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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#161 » by GoSixersBro » Thu Jun 1, 2023 11:04 pm

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How bad does Harden want to win? That's the question. He can't possibly think he will in Houston. The fact that he's met with Harden surprises me.
Same. If Harden to Houston was a "done deal", I don't see why they would even talk.

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Also, Windhorst keeps saying to stop assuming Harden is going back to Houston. He seems to be more reliable than Woj at predictions, just doesn’t break news like Woj/Shams do.


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Post#162 » by FireMorey » Thu Jun 1, 2023 11:31 pm

Windy being right is bad news. It would show same old same old. Blaming Rivers for the issues and not coming to terms with them needing core change.

Morey seems to be in denial about where this team is and what it needs.
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Post#163 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Jun 1, 2023 11:36 pm

FireMorey wrote:Windy being right is bad news. It would show same old same old. Blaming Rivers for the issues and not coming to terms with them needing core change.

Morey seems to be in denial about where this team is and what it needs.


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Post#164 » by FireMorey » Thu Jun 1, 2023 11:49 pm

Do you disagree though? If so, I'd love to hear the argument to the contrary.
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Post#165 » by Arsenal » Fri Jun 2, 2023 12:00 am

FireMorey wrote:Do you disagree though? If so, I'd love to hear the argument to the contrary.


The argument to the contrary is they were close this year. Keeping the team intact then upgrading from Glenn to Nurse could get them over the top.
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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#166 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Fri Jun 2, 2023 12:04 am

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FireMorey wrote:Do you disagree though? If so, I'd love to hear the argument to the contrary.


The argument to the contrary is they were close this year. Keeping the team intact then upgrading from Glenn to Nurse could get them over the top.



Huh? Hell no .. We had Tobias Harris for like 5-6 years. He gotta go tomorrow. Are you kidding me.... Get him outta here already.
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Post#167 » by XtremeDunkz » Fri Jun 2, 2023 12:10 am

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FireMorey wrote:Do you disagree though? If so, I'd love to hear the argument to the contrary.


The argument to the contrary is they were close this year. Keeping the team intact then upgrading from Glenn to Nurse could get them over the top.



Huh? Hell no .. We had Tobias Harris for like 5-6 years. He gotta go tomorrow. Are you kidding me.... Get him outta here already.
If Harden comes back, Tobias goes. If Harden goes, Tobias comes back. I feel that is pretty straight forward.

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Post#168 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri Jun 2, 2023 12:22 am

FireMorey wrote:Do you disagree though? If so, I'd love to hear the argument to the contrary.


I think Doc to Nurse is a significant upgrade, and potentially enough to get us over the hump the same way he did in Toronto.

I think other changes need to be made (Tobias trade) but Harden won us 2 games by himself. It wasn’t even a series if we didn’t have Harden. This is too reminiscent of when Butler was a FA and everyone was like “yo let him walk, we’ll be fine.”

You don’t just let top-25 players walk over a few million dollars unless you have a realistic way to replace them, which we don’t.
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Post#169 » by FireMorey » Fri Jun 2, 2023 12:24 am

But the reason the Sixers lost is because their two best players couldn't get it done when it counted. And Harden will be less motivated with a big contract and a year older and slower. I don't even think it's safe to assume you're going to get the 2023 Harden next season. And the 2023 Harden wasn't good enough.
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Post#170 » by Snotbubbles » Fri Jun 2, 2023 12:25 am

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FireMorey wrote:Do you disagree though? If so, I'd love to hear the argument to the contrary.


I think Doc to Nurse is a significant upgrade, and potentially enough to get us over the hump the same way he did in Toronto.

I think other changes need to be made (Tobias trade) but Harden won us 2 games by himself. It wasn’t even a series if we didn’t have Harden. This is too reminiscent of when Butler was a FA and everyone was like “yo let him walk, we’ll be fine.”

You don’t just let top-20 or 25 players walk over a few million dollars unless you have a realistic way to replace them, which we don’t.


The play could be to use this year to re-tool and get a replacement star next offseason.
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Post#171 » by FireMorey » Fri Jun 2, 2023 12:28 am

And also it's not like the Sixers lost in a game 7 to the 2017 Warriors. If they did that would be one thing. They lost to the Celtics who have their own choking issues. The 2nd round has been such a roadblock, fans have lost sight that NBA title is the goal and not just getting out of the 2nd round. This team has not in any way shown they're ready to win a title. And Harden has never been that guy.

Sure they went to game 7, and people say they were a couple missed 3's in game 6 away from winning. They were also two last second shots in games 1 and 4 from getting swept. Very thin line in this series.
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Post#172 » by youngcrev » Fri Jun 2, 2023 12:53 am

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Post#173 » by zaz102 » Fri Jun 2, 2023 12:55 am

I would prefer Harden back. Not because I love what Harden brings to the table, but I think he could be the best option. He won two games two games for the Sixers against the Celtics, so he has value.

That being said it would either need to be a one year deal or at a very reasonable contract. It seems that this is the route they're going if they do sign him based on the reports. I would moreso expect him to bridge the gap.

My plan would be trade Tobias for something better. Or let him expire and try to sign someone that can be a true #2. Spend next year trying to develop Maxey and then decide to sign him long-term. This makes next offseason more crucial.

That being said I think that's going to be plan with or without Harden. So if you do it without Harden, are you hoping that it'll speed up the development of Maxey? Otherwise, I don't see the point. They're not going to sign someone better than Harden.

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Post#174 » by rocketsfan100 » Fri Jun 2, 2023 12:58 am

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It being a trend is certainly overstated considering his relationship with Joel. Kawhi saying he went to the clippers over Lakers due to Rivers, etc. The clippers stuff came from him building a hard nosed culture and adding 2 divas to them, and that team imploded due to George having a breakdown in the bubble. I'd say Harden became a leader of the 76ers locker room and also a diva

I think it was time for Rivers and this team to part ways, but he wasn't the main reason the Sixers lost. Harden in all 4 losses had "impossible to win with" type games. But by the end of the season, rotations were about as good as they could get with this roster, and style of play.... Player to player was good except they had that side agenda of making Joel the MVP. But if Harden is unhappy being a playmaker first, then he really needs to go destroy the rockets rebuild. I'm wholly convinced that the 76ers would be better with a 2 way pg in Harden's place, and running different offense. With the intent of hoping Maxey can become a next level offensive talent less reliant on being setup by Harden. Their (Sixers) only chance with Harden is with him being a 3rd option with better defensive focus... But a trade exception even for Harden would bump Morey up in my eyes as a GM

Paul George and Kawhi blasted him for lack of adjustments after the clippers lost to Denver before the clippers let him go. It’s a trend bro. Harden is gone so don’t worry the Sixers chances will be much better without him. Harden to Houston is the worst kept secret in the nba .Don’t get your hopes up about Houston giving the Sixers the trade exemption. They are under no obligation to do so. They can use that in separate deals to improve their team around harden and the likes of Sengun . They can sign harden outright


Disagree. Harden to Houston is not a foregone conclusion.

I would bet a lot of money that he is signing with Houston.
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Post#175 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri Jun 2, 2023 1:07 am

FireMorey wrote:And also it's not like the Sixers lost in a game 7 to the 2017 Warriors. If they did that would be one thing. They lost to the Celtics who have their own choking issues. The 2nd round has been such a roadblock, fans have lost sight that NBA title is the goal and not just getting out of the 2nd round. This team has not in any way shown they're ready to win a title. And Harden has never been that guy.

Sure they went to game 7, and people say they were a couple missed 3's in game 6 away from winning. They were also two last second shots in games 1 and 4 from getting swept. Very thin line in this series.


You could use the same argument against Miami after beating Boston in 7. But that doesn't matter because Miami is in the Finals. The point is we have a team that has as good of a shot as anyone in the East, and that's all you can ask for. Losing Harden for nothing is not some addition-by-subtraction thing. Despite the lows, Harden had the *highest* BPM on our team in the playoffs by a good margin.

He was also 13th in RAPTOR and 18th in BPM during the regular season. You don't just let that kind of impact walk away and expect to easily replace it.

This is verbatim 2019 Jimmy Butler can walk type thinking.
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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#176 » by FireMorey » Fri Jun 2, 2023 1:45 am

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FireMorey wrote:And also it's not like the Sixers lost in a game 7 to the 2017 Warriors. If they did that would be one thing. They lost to the Celtics who have their own choking issues. The 2nd round has been such a roadblock, fans have lost sight that NBA title is the goal and not just getting out of the 2nd round. This team has not in any way shown they're ready to win a title. And Harden has never been that guy.

Sure they went to game 7, and people say they were a couple missed 3's in game 6 away from winning. They were also two last second shots in games 1 and 4 from getting swept. Very thin line in this series.


You could use the same argument against Miami after beating Boston in 7. But that doesn't matter because Miami is in the Finals. The point is we have a team that has as good of a shot as anyone in the East, and that's all you can ask for. Losing Harden for nothing is not some addition-by-subtraction thing. Despite the lows, Harden had the *highest* BPM on our team in the playoffs by a good margin.

He was also 13th in RAPTOR and 18th in BPM during the regular season. You don't just let that kind of impact walk away and expect to easily replace it.

This is verbatim 2019 Jimmy Butler can walk type thinking.


I don't think the Sixers will necessarily be worse without him. Games aren't won on paper. I don't think his raw statistics will be easy to replace with one player, but depending on who they replace him with, they could be better defensively, have better ball movement and less stagnation on offense since the ball sticks with Harden. Kinda like how the celtics got better when they lost Kyrie, I wouldn’t rule out the same happening with the Sixers depending on what other moves they make.

Also keeping him is fine for a year or two, but most people who want him to leave are doing so because they don't want to give him 4-5 years. If he wants that, you absolutely can let him walk because you have to plan long-term as well. And I don't think anyone thinks he will hold up over the length of a contract like that.
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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#177 » by mjkvol » Fri Jun 2, 2023 2:13 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:
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How bad does Harden want to win? That's the question. He can't possibly think he will in Houston. The fact that he's met with Harden surprises me.
Same. If Harden to Houston was a "done deal", I don't see why they would even talk.

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Also, Windhorst keeps saying to stop assuming Harden is going back to Houston. He seems to be more reliable than Woj at predictions, just doesn’t break news like Woj/Shams do.


Marc Jackson's brother's friend's brother is more reliable than either, and he breaks news.
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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#178 » by skywalker33 » Fri Jun 2, 2023 1:38 pm

Looks like a good hire
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Exactly as I've been saying all along !!
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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#179 » by elchengue20 » Fri Jun 2, 2023 1:39 pm

Good hire but we have some serious issues that can't be fixed by coaching.
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Re: Sixers hire Nick Nurse 

Post#180 » by FlightBrothers » Fri Jun 2, 2023 4:18 pm

Everyone keeps referring to sign a big FA in 2024. What "big free agents" are even going to be available. Isn't it a weak FA class

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