The Official Rudy Gobert thread

[urinesane]

By that logic let's put 4 centers with limited abilities like Gobert on the floor with Ant and let him try to drive and score then. If he can hit shots through that he's the GOAT.

He's not just a rolling big, he's a rolling big who can only catch specific entry passes or lobs, let's not act like he's the best P&R player in the game. He can't even catch the ball half the time.

If you are not happy with 2 centers, then I think we could close down this conversation. It's not about basketball anymore. We are definitely watching two different game I need to get on that girl scout cookie scam.

What.

You going to ignore that fact that your posts were ridiculous and based on a logical fallacy?

Again, not posting is always an option when you don't have anything useful to add (I read way more than I post on here).

[Note30]

If you are not happy with 2 centers, then I think we could close down this conversation. It's not about basketball anymore. We are definitely watching two different game I need to get on that girl scout cookie scam.

What.

You going to ignore that fact that your posts were ridiculous and based on a logical fallacy?

Again, not posting is always an option when you don't have anything useful to add (I read way more than I post on here).

I'll post as much as I want and if want to respond to every post on this sub-forum I will.

Are you going to ignore how head in the sand the original post was? I get your favorite Timberwolf ever at this point is probably Gobert.

[urinesane]

What.

You going to ignore that fact that your posts were ridiculous and based on a logical fallacy?

Again, not posting is always an option when you don't have anything useful to add (I read way more than I post on here).

I'll post as much as I want and if want to respond to every post on this sub-forum I will.

Are you going to ignore how head in the sand the original post was? I get your favorite Timberwolf ever at this point is probably Gobert.

You're boring.

Also, my favorite Wolves are:

KG
Rubio
Brewer
KAT
Ant (though I'm sure he will move up the list over time).

[gandlogo]

Mark Eaton

In a complete overaction to not being able to box out Brandon Clarke, the Wolves in true Minnesota fashion made the worst trade in pro sports history (surpassing the Herschel Walker deal and getting Vikings fans off the schneid). All the moronic Wolves fans constantly whining about small ball and how the Wolves needed to be bigger, without acknowledging that Memphis beat the Wolves by going small. Adams on the bench and Brooks on KAT. Tyus, Bane, and T-Rex arms Clarke beat them. And in the next round Andrew f-ing Wiggins had no problem putting a body on people and getting rebounds against the Griz. It wasn’t a size issue – it was a willingness issue. The small ball Warriors went on to beat the small ball Celtics in the finals.

It’s undisputed the Wolves overpaid when they traded a crazy amount of capital for Mark Eaton. Included in the package to get Mark Eaton was a younger, better, and far cheaper version of Mark Eaton. That alone was an overpay (except for some Wolves fans who argued Eaton was a top-10 player, and some even suggested a top-5, in the ENTIRE league. Many of those same fans had previously argued that KAT was better than Eaton in that 3rd Center spot for All-NBA). So laughable. He’s barely top-4 on the Wolves. Trade a couple picks for an impactful vet? Absolutely. Mortgage the entire future on a worthless relic from eras gone by? Wildly on-brand for the T-Pups.

The ridiculous comments about how bad the Wolves would have been without Eaton when KAT missed 50+ games are 100% off base. You simply can’t assume that KAT would have been injured because the lineups would have been different without Eaton on the team. Missing games? Sure. Hell, he could have torn an ACL. But you can’t say he misses 50+ because of the specific injury he had last season. Further, Walker would have still been on the team (duh) to fill minutes behind Naz and KAT if needed. Pat Bev huge difference over jmac and even DLo in spots. Beasley getting minutes over Nowell would have been far better. Vando plug-and-play into all sorts of lineups. All while adding SloMo? Yes, that team would be significantly better than the failed twin-towers experiment. KAT can’t chase forwards on the perimeter, and Eaton can’t defend modern centers (hell, he didn’t even guard Embid or Joker) or do anything but destroy spacing on offense. The NBA is pace and space, and you can’t do either with Eaton on the floor. Trade him for anything with a pulse and the ability to make a shot.

The trade was a disaster the minute it happened, and no amount of insanely long-winded attempts to justify the reasoning or the result will change that. So, save it. As Tommy Lee Jones said in The Fugitive, I don’t care.

And my apologies to Mark Eaton, who is 4th all-time on the NBA career blocks list. The Wolves version is at best Eaton-lite and is 44th on the same list– ten spots below Benoit Benjamin.

[urinesane]

Mark Eaton

In a complete overaction to not being able to box out Brandon Clarke, the Wolves in true Minnesota fashion made the worst trade in pro sports history (surpassing the Herschel Walker deal and getting Vikings fans off the schneid). All the moronic Wolves fans constantly whining about small ball and how the Wolves needed to be bigger, without acknowledging that Memphis beat the Wolves by going small. Adams on the bench and Brooks on KAT. Tyus, Bane, and T-Rex arms Clarke beat them. And in the next round Andrew f-ing Wiggins had no problem putting a body on people and getting rebounds against the Griz. It wasn’t a size issue – it was a willingness issue. The small ball Warriors went on to beat the small ball Celtics in the finals.

It’s undisputed the Wolves overpaid when they traded a crazy amount of capital for Mark Eaton. Included in the package to get Mark Eaton was a younger, better, and far cheaper version of Mark Eaton. That alone was an overpay (except for some Wolves fans who argued Eaton was a top-10 player, and some even suggested a top-5, in the ENTIRE league. Many of those same fans had previously argued that KAT was better than Eaton in that 3rd Center spot for All-NBA). So laughable. He’s barely top-4 on the Wolves. Trade a couple picks for an impactful vet? Absolutely. Mortgage the entire future on a worthless relic from eras gone by? Wildly on-brand for the T-Pups.

The ridiculous comments about how bad the Wolves would have been without Eaton when KAT missed 50+ games are 100% off base. You simply can’t assume that KAT would have been injured because the lineups would have been different without Eaton on the team. Missing games? Sure. Hell, he could have torn an ACL. But you can’t say he misses 50+ because of the specific injury he had last season. Further, Walker would have still been on the team (duh) to fill minutes behind Naz and KAT if needed. Pat Bev huge difference over jmac and even DLo in spots. Beasley getting minutes over Nowell would have been far better. Vando plug-and-play into all sorts of lineups. All while adding SloMo? Yes, that team would be significantly better than the failed twin-towers experiment. KAT can’t chase forwards on the perimeter, and Eaton can’t defend modern centers (hell, he didn’t even guard Embid or Joker) or do anything but destroy spacing on offense. The NBA is pace and space, and you can’t do either with Eaton on the floor. Trade him for anything with a pulse and the ability to make a shot.

The trade was a disaster the minute it happened, and no amount of insanely long-winded attempts to justify the reasoning or the result will change that. So, save it. As Tommy Lee Jones said in The Fugitive, I don’t care.

And my apologies to Mark Eaton, who is 4th all-time on the NBA career blocks list. The Wolves version is at best Eaton-lite and is 44th on the same list– ten spots below Benoit Benjamin.

That's a lot of typing for a troll post.

[shrink]

Mark Eaton

In a complete overaction to not being able to box out Brandon Clarke, the Wolves in true Minnesota fashion made the worst trade in pro sports history (surpassing the Herschel Walker deal and getting Vikings fans off the schneid). All the moronic Wolves fans constantly whining about small ball and how the Wolves needed to be bigger, without acknowledging that Memphis beat the Wolves by going small. Adams on the bench and Brooks on KAT. Tyus, Bane, and T-Rex arms Clarke beat them. And in the next round Andrew f-ing Wiggins had no problem putting a body on people and getting rebounds against the Griz. It wasn’t a size issue – it was a willingness issue. The small ball Warriors went on to beat the small ball Celtics in the finals.

It’s undisputed the Wolves overpaid when they traded a crazy amount of capital for Mark Eaton. Included in the package to get Mark Eaton was a younger, better, and far cheaper version of Mark Eaton. That alone was an overpay (except for some Wolves fans who argued Eaton was a top-10 player, and some even suggested a top-5, in the ENTIRE league. Many of those same fans had previously argued that KAT was better than Eaton in that 3rd Center spot for All-NBA). So laughable. He’s barely top-4 on the Wolves. Trade a couple picks for an impactful vet? Absolutely. Mortgage the entire future on a worthless relic from eras gone by? Wildly on-brand for the T-Pups.

The ridiculous comments about how bad the Wolves would have been without Eaton when KAT missed 50+ games are 100% off base. You simply can’t assume that KAT would have been injured because the lineups would have been different without Eaton on the team. Missing games? Sure. Hell, he could have torn an ACL. But you can’t say he misses 50+ because of the specific injury he had last season. Further, Walker would have still been on the team (duh) to fill minutes behind Naz and KAT if needed. Pat Bev huge difference over jmac and even DLo in spots. Beasley getting minutes over Nowell would have been far better. Vando plug-and-play into all sorts of lineups. All while adding SloMo? Yes, that team would be significantly better than the failed twin-towers experiment. KAT can’t chase forwards on the perimeter, and Eaton can’t defend modern centers (hell, he didn’t even guard Embid or Joker) or do anything but destroy spacing on offense. The NBA is pace and space, and you can’t do either with Eaton on the floor. Trade him for anything with a pulse and the ability to make a shot.

The trade was a disaster the minute it happened, and no amount of insanely long-winded attempts to justify the reasoning or the result will change that. So, save it. As Tommy Lee Jones said in The Fugitive, I don’t care.

And my apologies to Mark Eaton, who is 4th all-time on the NBA career blocks list. The Wolves version is at best Eaton-lite and is 44th on the same list– ten spots below Benoit Benjamin.

That's a lot of typing for a troll post.

Damn, now without the Gobert trade, Towns might not have been injured!

[urinesane]

The Gobert trade isn't even the worst trade in Wolves history, let alone sports history.

The Wolves gave up 3 LOTTERY picks (LaVine #13, Dunn #5, Markannen #7) to get 69 regular season games out of Butler where they were like .595 winning % in games he played. With 5 playoff games and 1 playoff game win.

Gobert has nearly surpassed that amount of wins already and has brought the same amount of playoff appearances, playoff games, and playoff wins for 4 FRP (that will almost certainly all be outside of the lottery), some vets on short contracts, and a rookie center.

I'll take the 2nd one considering the first deal also cratered the entire franchise and set them back years (and made them a lottery team again).

[TimberKat]

1) Let's put it this way: I think Gobert is at least not helping with Ants drives being more efficient, but I haven't checked the numbers, it's just what the eye test tells me. - Already answered in previous msg

Why not just let KAT stay at the 5 so he can benefit from his quickness compared to the 5s or bulkier 4s trying to guard him on the offensive end? His issue is on D, On offense you can call him a 4 or 5 really doesn't matter. What matters is where he initiate his offense. You all wanted him outside on 3 pt line anyway, so Gobert is not in the way. If you want Towns to do more traditional post up like Chuck said, then there is an argument of not enough space down low

And why not try to bring in a big body backup at the 5 in addition to Towns when he's in foul trouble or for certain matchups (someone like Hartenstein e.g.)? Again Towns problem is defense, so, you switch him out on every player? If he plays the majorities of the minutes than you have to hide him somehow. In the corner is a way to go. That is how he plays with Gibson

And why not try adding a 4 that would be able to physically match up with most of the 5s and hit the occasional 3?
Bam and Giannis is not available. We need star power and I consider Gobert a star. The other good fit would be Horford. I was disappointed we can't use the Dominican connection to bring him in when Phil or OKC unload him. I also was hoping a trade for Sabonis from Pacer. Name a 4 that you think is better? Sorry Lopez, I don't like you. Also don't get hung up who is 4 or 5. Towns really plays like a 4

At least I would have explored that route before spending that amount of assets for a player that didn't fit (at least on paper) with the personel I already have in place.
Again, unfit is your personal opinion or mis-conception

Why would you even move your arguably offensively most gifted player to another position just because of a trade for less talented player? Sure, if basketball is only about shooting or free throws. We really didn't move him to a different position, checkout all the articles about how he and Gibson played together

And finally why would you let your GM who has a below average track record of trades but is known to be very good at finding quality players in the draft trade away most of your draft assets?
I would argue he has very good record building a team. Should they ask you or me instead? We don't know exactly how the decision was made. I am sure they all talk thru it and many people don't have problem with it

This trade did not make sense on so many levels.
Well, I hope to give you some insight into the thinking. They actually draw up many, many plays on how Gobert/Towns work together. I don't think they considered DLo's feeling and how slow the team learns. You hear Finch said multiple times they have to dumb things down for the players

2) Yes, KD, Brown, Booker weren't available at that time. But does that mean you gotta settle for a mediocre deal and questionable fit at best just for the sake of making a trade? Why not just stay put, be patient and wait for a better opportunity?
We didn't settle but going a different direction. Something must be done for us to get pass the second round. Would you call not marring your high school sweetheart settling?

Because the new ownership probably wanted our GM to make a big splashy move no matter what. To me this still screams marketing move to get acknowleged by the national media more than anything else.
The marketing move would had sign Kyrie

So still hate the move, the amount of assets spend, hate the fit. Not hating Gobert.

Questions answered inline in bold

[TimberKat]

Mark Eaton

In a complete overaction to not being able to box out Brandon Clarke, the Wolves in true Minnesota fashion made the worst trade in pro sports history (surpassing the Herschel Walker deal and getting Vikings fans off the schneid). All the moronic Wolves fans constantly whining about small ball and how the Wolves needed to be bigger, without acknowledging that Memphis beat the Wolves by going small. Adams on the bench and Brooks on KAT. Tyus, Bane, and T-Rex arms Clarke beat them. And in the next round Andrew f-ing Wiggins had no problem putting a body on people and getting rebounds against the Griz. It wasn’t a size issue – it was a willingness issue. The small ball Warriors went on to beat the small ball Celtics in the finals.

It’s undisputed the Wolves overpaid when they traded a crazy amount of capital for Mark Eaton. Included in the package to get Mark Eaton was a younger, better, and far cheaper version of Mark Eaton. That alone was an overpay (except for some Wolves fans who argued Eaton was a top-10 player, and some even suggested a top-5, in the ENTIRE league. Many of those same fans had previously argued that KAT was better than Eaton in that 3rd Center spot for All-NBA). So laughable. He’s barely top-4 on the Wolves. Trade a couple picks for an impactful vet? Absolutely. Mortgage the entire future on a worthless relic from eras gone by? Wildly on-brand for the T-Pups.

The ridiculous comments about how bad the Wolves would have been without Eaton when KAT missed 50+ games are 100% off base. You simply can’t assume that KAT would have been injured because the lineups would have been different without Eaton on the team. Missing games? Sure. Hell, he could have torn an ACL. But you can’t say he misses 50+ because of the specific injury he had last season. Further, Walker would have still been on the team (duh) to fill minutes behind Naz and KAT if needed. Pat Bev huge difference over jmac and even DLo in spots. Beasley getting minutes over Nowell would have been far better. Vando plug-and-play into all sorts of lineups. All while adding SloMo? Yes, that team would be significantly better than the failed twin-towers experiment. KAT can’t chase forwards on the perimeter, and Eaton can’t defend modern centers (hell, he didn’t even guard Embid or Joker) or do anything but destroy spacing on offense. The NBA is pace and space, and you can’t do either with Eaton on the floor. Trade him for anything with a pulse and the ability to make a shot.

The trade was a disaster the minute it happened, and no amount of insanely long-winded attempts to justify the reasoning or the result will change that. So, save it. As Tommy Lee Jones said in The Fugitive, I don’t care.

And my apologies to Mark Eaton, who is 4th all-time on the NBA career blocks list. The Wolves version is at best Eaton-lite and is 44th on the same list– ten spots below Benoit Benjamin.

Clever but wrong on many levels

[Folklore]

If you are not happy with 2 centers, then I think we could close down this conversation. It's not about basketball anymore. We are definitely watching two different game I need to get on that girl scout cookie scam.

What.

You going to ignore that fact that your posts were ridiculous and based on a logical fallacy?

Again, not posting is always an option when you don't have anything useful to add (I read way more than I post on here).

Just stop. Even with the extremes in his post the point should have been clear unless someone wants to play dumb and complain about anything.

[Note30]

Mark Eaton

In a complete overaction to not being able to box out Brandon Clarke, the Wolves in true Minnesota fashion made the worst trade in pro sports history (surpassing the Herschel Walker deal and getting Vikings fans off the schneid). All the moronic Wolves fans constantly whining about small ball and how the Wolves needed to be bigger, without acknowledging that Memphis beat the Wolves by going small. Adams on the bench and Brooks on KAT. Tyus, Bane, and T-Rex arms Clarke beat them. And in the next round Andrew f-ing Wiggins had no problem putting a body on people and getting rebounds against the Griz. It wasn’t a size issue – it was a willingness issue. The small ball Warriors went on to beat the small ball Celtics in the finals.

It’s undisputed the Wolves overpaid when they traded a crazy amount of capital for Mark Eaton. Included in the package to get Mark Eaton was a younger, better, and far cheaper version of Mark Eaton. That alone was an overpay (except for some Wolves fans who argued Eaton was a top-10 player, and some even suggested a top-5, in the ENTIRE league. Many of those same fans had previously argued that KAT was better than Eaton in that 3rd Center spot for All-NBA). So laughable. He’s barely top-4 on the Wolves. Trade a couple picks for an impactful vet? Absolutely. Mortgage the entire future on a worthless relic from eras gone by? Wildly on-brand for the T-Pups.

The ridiculous comments about how bad the Wolves would have been without Eaton when KAT missed 50+ games are 100% off base. You simply can’t assume that KAT would have been injured because the lineups would have been different without Eaton on the team. Missing games? Sure. Hell, he could have torn an ACL. But you can’t say he misses 50+ because of the specific injury he had last season. Further, Walker would have still been on the team (duh) to fill minutes behind Naz and KAT if needed. Pat Bev huge difference over jmac and even DLo in spots. Beasley getting minutes over Nowell would have been far better. Vando plug-and-play into all sorts of lineups. All while adding SloMo? Yes, that team would be significantly better than the failed twin-towers experiment. KAT can’t chase forwards on the perimeter, and Eaton can’t defend modern centers (hell, he didn’t even guard Embid or Joker) or do anything but destroy spacing on offense. The NBA is pace and space, and you can’t do either with Eaton on the floor. Trade him for anything with a pulse and the ability to make a shot.

The trade was a disaster the minute it happened, and no amount of insanely long-winded attempts to justify the reasoning or the result will change that. So, save it. As Tommy Lee Jones said in The Fugitive, I don’t care.

And my apologies to Mark Eaton, who is 4th all-time on the NBA career blocks list. The Wolves version is at best Eaton-lite and is 44th on the same list– ten spots below Benoit Benjamin.

That's a lot of typing for a troll post.

If you don't have anything meaningful to add don't post.

[TimberKat]

Mark Eaton

In a complete overaction to not being able to box out Brandon Clarke, the Wolves in true Minnesota fashion made the worst trade in pro sports history (surpassing the Herschel Walker deal and getting Vikings fans off the schneid). All the moronic Wolves fans constantly whining about small ball and how the Wolves needed to be bigger, without acknowledging that Memphis beat the Wolves by going small. Adams on the bench and Brooks on KAT. Tyus, Bane, and T-Rex arms Clarke beat them. And in the next round Andrew f-ing Wiggins had no problem putting a body on people and getting rebounds against the Griz. It wasn’t a size issue – it was a willingness issue. The small ball Warriors went on to beat the small ball Celtics in the finals.

And my apologies to Mark Eaton, who is 4th all-time on the NBA career blocks list. The Wolves version is at best Eaton-lite and is 44th on the same list– ten spots below Benoit Benjamin.

Clever but wrong on many levels

Let me put a few more words in during half time so I don't sound so self-righteous:

It is not an overreaction. Twolves defense sucked all year. They were 20th in rebound differential (-1.7).

Memphis did go small and did win but you fail to understand or explain why they did it and why it worked. They did because that is the best way to defend Towns and it doesn’t cost them interior defense because we had no body inside with 5 outs and we don't post up. It also doesn’t cost them rebounding opportunities because we are so bad on D. So how are you supposed to fix that? We tried other schemes in the past and failed miserably too.

I will admit we lack discipline blocking out on rebounds. However, a big problem also is we play berserker mode wall up D that opens up more rebounds for opponents. So, I loved our P&R defense improvements toward the end of this season.

How is Celtics playing small ball when they started Horford and R Williams III two center? Since small ball is the only way to win, DEN should trade away Jokic and 76ers should trade away Embiid. Let’s find the next Green, Curry, Thompson because they were the only ones had success. I don’t even know why KD (who’s a 7 footer) joined that team. He got in the way of Green and Curry and was totally useless.

The rest of the post falls into the "I don't care" bucket.

For those who doesn’t know Eaton and Little Ben, Here are their stats compare with Gobert’s:
Eaton: 11yrs, 7.9RB, 3.5Blk, 6pts
Benoit: 15 yrs, 7.5RB, 2BLK, 11.4pts
Gobert: 10 yrs, 11.6RB, 2.1BLK, 12.5pts
I supposed Mark Eaton doesn’t cares. He already made up his mind that he is the best center ever played for Jazz.

[minimus]

Guys, where I can find Gobert rim deterrence stats?

[Krapinsky]

The Gobert trade isn't even the worst trade in Wolves history, let alone sports history.

The Wolves gave up 3 LOTTERY picks (LaVine #13, Dunn #5, Markannen #7) to get 69 regular season games out of Butler where they were like .595 winning % in games he played. With 5 playoff games and 1 playoff game win.

Gobert has nearly surpassed that amount of wins already and has brought the same amount of playoff appearances, playoff games, and playoff wins for 4 FRP (that will almost certainly all be outside of the lottery), some vets on short contracts, and a rookie center.

I'll take the 2nd one considering the first deal also cratered the entire franchise and set them back years (and made them a lottery team again).

I though this was a funny way of looking at it. Butler was here for a short while, sure, but he still had trade value when we forced his way out and we traded him. That trade was unfortunate, because Thibs got a crap deal from Philadelphia when there with better offers out there (just without the win-now veterans that Thibs wanted back).

At this point does Gobert even have positive value? Would someone absorb his contract into cap space and give us a first round pick back? I would hope so, but I'm not sure about that.

[minimus]

The Gobert trade isn't even the worst trade in Wolves history, let alone sports history.

The Wolves gave up 3 LOTTERY picks (LaVine #13, Dunn #5, Markannen #7) to get 69 regular season games out of Butler where they were like .595 winning % in games he played. With 5 playoff games and 1 playoff game win.

Gobert has nearly surpassed that amount of wins already and has brought the same amount of playoff appearances, playoff games, and playoff wins for 4 FRP (that will almost certainly all be outside of the lottery), some vets on short contracts, and a rookie center.

I'll take the 2nd one considering the first deal also cratered the entire franchise and set them back years (and made them a lottery team again).

I though this was a funny way of looking at it. Butler was here for a short while, sure, but he still had trade value when we forced his way out and we traded him. That trade was unfortunate, because Thibs got a crap deal from Philadelphia when there with better offers out there (just without the win-now veterans that Thibs wanted back).

Thibs ignored whole Butler's situation until Jimmy started to actively hurt team. But even after Thibs was trying to sabotage trade negotiations. It was clear after playoff exit that something was wrong, if trade happened at the beginning of off-season when teams had more assets AND MIN had less pressure we could a much better trade offers.

[urinesane]

The Gobert trade isn't even the worst trade in Wolves history, let alone sports history.

The Wolves gave up 3 LOTTERY picks (LaVine #13, Dunn #5, Markannen #7) to get 69 regular season games out of Butler where they were like .595 winning % in games he played. With 5 playoff games and 1 playoff game win.

Gobert has nearly surpassed that amount of wins already and has brought the same amount of playoff appearances, playoff games, and playoff wins for 4 FRP (that will almost certainly all be outside of the lottery), some vets on short contracts, and a rookie center.

I'll take the 2nd one considering the first deal also cratered the entire franchise and set them back years (and made them a lottery team again).

I though this was a funny way of looking at it. Butler was here for a short while, sure, but he still had trade value when we forced his way out and we traded him. That trade was unfortunate, because Thibs got a crap deal from Philadelphia when there with better offers out there (just without the win-now veterans that Thibs wanted back).

At this point does Gobert even have positive value? Would someone absorb his contract into cap space and give us a first round pick back? I would hope so, but I'm not sure about that.

We traded the above to get a Butler 74 game rental and Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless and a 2nd round pick. There may have been better deals out there, but it doesn't matter, that's what happened. Same with arguing about what lower price we could have acquired Rudy for, they don't matter because they didn't happen. We have to judge all of this based on what happened (and what happens in the future in regards to the Gobert part).

Does Gobert have positive value? Come on now, I understand people get wrapped up in perceptions vs reality, but there are plenty of teams that understand Gobert's value on a team (and that it's very positive).

Will teams say that publicly? Hell no. There's no incentive for other teams to raise/maintain the perceived value for a player, but there is massive incentive to diminish their perceived value. If you talk smack through "sources" you may actually get rubes to believe that Rudy has negative value and you can possibly then get him for pennies on the dollar.

Would other teams have spent as much to acquire him? Probably not, but that doesn't mean he wasn't worth getting (even if they overpaid). Just because something isn't worth $1,000 that doesn't mean it's suddenly worth -$100. The perceived value/price of something is not set in stone, and the goal here isn't to acquire assets at a discount to sell at a markup later. The goal was to get someone that makes an impact on this team winning and becoming a consistent winner. They accomplished that with Rudy, it cost A LOT, but I'd rather take a known quantity like Gobert, than hoping that Kessler, 3 role players, and 4 FRP turn us into a consistent winner.

Rudy Gobert on the Wolves isn't Russell Westbrook on the Lakers. Just because he wasn't DPOY doesn't mean that all of a sudden he has negative value. Without Gobert last season, this team does not make the playoffs, period. Running it back would have been fine with me, but if KAT had gone down for 50+ games with that roster, we would have been a lottery team (which would have been much worse for this team/franchise).

Unless Gobert suddenly becomes a selfish **** and demands out, there's no way this trade will be worse than the Butler one ended up being for the franchise. FRP are overrated, Gobert is an impact player, just not in the ways that make for the most entertaining basketball to the majority of NBA fans. He moves the needle when it comes to winning and most importantly raises the floor of the team, so that outside of major injury issues, they will be competitive and playing meaningful games after the All-Star break (which way too few Wolves teams have done in our history).

[TimberKat]

Unless Gobert suddenly becomes a selfish **** and demands out, there's no way this trade will be worse than the Butler one ended up being for the franchise. FRP are overrated, Gobert is an impact player, just not in the ways that make for the most entertaining basketball to the majority of NBA fans. He moves the needle when it comes to winning and most importantly raises the floor of the team, so that outside of major injury issues, they will be competitive and playing meaningful games after the All-Star break (which way too few Wolves teams have done in our history).

I love the Butler trade when it happened and I know there were people on this board against it. I don't understand why Thib would pull the trigger if they didn't get commitment that Butler would stay. I think worse is the Joe Smith "trade" which cost 4 1st round picks for 2 years of very average service.

[Klomp]

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[TimberKat]

I feel the same way as ARod. Hopefully, Ant and Gobert will figure it out in France with some wine and Chester Fries