2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

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Dalek · Post #1446 » by **Dalek** » Tue May 30, 2023 10:49 pm

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Sigh, the more we see, the less likely the Blazer trade the pick. Portland with Shaedon Sharpe and Amen Thompson might have the most athletic backcourt in the NBA.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #1447 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Tue May 30, 2023 10:51 pm

Dalek wrote:
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Sigh, the more we see, the less likely the Blazer trade the pick. Portland with Shaedon Sharpe and Amen Thompson might have the most athletic backcourt in the NBA.

If they both pan out it would give us some serious VC/TMac vibes

WuTang_CMB · Post #1448 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue May 30, 2023 11:02 pm

Ok Bilal we see you. I watched a bit of the game. Thought he looked good and took advantage of opportunities.

grant101 · Post #1449 » by **grant101** » Tue May 30, 2023 11:05 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Dalek wrote:
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Sigh, the more we see, the less likely the Blazer trade the pick. Portland with Shaedon Sharpe and Amen Thompson might have the most athletic backcourt in the NBA.

If they both pan out it would give us some serious VC/TMac vibes

Unless a Dame or Simons is on the trade block, adding another ball dominant player (and one that can't shoot) seems like a horrible idea

Post #1450 » by **DG88** » Tue May 30, 2023 11:07 pm

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WuTang_CMB · Post #1451 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue May 30, 2023 11:08 pm

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REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #1452 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Tue May 30, 2023 11:10 pm

I'd tell Fred he's too small show him out the door then bring in Nowell to fill his role as munchkin king

grant101 · Post #1453 » by **grant101** » Tue May 30, 2023 11:16 pm

Folks are sleeping on his potential. He's got a chance to be real special in a couple of years

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BoyzNTheHood · Post #1454 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Tue May 30, 2023 11:54 pm

grant101 wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Dalek wrote:
Sigh, the more we see, the less likely the Blazer trade the pick. Portland with Shaedon Sharpe and Amen Thompson might have the most athletic backcourt in the NBA.

If they both pan out it would give us some serious VC/TMac vibes

Unless a Dame or Simons is on the trade block, adding another ball dominant player (and one that can't shoot) seems like a horrible idea

I never said it would work, just that having two young dunkers would be reminiscent of VC and TMac

WuTang_CMB · Post #1455 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue May 30, 2023 11:54 pm

Shooting is the Most Overrated Draft Trait

Even though shooting is immensely important in the NBA, it is incredibly difficult to identify in the draft. Most picks that get the best return in the draft are well rounded guys who make huge shooting leaps in the NBA.

Kawhi Leonard only shot 25% 3P over his two NCAA seasons and then immediately was a good shooter as a rookie that eventually developed into a great shooter.

Trevor Ariza shot 23.7% 3P 50.4% FT as a freshman and then went on to an excellent career for a 2nd rounder when he developed into a solid NBA 3 point shooter.

Channing Frye shot 6/23 3P and 75.9% FT over 4 college seasons, shot 20/70 from 3 over his first 4 NBA seasons, and then randomly became a 39% 3P shooter on good volume when he joined Mike D’Antoni’s Suns.

Shooting is an extremely important NBA trait, but it is an incredibly volatile and random trait to predict over the long term. It is easy to fall into the trap of looking for the best shooter to draft, but the more efficient method is to look for players who provide the most outside of shooting.

If you want to draft a one dimensional shooter he should at least be tall like Cam Johnson or Trey Murphy.

For a skinny 6’5 guy like Hawkins, you are committing to nearly guaranteed bad defense with limited offensive upside without any dimensions beyond shooting.

Bottom Line

Hawkins is massively leveraged on his shooting ability, has low upside, and plenty of bust risk. Even if he becomes useful for a full season or more, he will never be a safe longterm commitment as he is not rotation caliber if his shooting ever cools off to a non-elite level.

If you want to take a shooter, you are better off taking a younger guy who has more dimensions to his game and is bigger. Gradey Dick (#11) is only rated a few slots above than Hawkins (#15) on ESPN’s latest big board, and Jett Howard (#17) and Brice Sensabaugh (#19) are rated slightly lower. All of these guys have their share of warts and none of them are sure things, but they are certainly better prospects since they are bigger and better at non-shooting skills. Hawkins may be a slightly better shooter, but if so it is by a trivial margin given the volatility of shooting and his lack of other strengths.

While he has a chance of becoming a useful NBA player, Hawkins is a high risk low reward player that is not worth a first round selection. Perhaps he is fine in round 2, but even then there will be better value propositions on the board.

I do agree with this in a way and I know our MGM does as well based on how we've drafted (OG, Siakam, Norm etc). I do think Hawkin's has some expanded upside and wont be just a shooter. The goal for these shooters is to work on their handle and get in the lane - they need to create havoc because they already pull in the defenses so much to the perimeter cuz they are lights out. Gary Trent hasn't developed much because he can't dribble for beans and he's a poor finisher. His ceiling is reached. Another caveat is the personnel/system. These shooting first prospects will bring a lot more value in a system that helps them elevate like what he got at Uconn.. same with playing with a star. His impact would be way different playing on our team vs Miami this season for example.

gha4life · Post #1456 » by **gha4life** » Wed May 31, 2023 12:42 am

Not sure if it's been posted here , bilals teammate apparently

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WuTang_CMB · Post #1457 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Wed May 31, 2023 12:42 am

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REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #1458 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Wed May 31, 2023 1:07 am

If Dick can rise up to his ceiling it's because he's a big shooter who can get loose balls from time to time. If Bobby and Masai take him 13th they can ride him to the NBA finals.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #1459 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Wed May 31, 2023 1:46 am

Uh what?!?

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BoyzNTheHood · Post #1460 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Wed May 31, 2023 1:48 am

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