear as driver
Has added craft in his driving arsenal, including hostage dribbles and step-thrus
clutch gene, wants ball in late game moments

Miller is no one trick pony, he's a fluid 6'9 has a bag of offensive tricks and is not going to be getting stuffed left and right

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Just saying, that if people are worried about 6'9 Miller getting separation then it's fair to worry about 6'2 Scoot not being able to shoot over tall people.

Spinella ironically prefers Scoot for the Hornets. As far as shooting over tall people, Scoot scored 59% at the rim as a pro this year while Miller was funneling Milwaukee's Best and lighting farts at fraternity parties as a way to entertain his ex-girlffriend's new boyfriend (no wait, that was me).

At any rate...

Scoot shot 43% from three off the catch in G-league. It was low volume but you would expect a ball movement system quarterbacked by a prolific playmaker in LaMelo Ball to increase those opportunities for Scoot.

Those rim points are baked into Scoot's draft profile. LaMelo, Miles, PJ, Terry and Hayward are all capable spacers as the team when healthy excelled from range under Borrego.

Scoot is that rare breed like LaMelo who reads the floor so well and can handle the ball with the best of them that he creates his own shots while generating good looks for his teammates.

There is no way the Hornets are taking Miller over Scoot. I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood if Kupchak does that. That's how confident I am.

[KingCat]

I feel like comparing Brandon Miller's and Scoot's potential roles on the team, and therefore their requisite skill sets, is apples and oranges. Brandon Miller is 6'9, Scoot is 6'2. Maybe as a 6'9 guard Brandon is not going to blow by or create separation in the same way as an explosive 6'2 Scoot. But that doesn't mean he isn't a talented scorer who couldn't star in his own way. Here are descriptive notes from Spinelli's analysis of Miller:

deep range
will shoot over the top of high hands
threat to shoot off DHAs
knows how to move around dribble penetration
super effective in Ghost pick & pop
Good at other unique screening actions
action works so well due to his quick stroke
solid ISO option due to size and fluidity
pulls up from 3 when teams go under
Can get to the rim off bounce
Insanely tough shot maker in isolation
smooth scorer in mid range
great touch after stride-stop and turnaround
mid-range turnaround jumper go to move
mid-post scoring upside
long strides help separation on drives
Handle + Long strides = ISO ability to get to the rim
Has some shiftiness/changes of gear as driver
Has added craft in his driving arsenal, including hostage dribbles and step-thrus
clutch gene, wants ball in late game moments

Miller is no one trick pony, he's a fluid 6'9 has a bag of offensive tricks and is not going to be getting stuffed left and right

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Just saying, that if people are worried about 6'9 Miller getting separation then it's fair to worry about 6'2 Scoot not being able to shoot over tall people.

Spinella ironically prefers Scoot for the Hornets. As far as shooting over tall people, Scoot scored 59% at the rim as a pro this year while Miller was funneling Milwaukee's Best and lighting farts at fraternity parties as a way to entertain his ex-girlffriend's new boyfriend (no wait, that was me).

At any rate...

Scoot shot 43% from three off the catch in G-league. It was low volume but you would expect a ball movement system quarterbacked by a prolific playmaker in LaMelo Ball to increase those opportunities for Scoot.

Those rim points are baked into Scoot's draft profile. LaMelo, Miles, PJ, Terry and Hayward are all capable spacers as the team when healthy excelled from range under Borrego.

Scoot is that rare breed like LaMelo who reads the floor so well and can handle the ball with the best of them that he creates his own shots while generating good looks for his teammates.

There is no way the Hornets are taking Miller over Scoot. I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood if Kupchak does that. That's how confident I am.

That really why I heavily prefer Scoot. I think he offers something not commonly available in a draft.

Now adays "skilled" long wings are available in every draft which is why I think Miller is a great, but not special prospect. I am sure next year we will be in position to draft someone with similar skillsets to Miller. Can't say the same for Scoot.

[JMAC3]

I feel like comparing Brandon Miller's and Scoot's potential roles on the team, and therefore their requisite skill sets, is apples and oranges. Brandon Miller is 6'9, Scoot is 6'2. Maybe as a 6'9 guard Brandon is not going to blow by or create separation in the same way as an explosive 6'2 Scoot. But that doesn't mean he isn't a talented scorer who couldn't star in his own way. Here are descriptive notes from Spinelli's analysis of Miller:

deep range
will shoot over the top of high hands
threat to shoot off DHAs
knows how to move around dribble penetration
super effective in Ghost pick & pop
Good at other unique screening actions
action works so well due to his quick stroke
solid ISO option due to size and fluidity
pulls up from 3 when teams go under
Can get to the rim off bounce
Insanely tough shot maker in isolation
smooth scorer in mid range
great touch after stride-stop and turnaround
mid-range turnaround jumper go to move
mid-post scoring upside
long strides help separation on drives
Handle + Long strides = ISO ability to get to the rim
Has some shiftiness/changes of gear as driver
Has added craft in his driving arsenal, including hostage dribbles and step-thrus
clutch gene, wants ball in late game moments

Miller is no one trick pony, he's a fluid 6'9 has a bag of offensive tricks and is not going to be getting stuffed left and right

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Just saying, that if people are worried about 6'9 Miller getting separation then it's fair to worry about 6'2 Scoot not being able to shoot over tall people.

Spinella ironically prefers Scoot for the Hornets. As far as shooting over tall people, Scoot scored 59% at the rim as a pro this year while Miller was funneling Milwaukee's Best and lighting farts at fraternity parties as a way to entertain his ex-girlffriend's new boyfriend (no wait, that was me).

At any rate...

Scoot shot 43% from three off the catch in G-league. It was low volume but you would expect a ball movement system quarterbacked by a prolific playmaker in LaMelo Ball to increase those opportunities for Scoot.

Those rim points are baked into Scoot's draft profile. LaMelo, Miles, PJ, Terry and Hayward are all capable spacers as the team when healthy excelled from range under Borrego.

Scoot is that rare breed like LaMelo who reads the floor so well and can handle the ball with the best of them that he creates his own shots while generating good looks for his teammates.

There is no way the Hornets are taking Miller over Scoot. I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood if Kupchak does that. That's how confident I am.

Yeah I am not buying that 43% at all. I am going to need some additional information there.

[JMAC3]

I feel like comparing Brandon Miller's and Scoot's potential roles on the team, and therefore their requisite skill sets, is apples and oranges. Brandon Miller is 6'9, Scoot is 6'2. Maybe as a 6'9 guard Brandon is not going to blow by or create separation in the same way as an explosive 6'2 Scoot. But that doesn't mean he isn't a talented scorer who couldn't star in his own way. Here are descriptive notes from Spinelli's analysis of Miller:

deep range
will shoot over the top of high hands
threat to shoot off DHAs
knows how to move around dribble penetration
super effective in Ghost pick & pop
Good at other unique screening actions
action works so well due to his quick stroke
solid ISO option due to size and fluidity
pulls up from 3 when teams go under
Can get to the rim off bounce
Insanely tough shot maker in isolation
smooth scorer in mid range
great touch after stride-stop and turnaround
mid-range turnaround jumper go to move
mid-post scoring upside
long strides help separation on drives
Handle + Long strides = ISO ability to get to the rim
Has some shiftiness/changes of gear as driver
Has added craft in his driving arsenal, including hostage dribbles and step-thrus
clutch gene, wants ball in late game moments

Miller is no one trick pony, he's a fluid 6'9 has a bag of offensive tricks and is not going to be getting stuffed left and right

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Just saying, that if people are worried about 6'9 Miller getting separation then it's fair to worry about 6'2 Scoot not being able to shoot over tall people.

Spinella ironically prefers Scoot for the Hornets. As far as shooting over tall people, Scoot scored 59% at the rim as a pro this year while Miller was funneling Milwaukee's Best and lighting farts at fraternity parties as a way to entertain his ex-girlffriend's new boyfriend (no wait, that was me).

At any rate...

Scoot shot 43% from three off the catch in G-league. It was low volume but you would expect a ball movement system quarterbacked by a prolific playmaker in LaMelo Ball to increase those opportunities for Scoot.

Those rim points are baked into Scoot's draft profile. LaMelo, Miles, PJ, Terry and Hayward are all capable spacers as the team when healthy excelled from range under Borrego.

Scoot is that rare breed like LaMelo who reads the floor so well and can handle the ball with the best of them that he creates his own shots while generating good looks for his teammates.

There is no way the Hornets are taking Miller over Scoot. I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood if Kupchak does that. That's how confident I am.

That really why I heavily prefer Scoot. I think he offers something not commonly available in a draft.

Now adays "skilled" long wings are available in every draft which is why I think Miller is a great, but not special prospect. I am sure next year we will be in position to draft someone with similar skillsets to Miller. Can't say the same for Scoot.

Yeah, I disagree that there are 6-9 elite shooters with guard skills every year.

I have said it before, but Ivey and Scoot are pretty similar as prospects. Ivey is bigger and has shown more as a shooter.

[KingCat]

Spinella ironically prefers Scoot for the Hornets. As far as shooting over tall people, Scoot scored 59% at the rim as a pro this year while Miller was funneling Milwaukee's Best and lighting farts at fraternity parties as a way to entertain his ex-girlffriend's new boyfriend (no wait, that was me).

At any rate...

Scoot shot 43% from three off the catch in G-league. It was low volume but you would expect a ball movement system quarterbacked by a prolific playmaker in LaMelo Ball to increase those opportunities for Scoot.

Those rim points are baked into Scoot's draft profile. LaMelo, Miles, PJ, Terry and Hayward are all capable spacers as the team when healthy excelled from range under Borrego.

Scoot is that rare breed like LaMelo who reads the floor so well and can handle the ball with the best of them that he creates his own shots while generating good looks for his teammates.

There is no way the Hornets are taking Miller over Scoot. I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood if Kupchak does that. That's how confident I am.

That really why I heavily prefer Scoot. I think he offers something not commonly available in a draft.

Now adays "skilled" long wings are available in every draft which is why I think Miller is a great, but not special prospect. I am sure next year we will be in position to draft someone with similar skillsets to Miller. Can't say the same for Scoot.

Yeah, I disagree that there are 6-9 elite shooters with guard skills every year.

I have said it before, but Ivey and Scoot are pretty similar as prospects. Ivey is bigger and has shown more as a shooter.

Haha I mean looking ahead in 2024, there are already like 5 prospects that are close to the same size are also considered good shooter:
Zaccharie Risacher
Justin Edwards
Ronald Holland
Andrej Stojakovic

And those are just prospects off the top of my head. As I said, shooting wings are becoming a dime a dozen. I think Miller will be a solid player in this league, but not a player teams are gonna be kicking themselves for passing on 10 years down the the line.

[JMAC3]

That really why I heavily prefer Scoot. I think he offers something not commonly available in a draft.

Now adays "skilled" long wings are available in every draft which is why I think Miller is a great, but not special prospect. I am sure next year we will be in position to draft someone with similar skillsets to Miller. Can't say the same for Scoot.

Yeah, I disagree that there are 6-9 elite shooters with guard skills every year.

I have said it before, but Ivey and Scoot are pretty similar as prospects. Ivey is bigger and has shown more as a shooter.

Haha I mean looking ahead in 2024, there are already like 5 prospects that are close to the same size are also considered good shooter:
Zaccharie Risacher
Justin Edwards
Ronald Holland
Andrej Stojakovic

And those are just prospects off the top of my head. As I said, shooting wings are becoming a dime a dozen. I think Miller will be a solid player in this league, but not a player teams are gonna be kicking themselves for passing on 10 years down the the line.

Yeah no idea, I am looking at the last 3 drafts on what we have seen.

Banchero, Holmgren, Jabari, Ivey, Murray
Cade, Green, Mobley, Barnes, Suggs
Edwards, Wiseman, Ball, PWill, Okoro

In terms of size, shooting, ball handling Miller is pretty rare. Murray and Jabari can shoot, but not nearly as skilled. Paolo is skilled and big, but can't really shoot yet.

[JMAC3]

Also taking next years mock with a grain of a salt right now, basically ranking high school players on paper right now.

Here was last years top 12 entering college.

1. Lively- maybe not even lottery
2. Whitehead- late first
3. Nick Smith- probably late lottery
4. Dillon Mitchell- 2nd rounder
5. Amari Bailey- 2nd rounder
6. Keyonte George- mid first
7. Filipowski- returned to school
8. Kael Ware- barely played, transferred
9. Brandon Miller - top 5 pick
10. Jarace Walker - top 8 pick
11. Jordan Walsh- late first
12. Chris Livingston- 2nd rounder

[dmutombo321]

Also taking next years mock with a grain of a salt right now, basically ranking high school players on paper right now.

Here was last years top 12 entering college.

1. Lively- maybe not even lottery
2. Whitehead- late first
3. Nick Smith- probably late lottery
4. Dillon Mitchell- 2nd rounder
5. Amari Bailey- 2nd rounder
6. Keyonte George- mid first
7. Filipowski- returned to school
8. Kael Ware- barely played, transferred
9. Brandon Miller - top 5 pick
10. Jarace Walker - top 8 pick
11. Jordan Walsh- late first
12. Chris Livingston- 2nd rounder

Yep. Eye opening. This is why I'm not a fan of the NBA once again abandoning the 1 year in college or 19 years old standard. It helped to wash out dinner if the duds before teams burned high picks on them

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[JMAC3]

Just so to be clear, I have Miller #2 on my board. Not projecting him to need to massively improve on defense, shooting, drawing fouls or add 50 lbs of muscle.

Reasonably I think in order for him to pan out as a good pick he does need to add about 15-20lbs get to the 210- 220lb range, shouldn't be hard to add weight to his 6-9 frame. Continue to improve in his ball handling playmaking over time so that he can be a 4-5 assist guy by the time his first contract is up and just slowly improve at everything else.

With his ability to shoot the three ball (7.5 attempts per game) I think he could be a 24 ppg, 8rb, 4 apg player in a few years who is a solid defender.

[JMAC3]

He made 2.9 threes per game in college last year, that would of ranked tied for 13th in the NBA.
His 7.5 attempts per game would be tied for 17th.