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So did Joe save his head coaching job?

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Did Joe save his job

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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#61 » by chrisab123 » Tue May 30, 2023 8:11 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
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FlatearthZorro wrote:Sadly, I think he will stay. He will need to learn on the job and hopefully he does better next year.


They are not firing him and paying him 4.6 million the next 2 years. We just have to hope Boston gets some better coaches around him.


KaChinnnnnggggg! We have a winner!

Team is so parsimonious when it comes to these contracts, that they are not eating
his salary. Look at Ime, they didn't just fire him right away, because they didn't want to be responsible for his full salary.

I mean, they're the same idiots who had three nice TEs and ended up only using one of them on Muscala, because they
were not taking the Luxury Tax hit. How did that work out for the Playoffs?


I still can't believe what they're paying this guy. Holy crap. Talk about a crappy coach contract.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#62 » by Setshot33 » Tue May 30, 2023 8:35 pm

Most damning part?

He couldn't even get these guys to give maximum defensive effort in a Game 7 with a trip to the Finals on the line.

If they bring him back next season,what reason will there be to watch? They just told you they are punting on the season by keeping him.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#63 » by Ben-N1ce » Tue May 30, 2023 8:41 pm

Setshot33 wrote:Most damning part?

He couldn't even get these guys to give maximum defensive effort in a Game 7 with a trip to the Finals on the line.

If they bring him back next season,what reason will there be to watch? They just told you they are punting on the season by keeping him.

He said the defense was fine..they only shot 50/50 from the field...
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#64 » by The Corey's » Tue May 30, 2023 8:45 pm

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Setshot33 wrote:Most damning part?

He couldn't even get these guys to give maximum defensive effort in a Game 7 with a trip to the Finals on the line.

If they bring him back next season,what reason will there be to watch? They just told you they are punting on the season by keeping him.

He said the defense was fine..they only shot 50/50 from the field...


In some ways he's not wrong. They only scored 104 points.

But he's ignoring the larger issue here, they weren't in it defensively at all. As if they forgot how to play 50% of the game.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#65 » by captain green » Tue May 30, 2023 8:45 pm

Didn't even take a time out to see if Tatum was worse off than he was. Only way he could keep his job was a game 7 win. He clearly is out of his league and it showed in the playoffs. With the amount of championship caliber coaches available it would be dumb of brad to not remove him. Brad also got his ass in this blame department too. Muscala kornet Hauser and champagne Griffin and can't will and pp need to moved to improve the the teams depth.
Trade can't will pp muscala kornet 2 draft pick for dame. Horrible coaching in the playoffs period point blank
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#66 » by BirdLegend33 » Tue May 30, 2023 10:01 pm

I mean it's probably a loss when Tatum is hurt in Game 7.

The point is it shouldn't have even come to that. If Mazzula does his job in games 1-3 and they win at least one of those games, there is no game 7 and most likely the Celtics win the series.

Joe should be out. We don't have years and years to wait for Joe to become an experienced playoff coach.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#67 » by Ben-N1ce » Tue May 30, 2023 10:28 pm

Setshot33 wrote:Most damning part?

He couldn't even get these guys to give maximum defensive effort in a Game 7 with a trip to the Finals on the line.

If they bring him back next season,what reason will there be to watch? They just told you they are punting on the season by keeping him.


You know what's amazing. I listened to his post game and someone asked him looking back on the 1st 3 games were you dug yourself a hole do look at anything you could have done . He freaking said no :banghead: What coach say no...

2:35 in
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#68 » by reload141 » Tue May 30, 2023 10:37 pm

Yes, for two reasons.

1) The players are sick of having a different coach every 5 seconds and want continuity and familiarity.

2) While the assistant coaches will most likely all go, they will be replaced with more veteran assistants and hopefully one of them being a former HC.

We may not like it, but that’s the facts.

(Probably money owed too is a factor)
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Post#69 » by BirdLegend33 » Tue May 30, 2023 10:44 pm

reload141 wrote:Yes, for two reasons.

1) The players are sick of having a different coach every 5 seconds and want continuity and familiarity.

2) While the assistant coaches will most likely all go, they will be replaced with more veteran assistants and hopefully one of them being a former HC.

We may not like it, but that’s the facts.

(Probably money owed too is a factor)


I wouldn't be surprised if one or more players would prefer that Mazzula is gone and if that is the case, let it happen ASAP. He was obviously outcoached and outmatched all the while having the more talented team. It will keep on happening year after year. We don't have time for him to "learn on the job" while Tatum and the Celtics window closes.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#70 » by Marvel » Tue May 30, 2023 10:45 pm

Brad doesn't want to admit he messed up so yeah Joe will be back. What a circus. They're going to run it back and if they fail oh yes the sweet sounds of defeat ringing in our ears once again will be majestic lmao.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#71 » by Hal14 » Tue May 30, 2023 10:47 pm

Ben-N1ce wrote:
Setshot33 wrote:Most damning part?

He couldn't even get these guys to give maximum defensive effort in a Game 7 with a trip to the Finals on the line.

If they bring him back next season,what reason will there be to watch? They just told you they are punting on the season by keeping him.


You know what's amazing. I listened to his post game and someone asked him looking back on the 1st 3 games were you dug yourself a hole do look at anything you could have done . He freaking said no :banghead: What coach say no...

2:35 in

People really need to stop letting it bother them so much what Mazzulla says in interviews.

Clearly the guy doesn't like doing them, doing interviews is clearly not his forte, he seems uncomfortable doing them, he's not the kind of guy who likes the spotlight. He gives short answers, so he can try to get the interview moving along and over with ASAP so he can go and do something he actually enjoys doing.

Lots of coaches have been like this - Popovich, Belichik, etc.

I take anything he says in an interview with a grain of salt.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#72 » by reload141 » Tue May 30, 2023 10:49 pm

BirdLegend33 wrote:
reload141 wrote:Yes, for two reasons.

1) The players are sick of having a different coach every 5 seconds and want continuity and familiarity.

2) While the assistant coaches will most likely all go, they will be replaced with more veteran assistants and hopefully one of them being a former HC.

We may not like it, but that’s the facts.

(Probably money owed too is a factor)


I wouldn't be surprised if one or more players would prefer that Mazzula is gone and if that is the case, let it happen ASAP. He was obviously outcoached and outmatched all the while having the more talented team. It will keep on happening year after year. We don't have time for him to "learn on the job" while Tatum and the Celtics window closes.


Doubt it.

They want him to stay and he will, they will most likely hire a former HC as lead assistant and help Mazz throughout the season to prepare for the playoffs.

Again, people may not like it but it’s the most likely scenario.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#73 » by JR Hawks » Tue May 30, 2023 11:07 pm

Fans are going to be disappointed in Joe's assistants. They're not going to hire anyone that could be perceived as a threat to Joe in anyway. No former head coaches that ever have a chance of being a head coach again. No up and comers with a chance of being a HC in the next few years. Has been's and never will be's only. Brad hired from the same pathetic pool when he was HC. Don't want anyone questioning their analytics approach.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#74 » by return2glory » Tue May 30, 2023 11:10 pm

pac213up wrote:I don't think Brad has the courage to move on from him or maybe ownership does not want to eat the contract. Should they...absolutely. This roster deserves a proven coach.


And the fans deserve clutch players. This roster is flawed, including the corr.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#75 » by return2glory » Tue May 30, 2023 11:13 pm

chrisab123 wrote:Was never in danger. Boston doesn't like rocking the boat. All about good feelings and coddling here


You forgot about making money, win or lose. That's what the Celtics owners and most owners are into. Winning titles is an illusion Wyc and the owners create.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#76 » by Bar Fight » Tue May 30, 2023 11:21 pm

Joe will never coach a championship team. That's one thing I know for a fact
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#77 » by return2glory » Tue May 30, 2023 11:26 pm

Froob wrote:Unless Wyc or Tatum demand it, then yes. I'm not a fan of the Brad Stevens style coaching, but I'm ok with Joe staying with a re-vamped staff.


I was a fan of Joe's most season, considering he was a rookie coach and we had the 2nd best record in the league.

Then the playoffs happened and he was in over his head. He was average to below average in the Hawks series. He was average in the Sixers series. He was terrible in the first 3 games of the Heat series. I'm convinced Brad talked to him after game 3. All of the sudden Joe looked great in games 4 and 5, and it was night and day.

Joe struggled with making adjustments, not just in game but through each series. The problem I have most with him is his coaching philosophy. Live by the 3, die by the 3.

This team was great this season when they shot 40% of better on 3s. Their record was an amazing 38-2. They were an average team when they didn't, just 30-32. That **** won't run in the playoffs when you face a good team with a really good coach. You take away their 3s and it's all over.

Go back to the Sixers series. We were done. It was over for us in game 6, on the road. Then what happened. Tatum caught fire from 3. We ended up forcing a game 7. Game 7 we shot 45% on 3s and blew the Sixers out.

Against the Heat, the best coach in the NBA, coach Spo took the Celtics 3 away. Series should have been over in game 6, not for the miracle of White's put back.

So my question to you and any Mazzulla supporters, do you believe in the live by the 3 and die by the 3 philosophy? Because that is what he is about.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#78 » by return2glory » Tue May 30, 2023 11:29 pm

Bar Fight wrote:Joe will never coach a championship team. That's one thing I know for a fact


So he is the perfect man for the job since the Celtics aren't about championships. 1 title in the last 37 years.
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Post#79 » by return2glory » Tue May 30, 2023 11:34 pm

BirdLegend33 wrote:I mean it's probably a loss when Tatum is hurt in Game 7.

The point is it shouldn't have even come to that. If Mazzula does his job in games 1-3 and they win at least one of those games, there is no game 7 and most likely the Celtics win the series.

Joe should be out. We don't have years and years to wait for Joe to become an experienced playoff coach.


We have been waiting for Brown for years and years to clean up his handles and improve his assist to TO ratio. Or to be clutch in close games. We know it's not going to happen. We stop waiting for it.
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Re: So did Joe save his head coaching job? 

Post#80 » by Green89 » Wed May 31, 2023 12:01 am

Hal14 wrote:
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Ben-N1ce wrote:I think probably did because the Celtics are too scared to do something drastic and will try to give him some people with tenure on his staff..

Can't believe this is real...or I can :/

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This man is a moron. We don't have a Steph Curry or Klay Thompson to warrant the obnoxious amount of threes we jack up. More than half of last night's shots were threes and that's gross. Just because Golden State was successful in this type of playstyle doesn't mean we should copy it. It's like saying that every dunk attempt needs to go between the legs because Vince Carter made it famous.

I don't have a lick of confidence with Joe, but yeah, he's secure. He has the excuse of injuries in crucial games, first year head coach, etc. He never deserved the spot in the first place but we're stuck with this no-talent turd.

We scored more points per 100 possessions this season than the warriors. So we copied their style and are doing it better than them. #2 ranked offense in the league.

If we look closer at the stats, we shot 37.7% from 3 and 56.7% from 3.

Now, if we take those numbers and say that hypothetically we could either shoot all 2's or all 3's to see which one is best. 37.7 x 3 = 113.1 points. 56.7 x 2 = 113.4.

Ironically, they both come out to be basically the same amount of points!

We were 5th in the league in 2 pt %, 6th in the league in 3 pt %. So in terms of how efficient we are compared to the rest of the league, we're basically equally as efficient at making 3's as we are at making 2's (this would be a VERY different conversation if we were 1st in 2 pt % and 30th in 3 pt %).

The end result is that we were #2 in the league in points per 100 possessions. So what are we doing here? The offense isn't the problem.

I think our balance between 2PA and 3PA is just fine. Especially when you consider that we actually shoot MORE 2's than 3's (per 100 possessions, we took 46.2 shots from 2 and 42.6 shots from 3.

When you look at the data objectively, taking too many 3's is not the issue here.


Give us the playoff numbers, Hal. Regular season stats go out the window at Game 1.

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