Brandin Podziemski - Santa Clara

[SeattleJazzFan]

Wingspan matters more for players you would be expecting to make impact on the defensive end. On offense it doesn’t matter much. Tyler Herro is a prime example of TRex arms, I believed he measured at 6’3” for wingspan. Probably why he fell in the draft. That hasn’t affected his ability to get buckets in the NBA at all whatsoever. As long as you are shifty and can create enough separation to get your shot off then you can score in the NBA. He’s already got the confidence and shot making ability so we know he can score.

Podz has some Goran Dragic in his game. He has the tools to carve out a role for himself and I don’t think wingspan will limit him offensively. Defensively I wouldn’t expect much but he can still be taught positioning and how to move his feet but anybody drafting him won’t be drafting him for defensive versatility anyway.

He’s not guaranteed to succeed in the league and none of these guys are but he is talented and worth taking a chance on even if for a backup role, that’s what you are really hoping for at the back end of 1st round and into the 2nd where he’s currently projected.

The game has changed quite a bit over the past 2 or 3 years though. Goran Dragic doesn't see the floor anymore.

The Celtics couldn't put Payton Pritchard or Sam Hauser on the floor in the playoffs. Guys who are a defensive liability, who are short, don't have a good wingspan, aren't very quick, aren't very athletic, aren't very strong physically, it's tough for them to see the floor in the playoffs.

dragic doesn't see the floor because he's old af - he's just not very good anymore. he'd still be playing 30+ minutes if he were in his prime.

[EvanZ]

Wingspan is why you see a guy like Desmond Bane fall in the draft. Now he’s giving everybody buckets. But someone did take Isaac Okoro in the top 5 and Killian Hayes top 7 probably because they had long arms LOL

There's so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin. But here's a question for you. If Desmond Bane had a longer wingspan, would he have been a WORSE prospect?

[EvanZ]

I don't see any team taking him above 25. I love the kid but he went off at a small school for one year and had a nice combine. The transfer portal and the college land scape is littered with dudes who didn't work out at big school A went off at back water school B for 2 years transfers to big school C as a Jr and regress. He's doing a smart thing byp coming out after a big year but I don't think GMs are gonna jump on him.

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Oh I can easily see GS taking him at 19. He's a better version of Ty Jerome in every regard and Kerr **** enjoyed playing Ty Jerome.

[EvanZ]

In this context we are talking about a guard, someone who can potentially play the 1 or 2 so how much you are needing your guard, probably a backup guard at that, to shot contest and rebound would determine how much it really matters.

It always matters. More is always better. That's how this works. Nobody is saying that is completely disqualifies a player to have short wingspan. But it ALWAYS is better to have more of it. It just is. Not sure why people have such a hard time with this basic fact of nature. Basketball is a game of inches. We see this all the time. A guy making a shot a couple inches over the outstretched arms of a defender. A guy getting blocked at the rim because he's just a couple inches short. A wing gets his hand in the passing lane to deflect a ball just a matter of inches.

This is basketball. To pretend like length doesn't matter is insane. Stop it.

Of course in an ideal world you would want a guy who is tall, lengthy, talented and has a high IQ. How often do you find those type of players? Those are rare finds in basketball, there’s always players who will have weaknesses somewhere.

Basketball is not a game of inches, it’s about skill and high IQ. It’s why you often don’t see young teams go far in the playoffs, no matter the skill or their length if they don’t have a certain understanding of the game they won’t go anywhere. So you will usually see the more experienced teams have more success. It’s not length or wingspan

Also if you want to really go into it, wingspan includes chest width and doesn’t just mean long arms. That’s for those physics majors out there

It's literally a game of inches in virtually every way.

Regarding chest, you're absolutely right. Podziemski has a broad chest..so his arms are even shorter. Happy?

[HEZI]

Wingspan is why you see a guy like Desmond Bane fall in the draft. Now he’s giving everybody buckets. But someone did take Isaac Okoro in the top 5 and Killian Hayes top 7 probably because they had long arms LOL

There's so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin. But here's a question for you. If Desmond Bane had a longer wingspan, would he have been a WORSE prospect?

Literally every draft profile on Bane started off his weaknesses with his physical profile and how short his arms are

But don’t go moving goal posts now. You have a preference for wingspan, that is fine, but it is not a basketball requirement for success. What you are doing is mistaking preference for requirement.

Everybody would prefer a player who is built like Lebron and can shoot like Steph but that’s not a requirement, not for a star player not for a starter and especially not for a bench player or role player.

[HEZI]

It always matters. More is always better. That's how this works. Nobody is saying that is completely disqualifies a player to have short wingspan. But it ALWAYS is better to have more of it. It just is. Not sure why people have such a hard time with this basic fact of nature. Basketball is a game of inches. We see this all the time. A guy making a shot a couple inches over the outstretched arms of a defender. A guy getting blocked at the rim because he's just a couple inches short. A wing gets his hand in the passing lane to deflect a ball just a matter of inches.

This is basketball. To pretend like length doesn't matter is insane. Stop it.

Of course in an ideal world you would want a guy who is tall, lengthy, talented and has a high IQ. How often do you find those type of players? Those are rare finds in basketball, there’s always players who will have weaknesses somewhere.

Basketball is not a game of inches, it’s about skill and high IQ. It’s why you often don’t see young teams go far in the playoffs, no matter the skill or their length if they don’t have a certain understanding of the game they won’t go anywhere. So you will usually see the more experienced teams have more success. It’s not length or wingspan

Also if you want to really go into it, wingspan includes chest width and doesn’t just mean long arms. That’s for those physics majors out there

It's literally a game of inches in virtually every way.

Regarding chest, you're absolutely right. Podziemski has a broad chest..so his arms are even shorter. Happy?

It’s literally not

[HEZI]

Someone in mocks took Mo Bamba over Trae Young because of length and wingspan

Oof we got so many great examples we can keep going.

Some folks live in a world where they think Mo Bamba is a dominant NBA player and Trae Young has no shot at playing in the league because he has TRex arms. The rest of us live in reality where Trae Young is a star player and Mo Bamba is a bust. It’s a game of skill not a game of length and wingspan

[EvanZ]

Someone in mocks took Mo Bamba over Trae Young because of length and wingspan

Oof we got so many great examples we can keep going.

Some folks live in a world where they think Mo Bamba is a dominant NBA player and Trae Young has no shot at playing in the league because he has TRex arms. The rest of us live in reality where Trae Young is a star player and Mo Bamba is a bust. It’s a game of skill not a game of length and wingspan

By your logic Trae Young would be worse with a longer wingspan and Mo Bamba would be better with a shorter wingspan.

Is that really what you think? Is your argument literally that shorter wingspan is better than longer wingspan? Weird flex.

I get it though. Sometimes when you’re backed into a corner of illogic you just have to keep up appearances.

[EvanZ]

Wingspan is why you see a guy like Desmond Bane fall in the draft. Now he’s giving everybody buckets. But someone did take Isaac Okoro in the top 5 and Killian Hayes top 7 probably because they had long arms LOL

There's so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin. But here's a question for you. If Desmond Bane had a longer wingspan, would he have been a WORSE prospect?

Literally every draft profile on Bane started off his weaknesses with his physical profile and how short his arms are

But don’t go moving goal posts now. You have a preference for wingspan, that is fine, but it is not a basketball requirement for success. What you are doing is mistaking preference for requirement.

Everybody would prefer a player who is built like Lebron and can shoot like Steph but that’s not a requirement, not for a star player not for a starter and especially not for a bench player or role player.

You have created an army of strawmen. Congrats.

[HEZI]

Someone in mocks took Mo Bamba over Trae Young because of length and wingspan

Oof we got so many great examples we can keep going.

Some folks live in a world where they think Mo Bamba is a dominant NBA player and Trae Young has no shot at playing in the league because he has TRex arms. The rest of us live in reality where Trae Young is a star player and Mo Bamba is a bust. It’s a game of skill not a game of length and wingspan

By your logic Trae Young would be worse with a longer wingspan and Mo Bamba would be better with a shorter wingspan.

Is that really what you think? Is your argument literally that shorter wingspan is better than longer wingspan? Weird flex.

I get it though. Sometimes when you’re backed into a corner of illogic you just have to keep up appearances.

That’s actually your type of logic since I never correlated skill with wingspan. However, you did

[HEZI]

There's so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin. But here's a question for you. If Desmond Bane had a longer wingspan, would he have been a WORSE prospect?

Literally every draft profile on Bane started off his weaknesses with his physical profile and how short his arms are

But don’t go moving goal posts now. You have a preference for wingspan, that is fine, but it is not a basketball requirement for success. What you are doing is mistaking preference for requirement.

Everybody would prefer a player who is built like Lebron and can shoot like Steph but that’s not a requirement, not for a star player not for a starter and especially not for a bench player or role player.

You have created an army of strawmen. Congrats.

I’m not sure you even know what you are saying at this point. Don’t worry I’ll go easier on you next time, but think twice next time about taking my comment out of context and thinking I wouldn’t put you in your place

[EvanZ]

Literally every draft profile on Bane started off his weaknesses with his physical profile and how short his arms are

But don’t go moving goal posts now. You have a preference for wingspan, that is fine, but it is not a basketball requirement for success. What you are doing is mistaking preference for requirement.

Everybody would prefer a player who is built like Lebron and can shoot like Steph but that’s not a requirement, not for a star player not for a starter and especially not for a bench player or role player.

You have created an army of strawmen. Congrats.

I’m not sure you even know what you are saying at this point. Don’t worry I’ll go easier on you next time, but think twice next time about taking my comment out of context and thinking I wouldn’t put you in your place

You still haven’t responded to any of my questions so I can just assume you are aware of your error.


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[mattg]

Not trying to jump in to this wingspan argument, but it is a noteworthy thing that many of the best shooters have far worse length/wingspan than what would be considered "ideal" for the position and some of the most elite shooters ever in NBA history have had what could only be described as "awful" length. Now that doesn't prove anything nor does it speak to the importance of length defensively or anywhere else, but it is worth noting.

[EvanZ]

Not trying to jump in to this wingspan argument, but it is a noteworthy thing that many of the best shooters have far worse length/wingspan than what would be considered "ideal" for the position and some of the most elite shooters ever in NBA history have had what could only be described as "awful" length. Now that doesn't prove anything nor does it speak to the importance of length defensively or anywhere else, but it is worth noting.

I love guys who hedge.

You've settled it. T-rex arms the highest draft priority! In fact, I'm going to declare myself eligible for the draft right now. Maybe I can give Wemby some heat.

[HEZI]

You have created an army of strawmen. Congrats.

I’m not sure you even know what you are saying at this point. Don’t worry I’ll go easier on you next time, but think twice next time about taking my comment out of context and thinking I wouldn’t put you in your place

You still haven’t responded to any of my questions so I can just assume you are aware of your error.


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No you got all the questions answered but you struggle understanding that your argument could be wrong so in an effort to try to be right about something you will move goal posts. It’s alright you will learn

[mattg]

Not trying to jump in to this wingspan argument, but it is a noteworthy thing that many of the best shooters have far worse length/wingspan than what would be considered "ideal" for the position and some of the most elite shooters ever in NBA history have had what could only be described as "awful" length. Now that doesn't prove anything nor does it speak to the importance of length defensively or anywhere else, but it is worth noting.

I love guys who hedge.

You've settled it. T-rex arms the highest draft priority! In fact, I'm going to declare myself eligible for the draft right now. Maybe I can give Wemby some heat.

That's not what I was saying at all. More so that I would never take wingspan into account when evaluating someone's ability to shoot. However it's totally fair and very important to account for when it comes to defense or rebounding.

[EvanZ]

I’m not sure you even know what you are saying at this point. Don’t worry I’ll go easier on you next time, but think twice next time about taking my comment out of context and thinking I wouldn’t put you in your place

You still haven’t responded to any of my questions so I can just assume you are aware of your error.


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No you got all the questions answered but you struggle understanding that your argument could be wrong so in an effort to try to be right about something you will move goal posts. It’s alright you will learn

What exactly do you think my argument is? The only argument I’ve made is that wingspan matters. You seem to either disagree or are actually of the belief that wingspan is a negative indicator. Every example you’ve given is of a player with short wingspan being better than a random player with longer wingspan.

Is this what you believe?

[EvanZ]

Not trying to jump in to this wingspan argument, but it is a noteworthy thing that many of the best shooters have far worse length/wingspan than what would be considered "ideal" for the position and some of the most elite shooters ever in NBA history have had what could only be described as "awful" length. Now that doesn't prove anything nor does it speak to the importance of length defensively or anywhere else, but it is worth noting.

I love guys who hedge.

You've settled it. T-rex arms the highest draft priority! In fact, I'm going to declare myself eligible for the draft right now. Maybe I can give Wemby some heat.

That's not what I was saying at all. More so that I would never take wingspan into account when evaluating someone's ability to shoot. However it's totally fair and very important to account for when it comes to defense or rebounding.

Length actually is an important factor for most shooters in the NBA. One of the reasons teams love “tall shooters” is that they have length to get their shot off. It’s also the reason most small college shooters simply don’t translate. They can’t get their shot off against NBA length. Of course they can’t defend either, but a lot of tall shooters can’t defend and they survive in the league anyway.

[EvanZ]

The smaller you are the harder you have to work to create space. That’s just obviously true and anyone who doesn’t understand that, doesn’t really understand the game at all. Steph is the greatest shooter of all time despite his length not because of it.

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You still haven’t responded to any of my questions so I can just assume you are aware of your error.


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No you got all the questions answered but you struggle understanding that your argument could be wrong so in an effort to try to be right about something you will move goal posts. It’s alright you will learn

What exactly do you think my argument is? The only argument I’ve made is that wingspan matters. You seem to either disagree or are actually of the belief that wingspan is a negative indicator. Every example you’ve given is of a player with short wingspan being better than a random player with longer wingspan.

Is this what you believe?

Do you actually not understand the conversation?

Wingspan isn't everything, players get overlooked because of wingspan and other plays move up because of wingspan that shouldn't.

It's not that complicated.