Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[Triple7]

They've tried for 6 straight years putting various supporting casts around Tatum, Brown and Smart and they haven't won. It's time for a change.

lol not really. This was only the 2nd year that those 3 guys have been THE core of the team, with supporting pieces around them.

The year before that, Brown was out for the playoffs - and we still had Kemba on a max contract, as a core piece (who couldn't defend to save his life).

Before that we had some combination of Kemba/Kyrie/Hayward/IT as a core piece, with the Jays not yet in their prime and Smart was merely a supporting piece.

Over the past 2 years, we went to the NBA finals (the first 2 years of Tatum/Brown's prime) we went to the NBA finals and came up just 1 game short of the NBA finals - both times with a rookie head coach... That's pretty darn good!

Look, the Jays are still young. Their average age is 25.5 right now. If you look at the last 18 teams to win a title and look at the average age of each team's 2 best players, here's what we see...

-Youngest pairing = average age of 26, which is older than Tatum and Brown right now (2015 warriors, with Curry and Klay)
-Average age of the 18 pairings = 29.4, which is much older than the Jays are right now

The window to win titles starts next season.

Hal is on record boys. Celtics are still young but next year if they don't have a title it won't be because of their age!!!

Nevermind that Brown can't dribble, Tatum can't figure out how to beat a double team and Smart can't shoot to save his life!!!

Something tells me all of the above will still be Hal.take next year when they get bounced before the ECF.

Same coach. Same core next year. Guess what’s the result gonna be???? Lol

[Triple7]

I don’t mind taking too many threes. That’s just the NBA today and you have to adapt. But there’s a difference with how the Warriors, Nuggets, Kings, Heat get their threes and how the Cs do it. I wish we had available data, but if I had to guess, players shoot a higher percentage via multiple passes vs. one-pass or no-pass possessions. Diversify the offense.

Commit to ball/player movement and defense. Prioritize team play and BBIQ. Replace/acquire players accordingly.

Plus those team mixes it up. Like the Kings for example. Fox constantly attacks and put pressure on D. He can shoot the 3, but takes tons of higher percentage mid ranges. Plus they have an above average post up player in Sabonis. We don’t have that. The Jays have poor to average handles at best. They even hard time dribbling past their defenders. Same thing with the nuggets, warriors and heat. They mix it up. If we are having a bad shooting game, we usually panic and lose. The fact is we are a 3pt chucking team. That’s why our bigs won’t even look at the basket when getting a pass inside, instead tries to look for an open man beyond the arc. If they run the same core and coach, nothing will change. Treadmill is what this team will be.

[Hal14]

lol not really. This was only the 2nd year that those 3 guys have been THE core of the team, with supporting pieces around them.

The year before that, Brown was out for the playoffs - and we still had Kemba on a max contract, as a core piece (who couldn't defend to save his life).

Before that we had some combination of Kemba/Kyrie/Hayward/IT as a core piece, with the Jays not yet in their prime and Smart was merely a supporting piece.

Over the past 2 years, we went to the NBA finals (the first 2 years of Tatum/Brown's prime) we went to the NBA finals and came up just 1 game short of the NBA finals - both times with a rookie head coach... That's pretty darn good!

Look, the Jays are still young. Their average age is 25.5 right now. If you look at the last 18 teams to win a title and look at the average age of each team's 2 best players, here's what we see...

-Youngest pairing = average age of 26, which is older than Tatum and Brown right now (2015 warriors, with Curry and Klay)
-Average age of the 18 pairings = 29.4, which is much older than the Jays are right now

The window to win titles starts next season.

Hal is on record boys. Celtics are still young but next year if they don't have a title it won't be because of their age!!!

Nevermind that Brown can't dribble, Tatum can't figure out how to beat a double team and Smart can't shoot to save his life!!!

Something tells me all of the above will still be Hal.take next year when they get bounced before the ECF.

Same coach. Same core next year. Guess what’s the result gonna be???? Lol

Perhaps the result will be the same as the Bucks in 2021..

[Triple7]

Just the thought of Marcus Smart shooting more, makes me wish they trade him in the next 24 hours.
Stop the Evil before it is born...

Yes please!

[ISOheavy23]

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[Triple7]

Read on Twitter

“Ime gets fired, Rob Williams goes down, if you asked anyone at that point, ‘Hey if the Celtics get to the seventh game of the East finals, will this year be a success?’ they’d say yes. Of course,” the exec said last weekend. “Now, you want to fire the coach? Or better yet, you want to trade one of the best 15 players in the game? They will trade Jaylen Brown—if they have to. If he says, ‘I am not staying here.’ But not before that. He’d have to ask out.

“What do you think you’re gonna get for Jaylen that is gonna improve you? Trae Young? Jordan Poole? Throw out a name, and the answer is almost definitely, no. No, it’s not there. Giannis (Antetokounmpo), (Nikola) Jokic, Luka (Doncic). Maybe those guys. But really, no one else.”



It's common sense. This forum needs someone to kick around. For many years it was Marcus Smart, now it's Jaylen Brown. Would be interesting to see if Smart and Brown were gone who the next player would be that this forum would kick around.

100% guarantee it would be someone.

Who cares? Better than running it back exactly the same.
Joe has shown he doesn’t care much about defense than trying to outscore our opponent jacking up 3’s. our offense with Joe is to jack up as many 3’s possible.
That’s fine in the regular season, when you have a good 3pt shooting bench players like hauser, PP, grant and muscala. The problem during the playoffs, joe plays 8 guys.
Two starters Smart And Brown are poor shooters. Tatum, Horf and brog are too inconsistent. Rob ain’t a shooter. We don’t have a good 3pt shooting team. 3 guys can’t shoot, and the next 4 guys in the rotation are too inconsistent, and we keep jacking up 3’s. We don’t have an inside game. Almost zero mid ranges. Especially since brown can’t even go there without losing the ball.

[Triple7]

Hal is on record boys. Celtics are still young but next year if they don't have a title it won't be because of their age!!!

Nevermind that Brown can't dribble, Tatum can't figure out how to beat a double team and Smart can't shoot to save his life!!!

Something tells me all of the above will still be Hal.take next year when they get bounced before the ECF.

Same coach. Same core next year. Guess what’s the result gonna be???? Lol

Perhaps the result will be the same as the Bucks in 2021..

Same year they added Jrue to get them over the hump.

[Hal14]

Same coach. Same core next year. Guess what’s the result gonna be???? Lol

Perhaps the result will be the same as the Bucks in 2021..

Same year they added Jrue to get them over the hump.

We already have our Jrue - 2 of them actually (white and smart).

[Cuban Pete]

Well, so far no one has been fired. I guess Wic is happy just being in the running. Profits baby. Hal and Jacobs feel the same way about their teams.

[TheMartian]

I don’t mind taking too many threes. That’s just the NBA today and you have to adapt. But there’s a difference with how the Warriors, Nuggets, Kings, Heat get their threes and how the Cs do it. I wish we had available data, but if I had to guess, players shoot a higher percentage via multiple passes vs. one-pass or no-pass possessions. Diversify the offense.

Commit to ball/player movement and defense. Prioritize team play and BBIQ. Replace/acquire players accordingly.

Plus those team mixes it up. Like the Kings for example. Fox constantly attacks and put pressure on D. He can shoot the 3, but takes tons of higher percentage mid ranges. Plus they have an above average post up player in Sabonis. We don’t have that. The Jays have poor to average handles at best. They even hard time dribbling past their defenders. Same thing with the nuggets, warriors and heat. They mix it up. If we are having a bad shooting game, we usually panic and lose. The fact is we are a 3pt chucking team. That’s why our bigs won’t even look at the basket when getting a pass inside, instead tries to look for an open man beyond the arc. If they run the same core and coach, nothing will change. Treadmill is what this team will be.

Totally agree. Oddly enough, this team's defense is now contingent on them hitting their shots. What's worse is, they are too reliant on the 3 point shot. They have no offense outside of shooting the 3. Even when the ball gets moved, they usually end up with a 3. Last year's team under Ime put an emphasis on defense, such that when their offense is stagnant, they keep the other team in check. Unfortunately, Joe finds nothing wrong with his offensive scheme (note the singular term, not plural) and looks to be even proud of it. No focus on defense.

Don't know if the team can afford Joe to learn head coaching skills during their contention window. Sure he made adjustments which allowed the team to come back from 0-3, but ultimately Joe should have known Spo will throw the zone at them and based on the results, the Celtics just didn't seem prepared and had no answers.

[FlatearthZorro]

Just the thought of Marcus Smart shooting more, makes me wish they trade him in the next 24 hours.
Stop the Evil before it is born...

Yes please!

I think people don't realize how much we've helped Smart's career, I doubt any other player who shoots in the mid 30s from the field in his first 3 years makes it to the 4th.
I wouldn't mind him getting traded at all and that's after he had a pretty decent playoff run.

[GoCeltics123]

No one is untouchable that's not named Tatum but making a panic trade will kill this franchise.

If you't trading Jaylen, it has to be for something good. The only trade I'd maybe do that's possible right now is Simons and 3. Outside of that, no realistic trade intrigues me, because Dame isn't asking out and neither is Embiid.

Also, I doubt Jaylen wants to stay in Portland, so I don't think they offer 3 and Simons.

For Smart, again, what are you getting? Would have to be filling a need, like for a legit big. Same with Derrick White, who I REALLY don't want to move.

Would rather move Al than Rob at this point personally but I understand if people would rather move Rob.

The obvious guy to move to me is Brogdon. I think there'll be options to replace a guy like him this offseason and I don't think he fit as well as people like to act like he did

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/boston-celtics-land-karl-anthony-towns-in-a-much-needed-trade-scenario-and-create-a-big-three-this-summer/ar-AA1bWhvY?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=ffcfe4ec6c4d4f9b8305b91eedf75fb3&ei=6

Fake trade #2021

Boston Celtics Receive: Karl-Anthony Towns

Minnesota Timberwolves Receive: Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Derrick White, 2024 First-Round Pick, 2026 First-Round Pick

Replace Brogdon with one of Smart/White and I would give it some thought.

Why not just Brown and Rob for KAT and change where needed?

[GoCeltics123]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/boston-celtics-land-karl-anthony-towns-in-a-much-needed-trade-scenario-and-create-a-big-three-this-summer/ar-AA1bWhvY?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=ffcfe4ec6c4d4f9b8305b91eedf75fb3&ei=6

Fake trade #2021

Boston Celtics Receive: Karl-Anthony Towns

Minnesota Timberwolves Receive: Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Derrick White, 2024 First-Round Pick, 2026 First-Round Pick

Replace Brogdon with one of Smart/White and I would give it some thought.

Why not just Brown and Rob for KAT and change where needed?

KAT is not what this team needs at all

That’s a panic move that kills the franchise

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/boston-celtics-land-karl-anthony-towns-in-a-much-needed-trade-scenario-and-create-a-big-three-this-summer/ar-AA1bWhvY?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=ffcfe4ec6c4d4f9b8305b91eedf75fb3&ei=6

Fake trade #2021

Boston Celtics Receive: Karl-Anthony Towns

Minnesota Timberwolves Receive: Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Derrick White, 2024 First-Round Pick, 2026 First-Round Pick

Replace Brogdon with one of Smart/White and I would give it some thought.

Why not just Brown and Rob for KAT and change where needed?

KAT is not what this team needs at all

That’s a panic move that kills the franchise

I agree we shouldn’t be pursuing KAT….but if we did I’d rather it be for JB and Rob than Rob, Smart,White and draft assets is my point.

[Triple7]

No one is untouchable that's not named Tatum but making a panic trade will kill this franchise.

If you't trading Jaylen, it has to be for something good. The only trade I'd maybe do that's possible right now is Simons and 3. Outside of that, no realistic trade intrigues me, because Dame isn't asking out and neither is Embiid.

Also, I doubt Jaylen wants to stay in Portland, so I don't think they offer 3 and Simons.

For Smart, again, what are you getting? Would have to be filling a need, like for a legit big. Same with Derrick White, who I REALLY don't want to move.

Would rather move Al than Rob at this point personally but I understand if people would rather move Rob.

The obvious guy to move to me is Brogdon. I think there'll be options to replace a guy like him this offseason and I don't think he fit as well as people like to act like he did

I don’t think they will trade jaylen at all. For me, Tatum and White should be untouchable. Smart, Rob and brogdon are the guys that can be traded that will get you a decent return. Al should finish his career here, but must come off the bench next season. If gallo is healthy, then that’s 4 players that can start. White, brown, Tatum and Gallo. We need a decent legit big man. If they can find a deal for brown, i would rather move him as well for a much better fit.

[chrisab123]

No one is untouchable that's not named Tatum but making a panic trade will kill this franchise.

If you't trading Jaylen, it has to be for something good. The only trade I'd maybe do that's possible right now is Simons and 3. Outside of that, no realistic trade intrigues me, because Dame isn't asking out and neither is Embiid.

Also, I doubt Jaylen wants to stay in Portland, so I don't think they offer 3 and Simons.

For Smart, again, what are you getting? Would have to be filling a need, like for a legit big. Same with Derrick White, who I REALLY don't want to move.

Would rather move Al than Rob at this point personally but I understand if people would rather move Rob.

The obvious guy to move to me is Brogdon. I think there'll be options to replace a guy like him this offseason and I don't think he fit as well as people like to act like he did

But if the organization views Smart and Tatum as the untouchables then what do you do? Tatum wants Brown back, so he comes back. If you're close to being hard capped then one of White/Brogdon has to go for a big to replace Al as a starter. You also have to go out and get a Center that can shoot 3s since they're keeping Joe and its very clear that Rob doesn't belong with a team that focuses on ISO Ball and 3 pointers. Honestly Myles Turner is the only center I can think of for this team. How you get him I'm not really sure other than maybe a S&T for Grant.

As for White or Brogdon it doesn't matter if they are better than Smart. Smart is untouchable and not going anywhere. Could have had KD for Brown and Smart. If they didn't pull the trigger on that then this core is staying together unless Tatum decides to ask out.

[Cricket23]

Brogdon is definitely the guy I think they should move. We were lucky with his health but luck runs out, and while he had a good season for himself, I did not see a lot of chemistry with him and the rest of the team. Surprisingly, he has some of the same weaknesses as Brown, as in he's not a great passer and he's not an especially smart player. He makes over 20 mil, but coming off the 6th man award, get out while the gettin's good.

[165bows]

Brogdon+ for DeRozan at the draft. Dream kind of died with the new CBA but I think they need a defensive and/or ball handling four. Team just dies because of ball handling issues and Brogs was cool but didn’t solve the problem.

Just need a bit more dynamic-ness in the front court. Not sure who else fits the bill, tough to find the right fit.

DeRozen is a bad off ball player. Don’t want him here unless Brown is traded. I do not think a DeRozen/Brown/Tatum trio is complimentary at all. And definitely a bad idea to oaky Smart or even White with that pairing.

If DeRozen is coming in Brogdon is by far the most important of our guards to keep because the spacing is putrid.

So we want more on-ball time for Jaylen, and even Jayson? I can't guarantee this works, and I'd rather have a more balanced offense/defense guy, but not sure that is a valid criticism.

[165bows]

Brogdon is definitely the guy I think they should move. We were lucky with his health but luck runs out, and while he had a good season for himself, I did not see a lot of chemistry with him and the rest of the team. Surprisingly, he has some of the same weaknesses as Brown, as in he's not a great passer and he's not an especially smart player. He makes over 20 mil, but coming off the 6th man award, get out while the gettin's good.

Yeah kind of agnostic on Brogdon. Could keep him or would be happy with an upgrade. Not sure who would want him. Teams that wanted him were us and Toronto I believe. Could see Dallas, Portland or Houston having some interest. Not sure what from those teams is very appealing though. Brogdon/PP and a pick for Simons if they want more size. Houston's guys are kind of bland outside a couple guys they wouldn't want to give up like Eason or Sengun. Dallas could move #10 and get some assets to send to Boston I suppose.

Philly would want him if Harden leaves but again what do they get for it.