Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[Curmudgeon]

It seemed pretty clear to me from Stevens' presser that he doesn't plan to make any changes. So next year is more of the same. I have to make sure not to store any heavy objects in my office so that I won't throw them at my beautiful monitor and break it.

[Celts17Pride]

Smart won't turn the ball over and will make his free throws in crunch time. Jaylen Brown will turn the ball over and won't make his free throws. He missed a critical one in game 6, but D. White bailed him out.

16.2 sec Marcus Smart misses free throw 1 of 2 Bos 101 Mia 100

[Andrew McCeltic]

The real prize in Portland is Shaedon Sharpe.. you get him and Simons, flip Brogdon for a frontcourt guy - Kuzma? Collins? Ayton?

Sharpe can contribute now, and he’s going to hold value..

[flintsky21]

Of course Brad's not gonna fire Joe (a guy he handpicked) just one year into the job. That would be like straight up admitting that he made a mistake. This is the same reason why Smart, Rob, Brogs, White, and Al (guys that were acuired and extended under Brad's tenure) are most likely staying put. GMs have egos. Now guys like JB (extended by Ainge), Grant and Pritchard (drafted by Ainge) have a higher probability of getting moved.

[Celts17Pride]

Of course Brad's not gonna fire Joe (a guy he handpicked) just one year into the job. That would be like straight up admitting that he made a mistake. This is the same reason why Smart, Rob, Brogs, White, and Al (guys that were acuired and extended under Brad's tenure) are most likely staying put. GMs have egos. Now guys like JB (extended by Ainge), Grant and Pritchard (drafted by Ainge) have a higher probability of getting moved.

Joe Mazzulla was never going to be fired. Celtics are not paying 3 head coaches Udoka, Mazzulla and new coach.

[Larry_Russell]

Of course Brad's not gonna fire Joe (a guy he handpicked) just one year into the job. That would be like straight up admitting that he made a mistake. This is the same reason why Smart, Rob, Brogs, White, and Al (guys that were acuired and extended under Brad's tenure) are most likely staying put. GMs have egos. Now guys like JB (extended by Ainge), Grant and Pritchard (drafted by Ainge) have a higher probability of getting moved.

Joe Mazzulla was never going to be fired. Celtics are not paying 3 head coaches Udoka, Mazzulla and new coach.

Udoka is not getting paid ny celtics to coach houston
Brad isnt coach anymore

[flintsky21]

Of course Brad's not gonna fire Joe (a guy he handpicked) just one year into the job. That would be like straight up admitting that he made a mistake. This is the same reason why Smart, Rob, Brogs, White, and Al (guys that were acuired and extended under Brad's tenure) are most likely staying put. GMs have egos. Now guys like JB (extended by Ainge), Grant and Pritchard (drafted by Ainge) have a higher probability of getting moved.

Joe Mazzulla was never going to be fired. Celtics are not paying 3 head coaches Udoka, Mazzulla and new coach.

If they're more concerned about that over improving the team then best of luck with banner 18.

[FlatearthZorro]

FWIW, Mike Gorman was on T&R this morning and said the team needs a new PG and C. Said Rob is a 4 and Al is too old, and that Marcus should be a backup 1/2.
BSlim - SOSH

Rob is absolutely not a four in today's game. Dude is a complete non-threat anywhere outside of 5 feet

Agree on the other points. Smart is better suited as a reserve, you need a PG. Al does look like he's slowed down.

[165bows]

As the 2nd ranked offense we were 5th in the league in assists per 100. In the playoffs, 4th. Of course an assist can come after little ball/player movement as well as after much of it, but it's as good a signal as any that our offense wasn't overly stagnant and in fact probably had a lot of good ball movement leading to good shots. It was our defense that killed us.

*And once you realize we were 5th in the league assists despite Jaylen Brown handling bulk of the offensive load, you gotta figure we have a top 3 ball movement in the league.

I think this is a lot of it. Might go a bit too far but very relevant in light of all the bellyaching.

I'd add a couple of things - Brad mentioned how stagnant the team gets offensively in crunch time. I think the complaints about how they play at the end of games are valid. Also, I think their D is overall isn't that bad but didn't get outplayed as badly their offense did at the end of their two elimination series the past two years.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I wouldn't trade White. Good shooter, very good defender, and doesn't hold onto the ball, doesn't over-dribble, doesn't take questionable shots. Was more durable than smart/brogdon this year and between the 3 of them, has by far the best combination of defense + shooting + ball moving.

There's a case you can make for each of these guys to be traded:

Smart - struggles shooting - a 33% shooter from 3 should not be taking 5+ threes a game. Sometimes slows down the offense by dribbling too much, walking the ball up the floor. And there were reports late in the season that some guys on the team were still not over the way things ended with Udoka - get those guys out of here. It's probably a reason why the team's effort/intensity was so inconsistent this season, and the effort/intensity/togetherness got even worse once Udoka was hired by Houston. Smart definitely seems like he took the Udoka suspension harder than most. Getting rid of him could be for the best. Smart also gets hurt a lot.

Grant - another guy who I think was a big Udoka supporter. He played much better and got more minutes when Udoka was here, compared to this season. He took a step back this season - could certainly have something to do with the coaching change. If he loves Udoka so much, f*ck it, let's trade him to Houston. There seems to be a disconnect anyways between what Grant thinks he's worth and what Brad is willing to pay him. We can get someone else to play Grant's role (someone like Finney-Smith, Royce O'Neal, Larry Nance Jr, Jae'Sean Tate, Kyle Anderson, Taurean Prince or perhaps someone in the draft like Jaime Jaquez or Kobe Brown)

Agree that they need to keep White, who seems like a better fit than Smart, if the goal remains taking half their shots from 3.

Wonder what Stevens could get for Smart and Grant?

[leper-con]

FWIW, Mike Gorman was on T&R this morning and said the team needs a new PG and C. Said Rob is a 4 and Al is too old, and that Marcus should be a backup 1/2.
BSlim - SOSH

Rob is absolutely not a four in today's game. Dude is a complete non-threat anywhere outside of 5 feet

Agree on the other points. Smart is better suited as a reserve, you need a PG. Al does look like he's slowed down.

This makes total sense. I would add they need a Knife fighter. Is draymond available?

[leper-con]

Any chance we can steal Austin Reeves from the Lakers, He's PP but super sized and a clutch player.

[zoyathedestroya]

As the 2nd ranked offense we were 5th in the league in assists per 100. In the playoffs, 4th. Of course an assist can come after little ball/player movement as well as after much of it, but it's as good a signal as any that our offense wasn't overly stagnant and in fact probably had a lot of good ball movement leading to good shots. It was our defense that killed us.

*And once you realize we were 5th in the league assists despite Jaylen Brown handling bulk of the offensive load, you gotta figure we have a top 3 ball movement in the league.

I think this is a lot of it. Might go a bit too far but very relevant in light of all the bellyaching.

I'd add a couple of things - Brad mentioned how stagnant the team gets offensively in crunch time. I think the complaints about how they play at the end of games are valid. Also, I think their D is overall isn't that bad but didn't get outplayed as badly their offense did at the end of their two elimination series the past two years.

These regular season numbers don't mean much when they can't execute their offense when it matters the most. Can't expect the Cs to keep blowing out teams to avoid crunch time.

They also have a tendency to go away from what works once they're up double digits with still five minutes left in the game, not realizing that lead is nothing. A couple of turnovers turning into runouts and they're just up a couple of possessions. They then tend to get tight once lead dwindles down to five or less.

[FlatearthZorro]

Any chance we can steal Austin Reeves from the Lakers, He's PP but super sized and a clutch player.

No, he will get 20+ mils a year.. 88 mils -4 years I believe or something similar. We have no cap space.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Any chance we can steal Austin Reeves from the Lakers, He's PP but super sized and a clutch player.

Rumor is they’ll match for him and Rui.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Orlando offers Suggs, WCJ, 6, 11 and a future unprotected 1st for Jaylen, anyone bite? What if they swap one of those guys out and put in Franz Wagner?

[Larry_Russell]

Brown to houston

#4, porter Jr, Eason, Martin jr to Boston



??/smart
Porter/white
Tatum/martin
Eason/gallo
Timelord/horford

Need a replacement timelord and a starting pg.

Assets to acquire are
Brogdon
Kornet..bot an asset but salary
#4 pick.

(Perhaps amen is the guy you go for as a pg of the future)

[Darthlukey]

Orlando offers Suggs, WCJ, 6, 11 and a future unprotected 1st for Jaylen, anyone bite? What if they swap one of those guys out and put in Franz Wagner?

Thats tough to turn down, even if we arent getting an elite player out of the deal

[Darthlukey]

Brown to houston

#4, porter Jr, Eason, Martin jr to Boston



??/smart
Porter/white
Tatum/martin
Eason/gallo
Timelord/horford

Need a replacement timelord and a starting pg.

Assets to acquire are
Brogdon
Kornet..bot an asset but salary
#4 pick.

(Perhaps amen is the guy you go for as a pg of the future)

I hate this deal. Cant really quantify it - Porter is a chucker and probably dont know about about the other players in the deal

[fallguy]

Then do it. Bring someone in to change the offense.

I’m not Brad, contrary to popular belief. I just stan him.

Actually bringing someone in to change the Celtics offensive philosophy is this core's only hope. Should be priority #1

The vision of 5 guys standing around with no ball movement, no player movement, shot clock winding down and then a turnover or three point heave should wake Brad Stevens up to do something.

This has to KILL Brad. He hates it. 100%.