Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup

[zzaj]

Blazers will (and should) stand pat and just draft #3. Adding the salary of a Siakam or Brown will cripple the franchise for the forseeable future. Whereas, having (hopefully) a rookie contract putting up numbers is a massive advantage.

Also, they’ll make the playoffs next season and will win a round if they are healthy. Could hit the CF if they catch lightning in a bottle.

Lillard
Simons
Scoot/Miller
Sharpe
Grant
Nurkic (healthy)

…is plenty to accomplish that.

I'm sorry, but this handwringing over contacts and salary is kind of getting out of control. I get the thinking, but most of you are talking about this like if the Blazers made a move for one of these high priced players, they couldn't move them again in the future.

Also... Scoot at SF?!

Duster I just put the players up as they came into my head—no positional designation there, even though it looks like it…

Whether you consider it ‘handwringing’ or not, paying 3 super star salaries for 1 super star and two on-again-off-again allstars for the next 4 years isn’t going to be a good thing for this small market franchise—especially when ownership is questionable, and that big 3 isn’t guaranteeing a single thing in the WC.

EDIT: and I get that all contracts are tradeable…but if things do start moving in the direction of a “big one, smaller 2&3” then how hard is it going to be to trade Jaylen Brown or Siakam?

[tester551]

But Simons is. Simons would be the Celtics best guard immediately. He's a much better player than both Smart and White. That's where your logic is faulty. Simons goes along with the #3 pick.

I'm sorry, but I have to call you out on this one... This is a major homer take, if I've ever seen one.

White is one of the most UNDER-rated players in the league.
Smart vs Simons is closer, but Smart is still a better player at this point in time... because Defense is a thing and important to winning NBA games.

[Effigy]

This is some funky logic. Tatum wants a win-now guy, which Simons isn't... but he is for the Suns, another team in a win-now window?

The 3 isn't a win now piece. That's a project. Especially on a team trying to win the title. Go ask GS how easy it is to find time for lottery picks when you are trying to win a chip. Simmons is a big step down from Brown but is not a big step down from Ayton, those two are much more comparable.

But Simons is. Simons would be the Celtics best guard immediately. He's a much better player than both Smart and White. That's where your logic is faulty. Simons goes along with the #3 pick.

He would only be their best guard because they would be trading their best guard to get him. (I know Brown made the all nba team as a forward, but he's more of a guard, but even if you consider him a forward, the fact remains, they'd be downgrading heavily from Brown to Simmons and bringing in a rookie who history shows won't be played much or contribute much while they try to win a title.

Like I said, this is a trade a fan thinks is a good idea, and you're a fan, so no surprise you think they should do it. GMs want to keep their jobs and win today, not set the table for their replacement. Guaranteed Tatum doesn't want them downgrading the roster and bringing int a rookie who's years away from meaningful help on a championship-calibur team. At some point you need to try to assemble a team that can contend and not just keep getting younger and getting more picks. Boston is at that point.

[The Sebastian Express]

Blazers will (and should) stand pat and just draft #3. Adding the salary of a Siakam or Brown will cripple the franchise for the forseeable future. Whereas, having (hopefully) a rookie contract putting up numbers is a massive advantage.

Also, they’ll make the playoffs next season and will win a round if they are healthy. Could hit the CF if they catch lightning in a bottle.

Lillard
Simons
Scoot/Miller
Sharpe
Grant
Nurkic (healthy)

…is plenty to accomplish that.

I'm sorry, but this handwringing over contacts and salary is kind of getting out of control. I get the thinking, but most of you are talking about this like if the Blazers made a move for one of these high priced players, they couldn't move them again in the future.

Also... Scoot at SF?!

I don't think he's indicating Scoot at small forward, but rather that rotation of players overall. As you can see, he has six players. While we did play six players that one time, I don't think the league would love it if we did it for eighty-two games.

[Wizenheimer]

Brown for Simons and 3 sounds like a fan trade. I can't imagine Tatum would be excited for that. He wants guys to help him win now. I would bet Tatum prefers a Dame trade, and so do I. Draft Scoot (assuming he's available) and trade Simons for Ayton.

Scoot
Brown
Sharpe
Grant
Ayton

Let's go.

Now if Charlotte takes Scoot, it gets a little tricker. Take Miller of course, but then I guess you need to keep Simmons as the pg. Maybe try to see if you can do a S&T of Grant for Ayton or another servicable center.

if the Blazers are trading Dame for Brown, they are only getting Brown for one season, then he walks

and no, an extend & trade doesn't work. Brown could only extend for 2 seasons and with the lower step raises.

[DusterBuster]

Blazers will (and should) stand pat and just draft #3. Adding the salary of a Siakam or Brown will cripple the franchise for the forseeable future. Whereas, having (hopefully) a rookie contract putting up numbers is a massive advantage.

Also, they’ll make the playoffs next season and will win a round if they are healthy. Could hit the CF if they catch lightning in a bottle.

Lillard
Simons
Scoot/Miller
Sharpe
Grant
Nurkic (healthy)

…is plenty to accomplish that.

I'm sorry, but this handwringing over contacts and salary is kind of getting out of control. I get the thinking, but most of you are talking about this like if the Blazers made a move for one of these high priced players, they couldn't move them again in the future.

Also... Scoot at SF?!

I don't think he's indicating Scoot at small forward, but rather that rotation of players overall. As you can see, he has six players. While we did play six players that one time, I don't think the league would love it if we did it for eighty-two games.

Yeah, I totally misread that based on how the players were lined up (PG to C).

[DusterBuster]

But Simons is. Simons would be the Celtics best guard immediately. He's a much better player than both Smart and White. That's where your logic is faulty. Simons goes along with the #3 pick.

I'm sorry, but I have to call you out on this one... This is a major homer take, if I've ever seen one.

White is one of the most UNDER-rated players in the league.
Smart vs Simons is closer, but Smart is still a better player at this point in time... because Defense is a thing and important to winning NBA games.

Smart is super overrated. His defense is good but he also regularly shoots his team out of games. Derrick White averages 12ppg. It's not a homer take to say that Simons is a considerably better player than both of those guys.

It's a pretty easily verifiable fact. Even said this same comment on the Boston board and got zero flack for it, got more flack from Blazer fans lmao.

[BNM]

The 3 isn't a win now piece. That's a project. Especially on a team trying to win the title. Go ask GS how easy it is to find time for lottery picks when you are trying to win a chip. Simmons is a big step down from Brown but is not a big step down from Ayton, those two are much more comparable.

But Simons is. Simons would be the Celtics best guard immediately. He's a much better player than both Smart and White. That's where your logic is faulty. Simons goes along with the #3 pick.

He would only be their best guard because they would be trading their best guard to get him. (I know Brown made the all nba team as a forward, but he's more of a guard, but even if you consider him a forward, the fact remains, they'd be downgrading heavily from Brown to Simmons and bringing in a rookie who history shows won't be played much or contribute much while they try to win a title.

Like I said, this is a trade a fan thinks is a good idea, and you're a fan, so no surprise you think they should do it. GMs want to keep their jobs and win today, not set the table for their replacement. Guaranteed Tatum doesn't want them downgrading the roster and bringing int a rookie who's years away from meaningful help on a championship-calibur team. At some point you need to try to assemble a team that can contend and not just keep getting younger and getting more picks. Boston is at that point.

Simons would NOT be Boston's best guard. He's a high USG% player that scores at exactly league average efficiency, plays ZERO defense and doesn't get the the FT line. In BOS, he'd be their 6th man, instant offense off the bench - which is what he should be in POR, too.

If we start the season with all of Dame, Any and Sharpe on the roster, Ant better be the 6th man. Sharpe is a MUCH better fit next to Dame and SG is his natural position. Please don't stunt Sharpe's growth by playing him out of position. Of course, if Chauncey is back that's exactly what will happen. He'll start Ant next to Dame, misuse Sharpe and we'll be tanking at the trade deadline for the third straight year.

White actually shoots better from 3 and has a significantly better TS%. The only reason he scores less than Simons is his low USG% (which makes sense, given Boston's other options). He also plays defense, gets to the FT line and is a better passer than Simons.

Smart is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league (former DPOY, 3x 1st team all defense, 4x NBA Hustle Award winner). Simons shoots better, but Smart does EVERYTHING else better.

Simons isn't starting over either of those guys. Basically, the only thing that prevents Ant from being a high volume, no defense chucker is his efficiency if average - not good, average. Everything else he does is below average and it's reflected in his advanced stats and impact metrics.

[DusterBuster]

But Simons is. Simons would be the Celtics best guard immediately. He's a much better player than both Smart and White. That's where your logic is faulty. Simons goes along with the #3 pick.

He would only be their best guard because they would be trading their best guard to get him. (I know Brown made the all nba team as a forward, but he's more of a guard, but even if you consider him a forward, the fact remains, they'd be downgrading heavily from Brown to Simmons and bringing in a rookie who history shows won't be played much or contribute much while they try to win a title.

Like I said, this is a trade a fan thinks is a good idea, and you're a fan, so no surprise you think they should do it. GMs want to keep their jobs and win today, not set the table for their replacement. Guaranteed Tatum doesn't want them downgrading the roster and bringing int a rookie who's years away from meaningful help on a championship-calibur team. At some point you need to try to assemble a team that can contend and not just keep getting younger and getting more picks. Boston is at that point.

Simons would NOT be Boston's best guard. He's a high USG% player that scores at exactly league average efficiency, plays ZERO defense and doesn't get the the FT line. In BOS, he'd be their 6th man, instant offense off the bench - which is what he should be in POR, too.

If we start the season with all of Dame, Any and Sharpe on the roster, Ant better be the 6th man. Sharpe is a MUCH better fit next to Dame and SG is his natural position. Please don't stunt Sharpe's growth by playing him out of position. Of course, if Chauncey is back that's exactly what will happen. He'll start Ant next to Dame, misuse Sharpe and we'll be tanking at the trade deadline for the third straight year.

White actually shoots better from 3 and has a significantly better TS%. The only reason he scores less than Simons is his low USG% (which makes sense, given Boston's other options). He also plays defense, gets to the FT line and is a better passer than Simons.

Smart is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league (former DPOY, 3x 1st team all defense, 4x NBA Hustle Award winner). Simons shoots better, but Smart does EVERYTHING else better.

Simons isn't starting over either of those guys. Basically, the only thing that prevents Ant from being a high volume, no defense chucker is his efficiency if average - not good, average. Everything else he does is below average and it's reflected in his advanced stats and impact metrics.

Man, the self-hate from Blazer fans is kinda ridiculous. Smart's defense has fallen off and he literally provides nothing else. He also takes WAY too many 3pt shots when he has no 3pt shot. And White is pretty mediocre.

Again, I find it hilarious Blazer fans are fighting harder against my take that Simons is better than those two than any Celtic fans are lol. But w/e... I won't be debating this any further.

[BNM]

But Simons is. Simons would be the Celtics best guard immediately. He's a much better player than both Smart and White. That's where your logic is faulty. Simons goes along with the #3 pick.

I'm sorry, but I have to call you out on this one... This is a major homer take, if I've ever seen one.

White is one of the most UNDER-rated players in the league.
Smart vs Simons is closer, but Smart is still a better player at this point in time... because Defense is a thing and important to winning NBA games.

Smart is super overrated. His defense is good but he also regularly shoots his team out of games. Derrick White averages 12ppg. It's not a homer take to say that Simons is a considerably better player than both of those guys.

It's a pretty easily verifiable fact. Even said this same comment on the Boston board and got zero flack for it, got more flack from Blazer fans lmao.

It certainly is a homer take. Name one thing Simons does better and more efficiently than Derrick White. The only reason Simons scores more is he shoots a LOT more (and less efficiently). White plays MUCH better defense and is a better passer, too.

Simons:
TS% = .581
AST% = 18.6
WS/48 = .054
VORP = 0.5

White:
TS% = .604
AST% = 19.4
WS/48 = .154
VORP = 2.6

Advantage White and it's not close. Simons is CJ 2.0 and a poor fit next to Dame. Personally, I'd rather just start Sharpe at SG next to Dame, but if the choice was Ant or White, I'd take White 100 times out of 100, He's a MUCH better fit next to Dame than Simons will ever be.

[Effigy]

Brown for Simons and 3 sounds like a fan trade. I can't imagine Tatum would be excited for that. He wants guys to help him win now. I would bet Tatum prefers a Dame trade, and so do I. Draft Scoot (assuming he's available) and trade Simons for Ayton.

Scoot
Brown
Sharpe
Grant
Ayton

Let's go.

Now if Charlotte takes Scoot, it gets a little tricker. Take Miller of course, but then I guess you need to keep Simmons as the pg. Maybe try to see if you can do a S&T of Grant for Ayton or another servicable center.

if the Blazers are trading Dame for Brown, they are only getting Brown for one season, then he walks

and no, an extend & trade doesn't work. Brown could only extend for 2 seasons and with the lower step raises.

That would apply in the case of us trading Simmons and the 3 pick as well and would be even worse (imo), I was simply opperating under the idea of us making a trade for Brown, and the possibility that we could either trade the 3 and Simmons or Dame, either package could potentially get a deal done, which is interesting.


Personally, I think Brown would refuse to sign a new deal with ANY team he's traded to, making a Brown deal almost certainly not happening. If I'm his agent, I'm putting the screws to Boston. I remind them that they have had Jalen at a bargain rate the last 4 years and tell them Jalen is ONLY signing the Supermax. If they don't give it to him he will walk next year. If they trade him, every single team that trades for him will reach out to see if he's willing to come, open to extend, the agent simply says 'he will not extend with you if you trade for him and thus ruin his ability to get a supermax. At that point, Boston will be getting back scraps and the only teams that would trade for him are ones who are fine giving up their older or expensive players for a one year rental like a Bradley Beal or a Zach Lavine.

[BNM]

He would only be their best guard because they would be trading their best guard to get him. (I know Brown made the all nba team as a forward, but he's more of a guard, but even if you consider him a forward, the fact remains, they'd be downgrading heavily from Brown to Simmons and bringing in a rookie who history shows won't be played much or contribute much while they try to win a title.

Like I said, this is a trade a fan thinks is a good idea, and you're a fan, so no surprise you think they should do it. GMs want to keep their jobs and win today, not set the table for their replacement. Guaranteed Tatum doesn't want them downgrading the roster and bringing int a rookie who's years away from meaningful help on a championship-calibur team. At some point you need to try to assemble a team that can contend and not just keep getting younger and getting more picks. Boston is at that point.

Simons would NOT be Boston's best guard. He's a high USG% player that scores at exactly league average efficiency, plays ZERO defense and doesn't get the the FT line. In BOS, he'd be their 6th man, instant offense off the bench - which is what he should be in POR, too.

If we start the season with all of Dame, Any and Sharpe on the roster, Ant better be the 6th man. Sharpe is a MUCH better fit next to Dame and SG is his natural position. Please don't stunt Sharpe's growth by playing him out of position. Of course, if Chauncey is back that's exactly what will happen. He'll start Ant next to Dame, misuse Sharpe and we'll be tanking at the trade deadline for the third straight year.

White actually shoots better from 3 and has a significantly better TS%. The only reason he scores less than Simons is his low USG% (which makes sense, given Boston's other options). He also plays defense, gets to the FT line and is a better passer than Simons.

Smart is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league (former DPOY, 3x 1st team all defense, 4x NBA Hustle Award winner). Simons shoots better, but Smart does EVERYTHING else better.

Simons isn't starting over either of those guys. Basically, the only thing that prevents Ant from being a high volume, no defense chucker is his efficiency if average - not good, average. Everything else he does is below average and it's reflected in his advanced stats and impact metrics.

Man, the self-hate from Blazer fans is kinda ridiculous. Smart's defense has fallen off and he literally provides nothing else. He also takes WAY too many 3pt shots when he has no 3pt shot. And White is pretty mediocre.

Again, I find it hilarious Blazer fans are fighting harder against my take that Simons is better than those two than any Celtic fans are lol. But w/e... I won't be debating this any further.

LOL at Smart's defense falling off. He just won DPOY in 2022. Smart's defense at it's worst will always be multiple levels better than Ant's.

[m0ng0]

Everybody hates Simons around here

[BNM]

Everybody hates Simons around here

I don't hate Simons, but I also don't overvalue him. I also recognize he's a poor fit next to Dame - too much overlap and too little defense.

He would be a GREAT 6th man on a playoff team, but POR isn't currently a playoff team and, regardless, Chauncey will insist on starting him next to Dame, which leaves us severely defensively challenged against other starting units.

If POR really had the goal of making the playoffs last year, Hart should have been starting at SG, his best natural position, next to Dame with Ant coming off the bench as our microwave, instant offense. Guys like that (Vinnie Johnson, Manu Ginobili, Jamal Crawford, etc.) can be extremely valuable when used properly. Instead, we went with an undersized, no defense starting backcourt (just like the previous 7 seasons) and forced Josh Hart to play out of position at SF (just like Norman Powell before him).

This franchise seems determined to repeat the same mistakes over and over, year after year, and anyone who disagrees is labeled a hater. I actually LOVE the Portland Trailblazers, which is why I get aggravated when they fail to learn from their past mistakes.

Simons is a talented offensive player, but starting him next to Damian Lillard, an even more talented offensive player is redundant. Especially when both of them are poor defenders. There is a reason why teams with great perimeter defenders go deep in the playoffs. Valuing the defense of Derrick White or Marcus Smart does not mean I hate Simons, it means I value defense, next to Dame, more than Simons' redundant skill set.

[JRoy]

But Simons is. Simons would be the Celtics best guard immediately. He's a much better player than both Smart and White. That's where your logic is faulty. Simons goes along with the #3 pick.

I'm sorry, but I have to call you out on this one... This is a major homer take, if I've ever seen one.

White is one of the most UNDER-rated players in the league.
Smart vs Simons is closer, but Smart is still a better player at this point in time... because Defense is a thing and important to winning NBA games.

I’d take either over Simons.

[Wizenheimer]

Personally, I think Brown would refuse to sign a new deal with ANY team he's traded to, making a Brown deal almost certainly not happening. If I'm his agent, I'm putting the screws to Boston. I remind them that they have had Jalen at a bargain rate the last 4 years and tell them Jalen is ONLY signing the Supermax. If they don't give it to him he will walk next year. If they trade him, every single team that trades for him will reach out to see if he's willing to come, open to extend, the agent simply says 'he will not extend with you if you trade for him and thus ruin his ability to get a supermax. At that point, Boston will be getting back scraps and the only teams that would trade for him are ones who are fine giving up their older or expensive players for a one year rental like a Bradley Beal or a Zach Lavine.

just the situation as I understand it:

Brown is under contract for next season. Meaning he can't be signed and traded until 2024; only eligible for an extend & trade, and the max duration for that is 3 years. But current seasons count. So, if he was traded at the draft, he could only E&T for one season. And Dame can't be traded till July 10, by the way. If Brown was traded in the summer, he could only extend for 2 years; and for 5% step raises instead of 8%.

so there is simply no way at all he will agree to any extend and trade. And if he is traded, he could not sign an extension with his new team for 6 months. So, sometime in January/February, just approaching the trade deadline. If he's traded he's almost certainly going to become UFA so there is plenty of risk for any team giving up major assets for him

[BlazersBroncos]

White is better at Simons at everything basically.

Smart is a bit closer. Much better defender but a lot of bonehead plays and bad 3 shot selection. Still probably take him over Ant.

[m0ng0]

Yeah 21 per and the guy sucks...and he is 23. Nobody wants that do they? Find a coach who can put these pieces together. Very creative figure out how to make a small lineup work. DiAntoni comes to mind.

[Effigy]

Yeah 21 per and the guy sucks...and he is 23. Nobody wants that do they? Find a coach who can put these pieces together. Very creative figure out how to make a small lineup work. DiAntoni comes to mind.

That’s who I wanted last time. But dame wanted the former player.

[BlazersBroncos]

Yeah 21 per and the guy sucks...and he is 23. Nobody wants that do they? Find a coach who can put these pieces together. Very creative figure out how to make a small lineup work. DiAntoni comes to mind.

He doesnt suck, but he is a very limited player. How many minutes would a Jordan Clarkson or a Lou Williams get in a Conference Finals situation - not too many. That is Simons.

White is bigger, stronger, plays tougher. He is a better defender, passer, rebounder and gets to the FT line at a better rate. He impacts the game outside scoring, is at an elite FT%, and actually shot the 3 at a higher % last year (Albeit on much lower volume).

Simons is younger. That is the only trait I can unarguably say he has over White.

Also, Simons had a 14.8 PER last season. White was at 15.4.