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Post#121 » by M2J » Wed May 31, 2023 8:18 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:Stephen A Smith on his podcast said the majority of the 76ers are rejoicing Rivers is gone. He was not very well liked. It’s a trend now. Only rondo has spoken fondly of him and that buffalo Perkins. The clippers players in Los angles he coached despised him


It being a trend is certainly overstated considering his relationship with Joel. Kawhi saying he went to the clippers over Lakers due to Rivers, etc. The clippers stuff came from him building a hard nosed culture and adding 2 divas to them, and that team imploded due to George having a breakdown in the bubble. I'd say Harden became a leader of the 76ers locker room and also a diva

I think it was time for Rivers and this team to part ways, but he wasn't the main reason the Sixers lost. Harden in all 4 losses had "impossible to win with" type games. But by the end of the season, rotations were about as good as they could get with this roster, and style of play.... Player to player was good except they had that side agenda of making Joel the MVP. But if Harden is unhappy being a playmaker first, then he really needs to go destroy the rockets rebuild. I'm wholly convinced that the 76ers would be better with a 2 way pg in Harden's place, and running different offense. With the intent of hoping Maxey can become a next level offensive talent less reliant on being setup by Harden. Their (Sixers) only chance with Harden is with him being a 3rd option with better defensive focus... But a trade exception even for Harden would bump Morey up in my eyes as a GM
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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#122 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed May 31, 2023 9:58 am

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rocketsfan100 wrote:Stephen A Smith on his podcast said the majority of the 76ers are rejoicing Rivers is gone. He was not very well liked. It’s a trend now. Only rondo has spoken fondly of him and that buffalo Perkins. The clippers players in Los angles he coached despised him


It being a trend is certainly overstated considering his relationship with Joel. Kawhi saying he went to the clippers over Lakers due to Rivers, etc. The clippers stuff came from him building a hard nosed culture and adding 2 divas to them, and that team imploded due to George having a breakdown in the bubble. I'd say Harden became a leader of the 76ers locker room and also a diva

I think it was time for Rivers and this team to part ways, but he wasn't the main reason the Sixers lost. Harden in all 4 losses had "impossible to win with" type games. But by the end of the season, rotations were about as good as they could get with this roster, and style of play.... Player to player was good except they had that side agenda of making Joel the MVP. But if Harden is unhappy being a playmaker first, then he really needs to go destroy the rockets rebuild. I'm wholly convinced that the 76ers would be better with a 2 way pg in Harden's place, and running different offense. With the intent of hoping Maxey can become a next level offensive talent less reliant on being setup by Harden. Their (Sixers) only chance with Harden is with him being a 3rd option with better defensive focus... But a trade exception even for Harden would bump Morey up in my eyes as a GM

Paul George and Kawhi blasted him for lack of adjustments after the clippers lost to Denver before the clippers let him go. It’s a trend bro. Harden is gone so don’t worry the Sixers chances will be much better without him. Harden to Houston is the worst kept secret in the nba .Don’t get your hopes up about Houston giving the Sixers the trade exemption. They are under no obligation to do so. They can use that in separate deals to improve their team around harden and the likes of Sengun . They can sign harden outright
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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#123 » by Wilfried » Wed May 31, 2023 10:01 am

Harden won us 2 games against Celtics, almost on his own.

Who else on this roster can say that?

I understand we should really think about what type of money and what duration you offer him. But the guy was still top 15 in the league this season and like I said, he won 2 games against the Celtics.

We will lose a lot too if he leaves.

To me, we have an upgrade on coaching, the only thing that's left is removing Harris' albatross contract for 2 3&D type of players that can heat up for 20 points every given night (like Martin, Brown, ...). Than you have a team that's really can compete.

Btw: keep Reed and McDaniels. They have real value
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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#124 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed May 31, 2023 10:42 am

The Sixers have a path to be major player in the 2024 free agency market so it’s not all lost. Let Harris expire and go into the 2024 with a near max slot.
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Post#125 » by Wilfried » Wed May 31, 2023 11:02 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:The Sixers have a path to be major player in the 2024 free agency market so it’s not all lost. Let Harris expire and go into the 2024 with a near max slot.


Maxey will be paid then, so no, there's no max money available than.

And we're not really known as a very attractive FA destination
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Post#126 » by mjkvol » Wed May 31, 2023 1:24 pm

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rocketsfan100 wrote:Stephen A Smith on his podcast said the majority of the 76ers are rejoicing Rivers is gone. He was not very well liked. It’s a trend now. Only rondo has spoken fondly of him and that buffalo Perkins. The clippers players in Los angles he coached despised him


Lmao. Not shocking. Doc is gives off the “smartest guy in the room” vibe everywhere. And as much as I despise most of the media he would talk to them in such a condescending manner as if he was their father/coach/gym teacher.

Ever since he was hired I felt this revved up unconscious distancing of my fandom from the team. Couldn’t put my finger on it but the vibes were cheeks as the kids would say. Nevermind summer of ‘19, but Doc Rivers? Dwight Howard? Kate Scott? Even Daryl Morey to a degree. What the hell was this team turning into?


Damn, our experience in the last few years is identical. I hated the hire at the time, it just felt like the classic retread hire, and I never liked Rivers' tendency to talk too much to the media from his days as a player.

But just the whole thing, as you said, with Zu leaving and it being impossible to watch a broadcast - I couldn't do it this year, only watched when the playoffs started. I liked the Morey hire and some things he did, but the way he catered to Rivers with some of the players signed and young players dumped soured me on him somewhat.

Rivers, to me, can be summed up in the PC where he defended his record by actually trashing his teams and making excuses, and especially the Pop reference. Guy is arrogant and insecure, a terrible combination for a coach, with no ability to look in the mirror and see any problems. Gave me Andy Reid vibes from his endless stay here, but didn't even give Reid's empty "I have to do a better job" line.

I'm not a bit surprised the players didn't like him - why on earth would a young guy trying to find a place in the league have any use for him? - and was disappointed he was brought back for this season, as it pretty much ensured we weren't going any farther.

Really does feel like a brand new beginning.
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Post#127 » by Iverson Armband » Wed May 31, 2023 1:35 pm

Nurse is still a retread, but whatever he’s better than Rivers. Who the coach is won’t matter if your best players turtle up anyway.
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Post#128 » by Arsenal » Wed May 31, 2023 1:44 pm

Wilfried wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:The Sixers have a path to be major player in the 2024 free agency market so it’s not all lost. Let Harris expire and go into the 2024 with a near max slot.


Maxey will be paid then, so no, there's no max money available than.

And we're not really known as a very attractive FA destination


Wrong. Maxey will have a $13M RFA cap hold. We can use the cap space first, then re-sign him up to the MAX. That is what we should do if Harden leaves.
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Post#129 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 31, 2023 2:12 pm

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Embiid has to be the guy crashing the boards because lord knows he's not going to be able to sprint back on defense every defensive possession. I think there's promise to the Embiid/Reed lineup.

Harden also doesn't really sprint back on defense.
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Post#130 » by GoSixersBro » Wed May 31, 2023 2:36 pm

I wouldn't throw Nurse into the retread category seeing he's only been with one other team and his HC experience is 5 seasons.

Doc, Bud, Vogel, MDA are true retreads.

I was uneasy going with the new guy route a bit (Jay Wright, Sam Cassell, Redick (hell no)). So Nurse is right in the middle and other than Kawhi never was being served All-Stars/HoF'ers on a silver platter like Glenn.
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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#131 » by M2J » Wed May 31, 2023 3:11 pm

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rocketsfan100 wrote:Stephen A Smith on his podcast said the majority of the 76ers are rejoicing Rivers is gone. He was not very well liked. It’s a trend now. Only rondo has spoken fondly of him and that buffalo Perkins. The clippers players in Los angles he coached despised him


It being a trend is certainly overstated considering his relationship with Joel. Kawhi saying he went to the clippers over Lakers due to Rivers, etc. The clippers stuff came from him building a hard nosed culture and adding 2 divas to them, and that team imploded due to George having a breakdown in the bubble. I'd say Harden became a leader of the 76ers locker room and also a diva

I think it was time for Rivers and this team to part ways, but he wasn't the main reason the Sixers lost. Harden in all 4 losses had "impossible to win with" type games. But by the end of the season, rotations were about as good as they could get with this roster, and style of play.... Player to player was good except they had that side agenda of making Joel the MVP. But if Harden is unhappy being a playmaker first, then he really needs to go destroy the rockets rebuild. I'm wholly convinced that the 76ers would be better with a 2 way pg in Harden's place, and running different offense. With the intent of hoping Maxey can become a next level offensive talent less reliant on being setup by Harden. Their (Sixers) only chance with Harden is with him being a 3rd option with better defensive focus... But a trade exception even for Harden would bump Morey up in my eyes as a GM

Paul George and Kawhi blasted him for lack of adjustments after the clippers lost to Denver before the clippers let him go. It’s a trend bro. Harden is gone so don’t worry the Sixers chances will be much better without him. Harden to Houston is the worst kept secret in the nba .Don’t get your hopes up about Houston giving the Sixers the trade exemption. They are under no obligation to do so. They can use that in separate deals to improve their team around harden and the likes of Sengun . They can sign harden outright


Yes... Enjoy

But I don't recall Leonard saying anything like that and George pulled a James Harden to avoid taking blame for his own poor performance.... Which everything he said was statically a lie:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/paul-george-says-doc-rivers-misused-him-in-clippers-offense-failed-to-adjust-while-blowing-3-1-lead-to-denver/

Much like Harden pretending like his playmaking role adjustment is what prevents him from scoring 30 a night, when he's really just older and that role is the only way he can help a team.
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Post#132 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 31, 2023 4:05 pm

The rebounding aspect is intriguing for Paul Reed reasons, but also Jaden Springer. Dude always plays hard and crashes the boards when given a chance. Melton too. I imagine we're going to see a healthy rotation of Maxey, Melton, Springer at the 1 and 2 next year.

The question will be the 3, as it always is. McDaniels and House fit the effort play, but they're average players. Tucker too, but I don't know if we're keeping him around. I'm predicting Tobi is gone, so there could be options via that trade. I do think Louis King is going to get a look in training camp this summer to be involved in the rotation. Otherwise we're gonna need to find someone in free agency.
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Post#133 » by Arsenal » Wed May 31, 2023 6:08 pm

Negrodamus wrote:The rebounding aspect is intriguing for Paul Reed reasons, but also Jaden Springer. Dude always plays hard and crashes the boards when given a chance. Melton too. I imagine we're going to see a healthy rotation of Maxey, Melton, Springer at the 1 and 2 next year.

The question will be the 3, as it always is. McDaniels and House fit the effort play, but they're average players. Tucker too, but I don't know if we're keeping him around. I'm predicting Tobi is gone, so there could be options via that trade. I do think Louis King is going to get a look in training camp this summer to be involved in the rotation. Otherwise we're gonna need to find someone in free agency.


It's imperative for us to get rid of Tucker if Harden leaves. We can't have his $11M on the books next summer when we'll need open cap room.

I'd like to see McDaniels resigned assuming it doesn't break the bank. Somewhere around $7-8M per year. Then give him the first shot at starting with big mins to see what he can do.

Louis King also needs to get a shot as a backup wing.

Potentially cheap FA wing options include Torrey Craig, Joe Ingles, Jae Crowder, and TJ Warren.
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Post#134 » by FireMorey » Wed May 31, 2023 6:20 pm

Looks like Pistons are locked in on Monty Williams.
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Post#135 » by Arsenal » Wed May 31, 2023 6:27 pm

Hopefully someone hires Glenn so we're not on the hook for the remaining $16M on his contract. Although the owner would probably just pocket it instead of spending it lol.
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Post#136 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed May 31, 2023 10:32 pm

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It being a trend is certainly overstated considering his relationship with Joel. Kawhi saying he went to the clippers over Lakers due to Rivers, etc. The clippers stuff came from him building a hard nosed culture and adding 2 divas to them, and that team imploded due to George having a breakdown in the bubble. I'd say Harden became a leader of the 76ers locker room and also a diva

I think it was time for Rivers and this team to part ways, but he wasn't the main reason the Sixers lost. Harden in all 4 losses had "impossible to win with" type games. But by the end of the season, rotations were about as good as they could get with this roster, and style of play.... Player to player was good except they had that side agenda of making Joel the MVP. But if Harden is unhappy being a playmaker first, then he really needs to go destroy the rockets rebuild. I'm wholly convinced that the 76ers would be better with a 2 way pg in Harden's place, and running different offense. With the intent of hoping Maxey can become a next level offensive talent less reliant on being setup by Harden. Their (Sixers) only chance with Harden is with him being a 3rd option with better defensive focus... But a trade exception even for Harden would bump Morey up in my eyes as a GM

Paul George and Kawhi blasted him for lack of adjustments after the clippers lost to Denver before the clippers let him go. It’s a trend bro. Harden is gone so don’t worry the Sixers chances will be much better without him. Harden to Houston is the worst kept secret in the nba .Don’t get your hopes up about Houston giving the Sixers the trade exemption. They are under no obligation to do so. They can use that in separate deals to improve their team around harden and the likes of Sengun . They can sign harden outright


Yes... Enjoy

But I don't recall Leonard saying anything like that and George pulled a James Harden to avoid taking blame for his own poor performance.... Which everything he said was statically a lie:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/paul-george-says-doc-rivers-misused-him-in-clippers-offense-failed-to-adjust-while-blowing-3-1-lead-to-denver/

Much like Harden pretending like his playmaking role adjustment is what prevents him from scoring 30 a night, when he's really just older and that role is the only way he can help a team.

Rashers Wallace is lying to. Jj Redik as well. Tracy McGrady to…
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Post#137 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed May 31, 2023 10:33 pm

Arsenal wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:The rebounding aspect is intriguing for Paul Reed reasons, but also Jaden Springer. Dude always plays hard and crashes the boards when given a chance. Melton too. I imagine we're going to see a healthy rotation of Maxey, Melton, Springer at the 1 and 2 next year.

The question will be the 3, as it always is. McDaniels and House fit the effort play, but they're average players. Tucker too, but I don't know if we're keeping him around. I'm predicting Tobi is gone, so there could be options via that trade. I do think Louis King is going to get a look in training camp this summer to be involved in the rotation. Otherwise we're gonna need to find someone in free agency.


It's imperative for us to get rid of Tucker if Harden leaves. We can't have his $11M on the books next summer when we'll need open cap room.

I'd like to see McDaniels resigned assuming it doesn't break the bank. Somewhere around $7-8M per year. Then give him the first shot at starting with big mins to see what he can do.

Louis King also needs to get a shot as a backup wing.

Potentially cheap FA wing options include Torrey Craig, Joe Ingles, Jae Crowder, and TJ Warren.


Tucker will have a market. He played well in the playoffs.plus nurse likes the likes of Tucker. I can see him thriving under Nurse
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Post#138 » by brannigan73 » Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:38 am

Iverson Armband wrote:Nurse is still a retread, but whatever he’s better than Rivers. Who the coach is won’t matter if your best players turtle up anyway.



I guess by your defention you have to have never been fired to not be a re-tread? Nick Nurse has the same amount of titles that Doc did in 1000 years in 5 years. He's a very good coach. Toronto was foolish to fire him. They have a disjointed roster with tons of similar players and not enough solid outside shooting.
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Post#139 » by M2J » Thu Jun 1, 2023 5:34 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:
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rocketsfan100 wrote:Paul George and Kawhi blasted him for lack of adjustments after the clippers lost to Denver before the clippers let him go. It’s a trend bro. Harden is gone so don’t worry the Sixers chances will be much better without him. Harden to Houston is the worst kept secret in the nba .Don’t get your hopes up about Houston giving the Sixers the trade exemption. They are under no obligation to do so. They can use that in separate deals to improve their team around harden and the likes of Sengun . They can sign harden outright


Yes... Enjoy

But I don't recall Leonard saying anything like that and George pulled a James Harden to avoid taking blame for his own poor performance.... Which everything he said was statically a lie:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/paul-george-says-doc-rivers-misused-him-in-clippers-offense-failed-to-adjust-while-blowing-3-1-lead-to-denver/

Much like Harden pretending like his playmaking role adjustment is what prevents him from scoring 30 a night, when he's really just older and that role is the only way he can help a team.

Rashers Wallace is lying to. Jj Redik as well. Tracy McGrady to…


Tracy? Reddick?

Are you saying that you actually believe Harden's garbage about a coach making him look old by playing him to his best skillset at 34? Did he make him choke in Houston too?
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Post#140 » by Iverson Armband » Thu Jun 1, 2023 7:21 am

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Iverson Armband wrote:Nurse is still a retread, but whatever he’s better than Rivers. Who the coach is won’t matter if your best players turtle up anyway.



I guess by your defention you have to have never been fired to not be a re-tread? Nick Nurse has the same amount of titles that Doc did in 1000 years in 5 years. He's a very good coach. Toronto was foolish to fire him. They have a disjointed roster with tons of similar players and not enough solid outside shooting.

I think Masai Ujiri knows more about coaching in the NBA than you do, but hey.
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