Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[CelticFaninLBC]

I posted this in a different thread, but apparently it needs to go here as well..

Shouldn't apply regular season stats to the playoffs.

Yup completely different animals. In the playoffs everything is ramped up and playing the same team potentially 7 times in a row is far different than playing a new team (besides the occasional back to back games against the same team) every night.

In the playoffs teams get exposed by better players and coaches. That is why Spo said "You need to take away their 3 point shooting." which is exactly what he did in 4 of these losses.

I mean after we watched Miami get the the finals as an 8th seed and watched Boston finish below 500 at home it is more than safe to say the regular season doesn't mean a whole lot.

48% of Boston's shots came from 3 in the regular season, whereas Denver shot 11 fewer 3's per game than Boston, and 36% of their shots came from 3 in the regular season.

Unless you have two all time great shooters like, Steph and Klay, 45-50% of your shots shouldn't be 3's in the playoffs.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/team/_/season/2023/seasontype/2/table/offensive/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted/dir/desc

[itrsteve]

The problem with JB is this contract eligibility and there would be a natural reaction of inequity if he wasn't getting the maximum amount possible.

Great for us to say "hey, you stunk in the finals, here's 5yr/190" (or whatever it might be), sure maybe he'll sign it but it will rightfully be in the back of his mind that he got hosed and particularly when Tatum pulls down the maximum bag. It feels like it may be best to dodge that before it even becomes a thing because maxing him out isn't a feasible option IMO.

[TGW]

I'm not a Celtics fan, but it's clear you don't break up this team. I forgot what analyst said it, but you don't break up a team everytime they lose. Guys like Brogdon and Grant Williams should probably be replaced with better options, but to say Brown for XYZ will definitely improve this team is wishful thinking.

[hugepatsfan]

I'm not a Celtics fan, but it's clear you don't break up this team. I forgot what analyst said it, but you don't break up a team everytime they lose. Guys like Brogdon and Grant Williams should probably be replaced with better options, but to say Brown for XYZ will definitely improve this team is wishful thinking.

In general, I agree. I think if you can get Siakam that's a case where it's worth it. Comparable caliber player who brings some more positional balance.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Jimmy Stewart Celtics Trade Of The Day

He mentioned this on the SportsHub today: Keep your eye on a guy like Zach Lavine for Brown. It might be a step down in talent and he's been injured, but he's only 28 and has played with Tatum in the Olympics.

Not a Lavine fan and his contact is pretty absurd 128 for the next 3 years and a player option for 48M in 2026. Saves Boston money but not much else.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Jimmy Stewart Celtics Trade Of The Day

He mentioned this on the SportsHub today: Keep your eye on a guy like Zach Lavine for Brown. It might be a step down in talent and he's been injured, but he's only 28 and has played with Tatum in the Olympics.

Nice. Get bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

[bucknersrevenge]

Jimmy Stewart Celtics Trade Of The Day

He mentioned this on the SportsHub today: Keep your eye on a guy like Zach Lavine for Brown. It might be a step down in talent and he's been injured, but he's only 28 and has played with Tatum in the Olympics.

Not a Lavine fan and his contact is pretty absurd 128 for the next 3 years and a player option for 48M in 2026. Saves Boston money but not much else.

How people still listen to that crap is beyond me.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Jimmy Stewart Celtics Trade Of The Day

He mentioned this on the SportsHub today: Keep your eye on a guy like Zach Lavine for Brown. It might be a step down in talent and he's been injured, but he's only 28 and has played with Tatum in the Olympics.

Not a Lavine fan and his contact is pretty absurd 128 for the next 3 years and a player option for 48M in 2026. Saves Boston money but not much else.

How people still listen to that crap is beyond me.

I find Felger and Mazz entertaining but the pretty much just **** on the celtics whenever they talk about them.

Edit although whatever they said today is probably justified

[hugepatsfan]

Brown for Siakam (probably 3-team with POR).

Maybe expand that deal to send Brogdon out and take Simons back, so we can get younger and a little more individual shot creation on the perimeter to make up for loss of Brown there.

Smart to LAC for Norm Powell. They need a PG, we can move White to that spot and go with a floor spacing SG (Powell refularly at 40% plus).

Try to leverage the salary slot of S&T with Grant somewhere else to get Royce ONeale from BRK. I think Hauser would be fair value to send them and help them get below the tax. And maybe a 2nd to the third team that helps us by doing S&T for Grant.

White / Pritchard
Powell / Simons
Tatum / ONeale
Siakam / Gallinari
RWilliams / Horford / Muscala

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Jimmy Stewart Celtics Trade Of The Day

He mentioned this on the SportsHub today: Keep your eye on a guy like Zach Lavine for Brown. It might be a step down in talent and he's been injured, but he's only 28 and has played with Tatum in the Olympics.

Not a Lavine fan and his contact is pretty absurd 128 for the next 3 years and a player option for 48M in 2026. Saves Boston money but not much else.

I wouldn't trade Brown for just LaVine either, but if you could do a multi-player deal,
something along the lines of LaVine, DeRozan and Caruso for Brown, Smart, Gallo, etc.,
that would interest me.

[BK_2020]

Jimmy Stewart Celtics Trade Of The Day

He mentioned this on the SportsHub today: Keep your eye on a guy like Zach Lavine for Brown. It might be a step down in talent and he's been injured, but he's only 28 and has played with Tatum in the Olympics.

Nice. Get bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

Jaylen Brown has on/off of -2.9 in this year's playoffs. Last season he was -0.2. In 2020 Jaylen Brown was -11.0, tied with Semi.
The delta between Jaylen Brown and Zach Lavine is not taking us from ECF at the least to losing in the first round of the playoffs. It's not inconceivable that we might be better with Lavine, as flawed as he is.

[Hal14]

Read on Twitter

Honestly, I would probably do it. JB just doesn't play winning basketball. And doesn't fit well with Tatum. We're boxed into a corner, having to pay JB this $300 mil contract, that he is not good enough to get. And that will leave not enough $ left over (once we give Tatum his supermax in 2024) to pay enough good role players. So mine as well get a good return for JB now, if we can.

Kind of depends who we take with that 3rd pick, though. Perhaps you turn around and flip the 3rd pick for Siakam. Just not sure if a Smart/Simons/Tatum/Siakam/Rob starting 5 has enough shooting. Perhaps you flip Smart in a separate deal - either for a different PG, or you move White to starting PG..

[165bows]

Is it crazy to like Jerami Grant more than Siakam/Simons. Really lukewarm on all the Simons and Siakam ideas. Rather get J. Grant and pay him less and get more ancillary pieces. Also this draft seems super flat after #1 or maybe two, #3 doesn't seem better to me than 6+11 or whatever other option is out there.

[hugepatsfan]

Is it crazy to like Jerami Grant more than Siakam/Simons. Really lukewarm on all the Simons and Siakam ideas. Rather get J. Grant and pay him less and get more ancillary pieces. Also this draft seems super flat after #1 or maybe two, #3 doesn't seem better to me than 6+11 or whatever other option is out there.

I'm all for more "ancillary" pieces but we need a legit #2. I don't think Grant is that guy.

[Froob]

Brown for Siakam (probably 3-team with POR).

Maybe expand that deal to send Brogdon out and take Simons back, so we can get younger and a little more individual shot creation on the perimeter to make up for loss of Brown there.

Smart to LAC for Norm Powell. They need a PG, we can move White to that spot and go with a floor spacing SG (Powell refularly at 40% plus).

Try to leverage the salary slot of S&T with Grant somewhere else to get Royce ONeale from BRK. I think Hauser would be fair value to send them and help them get below the tax. And maybe a 2nd to the third team that helps us by doing S&T for Grant.

White / Pritchard
Powell / Simons
Tatum / ONeale
Siakam / Gallinari
RWilliams / Horford / Muscala

What does Siakam give us that improves this team dramatically?

[Marvel]

The last thing Charlotte needs now is a guy who's connected to a murder.

The All Criminal team

[Marvel]

Read on Twitter

Honestly, I would probably do it. JB just doesn't play winning basketball. And doesn't fit well with Tatum. We're boxed into a corner, having to pay JB this $300 mil contract, that he is not good enough to get. And that will leave not enough $ left over (once we give Tatum his supermax in 2024) to pay enough good role players. So mine as well get a good return for JB now, if we can.

Kind of depends who we take with that 3rd pick, though. Perhaps you turn around and flip the 3rd pick for Siakam. Just not sure if a Smart/Simons/Tatum/Siakam/Rob starting 5 has enough shooting. Perhaps you flip Smart in a separate deal - either for a different PG, or you move White to starting PG..

Who is the best big in that draft? Should be that guy.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jimmy Stewart Celtics Trade Of The Day

He mentioned this on the SportsHub today: Keep your eye on a guy like Zach Lavine for Brown. It might be a step down in talent and he's been injured, but he's only 28 and has played with Tatum in the Olympics.

Not a Lavine fan and his contact is pretty absurd 128 for the next 3 years and a player option for 48M in 2026. Saves Boston money but not much else.

Stewart's never been right once

[hugepatsfan]

Brown for Siakam (probably 3-team with POR).

Maybe expand that deal to send Brogdon out and take Simons back, so we can get younger and a little more individual shot creation on the perimeter to make up for loss of Brown there.

Smart to LAC for Norm Powell. They need a PG, we can move White to that spot and go with a floor spacing SG (Powell refularly at 40% plus).

Try to leverage the salary slot of S&T with Grant somewhere else to get Royce ONeale from BRK. I think Hauser would be fair value to send them and help them get below the tax. And maybe a 2nd to the third team that helps us by doing S&T for Grant.

White / Pritchard
Powell / Simons
Tatum / ONeale
Siakam / Gallinari
RWilliams / Horford / Muscala

What does Siakam give us that improves this team dramatically?

He's a better playmaker than Brown.

His scoring game is more diversified when paired with Tatum than Brown's is.

Defensively he brings a lot of the same elements that we got out of Horford in the two-big lineups under Ime. Being able to get that in the front court out of your second scorer opens up more lineup possibilities for you.

His max extension would be $8M/year less than Brown's supermax which is helpful in team building below the tax.

[Memokerobi]

I'm not a big you have to trade Brown guy but if he is to be moved the one guy I'd like in return would be Haliburton. Would probably give a couple extra 1rp with Brown to do it too.