Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild"

[Fairview4Life]

How is saying a rookie PG is going to hurt your team's performance early in their career trolling exactly? I'd love to hear this explanation. Player with the ball in their hands the most is going to make mistakes.

I could not give less of a **** about your Scoot prediction. You, of all people, posting this is the trolling part: "Maybe brush up on reading comprehension to avoid your personal biases. You don't have to be combative in all your posts, it is an option. Brutal."

Therefore by your logic, what was that responding to? Trolling? Unbelievable.

Stop being controlled by your personal biases and being so combative. Maybe smile more. It will do you good. Preposterous.

[ItsDanger]

I could not give less of a **** about your Scoot prediction. You, of all people, posting this is the trolling part: "Maybe brush up on reading comprehension to avoid your personal biases. You don't have to be combative in all your posts, it is an option. Brutal."

Therefore by your logic, what was that responding to? Trolling? Unbelievable.

Stop being controlled by your personal biases and being so combative. Maybe smile more. It will do you good. Preposterous.

Didn't answer the question. Maybe stop derailing threads constantly.

[Chandan]

After the way this trash ass season ended it should be a no brainer for the last hold outs. Rebuild this ****, Siakam and Fred top 2 option experiment has went sideways. Time to move on.

Whoever thought those top two would work should be fired.

[Duffman100]

Therefore by your logic, what was that responding to? Trolling? Unbelievable.

Stop being controlled by your personal biases and being so combative. Maybe smile more. It will do you good. Preposterous.

Didn't answer the question. Maybe stop derailing threads constantly.

Genlemen, please stop.

[Fairview4Life]

After the way this trash ass season ended it should be a no brainer for the last hold outs. Rebuild this ****, Siakam and Fred top 2 option experiment has went sideways. Time to move on.

Whoever thought those top two would work should be fired.

I think it's more of a question of should you keep dumping good players until you find one in the draft who you think can be a #1 on a championship team vs. keep your good players and build up assets.

[Fairview4Life]

Genlemen

Stop the homerism.

[Klayforspicy]

After the way this trash ass season ended it should be a no brainer for the last hold outs. Rebuild this ****, Siakam and Fred top 2 option experiment has went sideways. Time to move on.

Whoever thought those top two would work should be fired.

I think it's more of a question of should you keep dumping good players until you find one in the draft who you think can be a #1 on a championship team vs. keep your good players and build up assets.

Toronto sports will sell no matter what, maxing lower tier players and possibly going into the tax is less cost effective than rebuilding, the fans will be there regardless..

The organization just won a title, they shouldn't really have any pressure to keep riding out with thin tires.

[Fairview4Life]

Whoever thought those top two would work should be fired.

I think it's more of a question of should you keep dumping good players until you find one in the draft who you think can be a #1 on a championship team vs. keep your good players and build up assets.

Toronto sports will sell no matter what, maxing lower tier players and possibly going into the tax is less cost effective than rebuilding, the fans will be there regardless.

Kind of not what I mean though. Like we've just spent a few weeks yelling at each other about the Raps moving OG and/or Pascal for the 3rd/4th pick or whatever. Guys that were picked in the 20's. If they can't be number 1's, it does seem fairly cost effective to develop their value like that. The question is more about the timing than anything really.

[Brinbe]

and people were getting on windhorst for saying the same thing. some in here just can't accept the truth staring them in the face.

sports fans in this city will get behind a rebuild if they sell a credible vision/plan for the future. but sports in this city is resembling the worst of the MLSE pension plan days once again. it's primarily about filling seats and making money (yes, that's always the goal) and building actual contending teams is a secondary concern.

[ash_k]

probably lower-level employees.
No reason to rebuild a team that managed to improve his home-record and having a play-in home game despite multiple INJURIES, playing most of the season without a center, a coach losing his way then getting uncommitted , a ROY going through to sophomore slump on the road.
If Barnes comes back as 20|8|8 with the same roster, we would be TOP4 guaranteed as a LOB contender. Stay the course, get Bud or Sergio.

[manjusaka]

I want the full rebuild period. I want that 3rd pick +Simmons package for Siakam. With Simmons we can let FVV just walk away. Either Scoot or Miller could be a #1 pick in some other draft year, they are really talented. Scoot has an electrified aura around him, just like Ja or DRose pre-injury. Miller has the length, and shooting that we are trying to build as a team. Those talents will draw fans into the building and forget the past.

Keeping the team together for few more years of repetitive results will drain the fan base, we have been there before. Please don’t make that mistake.

[WaltFrazier]

let's hope Masai is one of those people. Though I guess the fact this is being mentioned this way likely means he isn't.

Or it could be that he's listening to all sides and he'll come to a decision at some point this off season.

Or maybe keep evaluating and pick a direction next deadline

[islandboy53]

Scoot is 19 yr old rookie at PG, going to be plenty of mistakes. Play in spot? Stop the homerism.

COMPETE FOR

learn to read before you accuse people of saying things they didn't.

…and really who cares lol it would be Year ONE lol the whole idea is they would DEVELOP into a really good team oooor there’s the alternative, run it back become a repeat tax offender of the lux tax for the same result with far less interesting players.

Or something in between. I guarantee you that there will not be a tear down this year, nor will the Raptors be taxpayers. Some of y’all need to get a grip.

[WaltFrazier]

The right move is to hire Jordi. He knows what he's doing more than anyone in our entire organization does and we need his vision and leadership.

He sold me when I heard him say this about "positionless basketball" which the Raps are obsessed with:

"...positionless sounds really good, but a lot of times it gets, you know, misunderstood. You cannot be trying to do too much and at the end you do nothing."

Which to me signifies how he understands that positionless basketball is BS. You need guards with guard skills, wings with wing skills, bigs with big skills. If you can find special athletes for each position fine, but you can't force guys into doing things they struggle at or allow them to attempt it all the while vastly underproducing. They have to be able to achieve the tasks that players at the given position are required to achieve in order to be successful.

Did you see Miamis lineups last night? They had 5 perimeter players on the floor. They're in the finals.

Positions really don't matter as much as talented players with high iq. In today's nba, shooting the 3 is also a priority. Our problems have nothing to do with being positionless.... they have to do with things we've discussed ad nauseum, I.e inability to shoot the 3, inability to create off the dribble, inability to pass to the open man and create good looks... its a talent and systemic issue not a positionless issue.

That's true, but the talent issue stems from our obsession with positionless basketball. Masai looks at a player's height and wingspan and ends his analysis there. Basketball skills are an afterthought. We need guys who can shoot, dribble, and pass. Whether they are tall or short should be irrelevant.

Miami still had to have actual PGs Vincent or Lowry on the court. And I'm sure they'll try to get a better back-up C than Zeller next year because they are pretty small

[islandboy53]

I want the full rebuild period. I want that 3rd pick +Simmons package for Siakam. With Simmons we can let FVV just walk away. Either Scoot or Miller could be a #1 pick in some other draft year, they are really talented. Scoot has an electrified aura around him, just like Ja or DRose pre-injury. Miller has the length, and shooting that we are trying to build as a team. Those talents will draw fans into the building and forget the past.

Keeping the team together for few more years of repetitive results will drain the fan base, we have been there before. Please don’t make that mistake.

You’d be surprised, I guess, how many fans actually prefer seeing a winning team versus a Raptor version of the process.

[islandboy53]

let's hope Masai is one of those people. Though I guess the fact this is being mentioned this way likely means he isn't.

Or it could be that he's listening to all sides and he'll come to a decision at some point this off season.

Or maybe keep evaluating and pick a direction next deadline

Okey dokey. Come back in a month or so, and we’ll chat more about this alleged lack of direction

[WaltFrazier]

Or it could be that he's listening to all sides and he'll come to a decision at some point this off season.

Or maybe keep evaluating and pick a direction next deadline

Okey dokey. Come back in a month or so, and we’ll chat more about this alleged lack of direction

And every day in between, from now till then.

[Clutch0z24]

I want the full rebuild period. I want that 3rd pick +Simmons package for Siakam. With Simmons we can let FVV just walk away. Either Scoot or Miller could be a #1 pick in some other draft year, they are really talented. Scoot has an electrified aura around him, just like Ja or DRose pre-injury. Miller has the length, and shooting that we are trying to build as a team. Those talents will draw fans into the building and forget the past.

Keeping the team together for few more years of repetitive results will drain the fan base, we have been there before. Please don’t make that mistake.

You’d be surprised, I guess, how many fans actually prefer seeing a winning team versus a Raptor version of the process.

We are not a winning team though we just got bounced by a mid Bulls team and struggled to make the play in game....We are just a mid team ....Not a WINNING team...Idk where people get this idea we are a "Winning" team when we havn't won a playoff series since we had Lowry in the bubble and we beat a bad Nets team to do so....We are not a "Winning" team anymore...

And Siakam/FVV at the helm will never be a winning team

[YogurtProducer]

Therefore by your logic, what was that responding to? Trolling? Unbelievable.

Stop being controlled by your personal biases and being so combative. Maybe smile more. It will do you good. Preposterous.

Didn't answer the question. Maybe stop derailing threads constantly.

This is golden coming from you

[islandboy53]

I want the full rebuild period. I want that 3rd pick +Simmons package for Siakam. With Simmons we can let FVV just walk away. Either Scoot or Miller could be a #1 pick in some other draft year, they are really talented. Scoot has an electrified aura around him, just like Ja or DRose pre-injury. Miller has the length, and shooting that we are trying to build as a team. Those talents will draw fans into the building and forget the past.

Keeping the team together for few more years of repetitive results will drain the fan base, we have been there before. Please don’t make that mistake.

You’d be surprised, I guess, how many fans actually prefer seeing a winning team versus a Raptor version of the process.

We are not a winning team though we just got bounced by a mid Bulls team and struggled to make the play in game....We are just a mid team ....Not a WINNING team...Idk where people get this idea we are a "Winning" team when we havn't won a playoff series since we had Lowry in the bubble and we beat a bad Nets team to do so....We are not a "Winning" team anymore...

And Siakam/FVV at the helm will not ever be a winning team

Last year was frustrating for sure, but tearing it down is not the answer. Moving the right piece, or 2, from that squad, could make us competitive right out of the gate, while giving us room for future improvement and much needed payroll flexibility. The only real question is who moves.