Waive Isaac?

[JoshuaPotter]

This is hilarious. He constantly gets injured. Still tries his best to get back on to the court. Meanwhile he ventures in other business adventures like any normal NBA player or anyone who might be seeing that their window at current career might be closing and gets blasted for it.

If any of y’all got hurt on the job and was trying to get back to it but had some doubts it would be successful, would y’all not be preparing for a different avenue beforehand? Would any of y’all wait until after that door was closed then prepare? Of course not.

If the best thing he's known for is as a culture warrior for a culture I don't agree with what reaction do you expect?

Optics my friend.

If someone hadn't posted this here. It might have taken me, days, weeks, months, or even years to come and see this.

I absolutely will not sit here and debate what is right and wrong in this. Just that if people weren't spreading the word for him, would I have even noticed? Or even cared?

We live in interesting times.

[bigdogdylan5]

The saving grace for him here is we might be the smallest possible market. Hell the local paper just fired the one beat reporter we had. There is no one to ask the teammates and blow this thing up. I slept on it and I still don’t think he should do it but the risk of it being a problem is low. All his focus should be coming back if not practically for media purposes only. If he wants to take on this business he probably should be waived.

Speaking as to his rights to do this because of injuries that is fine but many businesses will ask you to stop doing stuff in your personal time (YouTube channel, podcasts). If it even has the appearance of hurting them. I think this falls into that bucket. I feel like my opinion would be 180 if he wasn’t just coming off another injury. He is not doing himself any favors.

[JoshuaPotter]

Damn you do, damn you don’t.

Good for Isaac doing what he wants and not what other people wants.

More or less how I feel about it.

[JoshuaPotter]

The saving grace for him here is we might be the smallest possible market. Hell the local paper just fired the one beat reporter we had. There is no one to ask the teammates and blow this thing up. I slept on it and I still don’t think he should do it but the risk of it being a problem is low. All his focus should be coming back if not practically for media purposes only. If he wants to take on this business he probably should be waived.

Speaking as to his rights to do this because of injuries that is fine but many businesses will ask you to stop doing stuff in your personal time (YouTube channel, podcasts). If it even has the appearance of hurting them. I think this falls into that bucket. I feel like my opinion would be 180 if he wasn’t just coming off another injury. He is not doing himself any favors.

By this reasoning. How many NBA players should be waived?

[bigdogdylan5]

This is hilarious. He constantly gets injured. Still tries his best to get back on to the court. Meanwhile he ventures in other business adventures like any normal NBA player or anyone who might be seeing that their window at current career might be closing and gets blasted for it.

If any of y’all got hurt on the job and was trying to get back to it but had some doubts it would be successful, would y’all not be preparing for a different avenue beforehand? Would any of y’all wait until after that door was closed then prepare? Of course not.

If the best thing he's known for is as a culture warrior for a culture I don't agree with what reaction do you expect?

Optics my friend.

If someone hadn't posted this here. It might have taken me, days, weeks, months, or even years to come and see this.

I absolutely will not sit here and debate what is right and wrong in this. Just that if people weren't spreading the word for him, would I have even noticed? Or even cared?

We live in interesting times.

I think it was relevant to discuss with regard to him being waived or a future decision. Again I didn’t post it to attack his beliefs my reaction would be the same if he is pulling the Lonzo Ball bull and starting a BBB shoe or something. He hasn’t played and should be on the thinnest ice possible he hasn’t earned the right to make himself any sort of distraction. I was trying to not make it political so if others want to do that the moderators just shut that down.

[89Magicfan]

The saving grace for him here is we might be the smallest possible market. Hell the local paper just fired the one beat reporter we had. There is no one to ask the teammates and blow this thing up. I slept on it and I still don’t think he should do it but the risk of it being a problem is low. All his focus should be coming back if not practically for media purposes only. If he wants to take on this business he probably should be waived.

Speaking as to his rights to do this because of injuries that is fine but many businesses will ask you to stop doing stuff in your personal time (YouTube channel, podcasts). If it even has the appearance of hurting them. I think this falls into that bucket. I feel like my opinion would be 180 if he wasn’t just coming off another injury. He is not doing himself any favors.

He’s not doing himself any favors? Why? Because he’s disagreeing with a percentage of the population while there’s a percentage who does agree?

Clearly his employer isn’t asking him to stop. He’s been on this train for a few years. If anything they are realizing the window is almost shut. Issac isn’t quite ready to shut it but is preparing for that strong possibility. Meanwhile he’s still in the gym. Still getting surgeries. Still getting on the court. He’s still attempting to play is my point.

Remember GHill? Dude’s career was done. Went to Phoenix and bam, was a important contributor to that team. He was also older.

I’m not saying to agree with his beliefs. That’s up to you and honestly I don’t care. I’m just saying he’s not doing anything different professionally than anyone else would do.

[bigdogdylan5]

The saving grace for him here is we might be the smallest possible market. Hell the local paper just fired the one beat reporter we had. There is no one to ask the teammates and blow this thing up. I slept on it and I still don’t think he should do it but the risk of it being a problem is low. All his focus should be coming back if not practically for media purposes only. If he wants to take on this business he probably should be waived.

Speaking as to his rights to do this because of injuries that is fine but many businesses will ask you to stop doing stuff in your personal time (YouTube channel, podcasts). If it even has the appearance of hurting them. I think this falls into that bucket. I feel like my opinion would be 180 if he wasn’t just coming off another injury. He is not doing himself any favors.

By this reasoning. How many NBA players should be waived?

It’s all based on distraction level and your value. Lebron Jokic Embiid Durant hell even Kyrie who possibly is the best example for this can basically do and say whatever they want. Right now Isaac has no value to the team so no margin for error.

[bigdogdylan5]

The saving grace for him here is we might be the smallest possible market. Hell the local paper just fired the one beat reporter we had. There is no one to ask the teammates and blow this thing up. I slept on it and I still don’t think he should do it but the risk of it being a problem is low. All his focus should be coming back if not practically for media purposes only. If he wants to take on this business he probably should be waived.

Speaking as to his rights to do this because of injuries that is fine but many businesses will ask you to stop doing stuff in your personal time (YouTube channel, podcasts). If it even has the appearance of hurting them. I think this falls into that bucket. I feel like my opinion would be 180 if he wasn’t just coming off another injury. He is not doing himself any favors.

He’s not doing himself any favors? Why? Because he’s disagreeing with a percentage of the population while there’s a percentage who does agree?

Clearly his employer isn’t asking him to stop. He’s been on this train for a few years. If anything they are realizing the window is almost shut. Issac isn’t quite ready to shut it but is preparing for that strong possibility. Meanwhile he’s still in the gym. Still getting surgeries. Still getting on the court. He’s still attempting to play is my point.

Remember GHill? Dude’s career was done. Went to Phoenix and bam, was a important contributor to that team. He was also older.

I’m not saying to agree with his beliefs. That’s up to you and honestly I don’t care. I’m just saying he’s not doing anything different professionally than anyone else would do.

See my posts above I have said like 3-4 times it isn’t about political topics. I was totally fine with the interviews and even book stuff because he probably hired a writer. But running a business is a full time job to say those are equivalent I think is incorrect.

[89Magicfan]

The saving grace for him here is we might be the smallest possible market. Hell the local paper just fired the one beat reporter we had. There is no one to ask the teammates and blow this thing up. I slept on it and I still don’t think he should do it but the risk of it being a problem is low. All his focus should be coming back if not practically for media purposes only. If he wants to take on this business he probably should be waived.

Speaking as to his rights to do this because of injuries that is fine but many businesses will ask you to stop doing stuff in your personal time (YouTube channel, podcasts). If it even has the appearance of hurting them. I think this falls into that bucket. I feel like my opinion would be 180 if he wasn’t just coming off another injury. He is not doing himself any favors.

He’s not doing himself any favors? Why? Because he’s disagreeing with a percentage of the population while there’s a percentage who does agree?

Clearly his employer isn’t asking him to stop. He’s been on this train for a few years. If anything they are realizing the window is almost shut. Issac isn’t quite ready to shut it but is preparing for that strong possibility. Meanwhile he’s still in the gym. Still getting surgeries. Still getting on the court. He’s still attempting to play is my point.

Remember GHill? Dude’s career was done. Went to Phoenix and bam, was a important contributor to that team. He was also older.

I’m not saying to agree with his beliefs. That’s up to you and honestly I don’t care. I’m just saying he’s not doing anything different professionally than anyone else would do.

See my posts above I have said like 3-4 times it isn’t about political topics. I was totally fine with the interviews and even book stuff because he probably hired a writer. But running a business is a full time job to say those are equivalent I think is incorrect.

Yeah but someone like him has a lot more money to invest. Can hire a lot more resources. It isn’t like you and I. I do know quite a bit of people who don’t have an off season, who are at their main 9-5 jobs, with families that are also working on a side business.

Like I said, this isn’t some anomaly. Many who have ventured into entrepreneurship go this route.

[JoshuaPotter]

If the best thing he's known for is as a culture warrior for a culture I don't agree with what reaction do you expect?

Optics my friend.

If someone hadn't posted this here. It might have taken me, days, weeks, months, or even years to come and see this.

I absolutely will not sit here and debate what is right and wrong in this. Just that if people weren't spreading the word for him, would I have even noticed? Or even cared?

We live in interesting times.

I think it was relevant to discuss with regard to him being waived or a future decision. Again I didn’t post it to attack his beliefs my reaction would be the same if he is pulling the Lonzo Ball bull and starting a BBB shoe or something. He hasn’t played and should be on the thinnest ice possible he hasn’t earned the right to make himself any sort of distraction. I was trying to not make it political so if others want to do that the moderators just shut that down.

Thank you for the post. I think I get where you are coming from for sure.

The counter thought, not even an argument. Is that, I guess he has a lot of time "recovering" where he can whip out a laptop and start making business deals.

[JoshuaPotter]

The saving grace for him here is we might be the smallest possible market. Hell the local paper just fired the one beat reporter we had. There is no one to ask the teammates and blow this thing up. I slept on it and I still don’t think he should do it but the risk of it being a problem is low. All his focus should be coming back if not practically for media purposes only. If he wants to take on this business he probably should be waived.

Speaking as to his rights to do this because of injuries that is fine but many businesses will ask you to stop doing stuff in your personal time (YouTube channel, podcasts). If it even has the appearance of hurting them. I think this falls into that bucket. I feel like my opinion would be 180 if he wasn’t just coming off another injury. He is not doing himself any favors.

By this reasoning. How many NBA players should be waived?

It’s all based on distraction level and your value. Lebron Jokic Embiid Durant hell even Kyrie who possibly is the best example for this can basically do and say whatever they want. Right now Isaac has no value to the team so no margin for error.

But if, for example. Nobody had brought it up here, I wouldn't have noticed. Frankly, I am not sure anyone will notice in terms of common fans.

Now I guess if we here Jonathan Isaac name next Magic game followed by "boooooo" then maybe word got around and he is on the wrong side.

If I am plain, the real thing that might be scary here is that this is likely approved behavior hence we are making a big deal about nothing.

Edit : "Big deal" as in, I am spending 2-5 minutes per post on this thread. Otherwise slow day.

[eyriq]

This is hilarious. He constantly gets injured. Still tries his best to get back on to the court. Meanwhile he ventures in other business adventures like any normal NBA player or anyone who might be seeing that their window at current career might be closing and gets blasted for it.

If any of y’all got hurt on the job and was trying to get back to it but had some doubts it would be successful, would y’all not be preparing for a different avenue beforehand? Would any of y’all wait until after that door was closed then prepare? Of course not.

If the best thing he's known for is as a culture warrior for a culture I don't agree with what reaction do you expect?

Optics my friend.

If someone hadn't posted this here. It might have taken me, days, weeks, months, or even years to come and see this.

I absolutely will not sit here and debate what is right and wrong in this. Just that if people weren't spreading the word for him, would I have even noticed? Or even cared?

We live in interesting times.

Yeah, is all good. If he plays I'll cheer for him regardless of how obnoxious I find his views.

[Skin]

Thoughts people? I think we should waive him now to pay his partial salary.

I believe next season isn't fully guaranteed.

Do not need the drama heading into next season.

Real question. What would you gain by doing this? What is your calculated reason?

Or is this just personal butthurtness?

[The-Stallion70]

I'm for waiving/stretching him. Guy can't stay on the court AT ALL and has established a personal brand that seems to clash with the NBA and its players.

[Magic_Kingdom]

Thoughts people? I think we should waive him now to pay his partial salary.

I believe next season isn't fully guaranteed.

Do not need the drama heading into next season.

Real question. What would you gain by doing this? What is your calculated reason?

Or is this just personal butthurtness?

1) $10 million in salary cap space this summer.
2) A roster spot.
3) Clarity moving forward (rather than penciling JI into a rotation spot he will never fill).
4) Locker room intangible benefits. They will never say it publicly, but what are the chances that the other 14 guys on this roster enjoy the fact that the player making the most money, a) never plays, and b) has made it his personal mission to speak out against black people protesting injustice?

[fendilim]

Thoughts people? I think we should waive him now to pay his partial salary.

I believe next season isn't fully guaranteed.

Do not need the drama heading into next season.

Real question. What would you gain by doing this? What is your calculated reason?

Or is this just personal butthurtness?

1) $10 million in salary cap space this summer.
2) A roster spot.
3) Clarity moving forward (rather than penciling JI into a rotation spot he will never fill).
4) Locker room intangible benefits. They will never say it publicly, but what are the chances that the other 14 guys on this roster enjoy the fact that the player making the most money, a) never plays, and b) has made it his personal mission to speak out against black people protesting injustice?

I’m sure management would waive him and free roster spot if there was someone worth it. That’s just common sense. If there is a player that comes along that is worth our while, we do that. Otherwise, we’re also giving up free money for him because his money is partially guaranteed. Also, insurance is paying for his deal, not the team.

Waiving him for the sake of just waiving him isn’t a smart thing either. Roster spot to sign who? Admiral Schofield type of players? Again, if someone is worth our while, we’ll obviously make room. Duh!

Moving forward? You don’t think they still don’t have a plan for Isaac? The guy has been on our roster for 2-3 years without playing a significant amount of games. You think they still have no idea what to do with him? Do you think it is normal to disclose everything in your life?

Intangible benefits? Management has publicly supported Isaac voicing his opinion. Same goes with his teammates at that time. I wonder why players still sign here and say good things about management.

Let’s be objective when criticizing players. Don’t mix your political views here.

[yoyojw17]

The saving grace for him here is we might be the smallest possible market. Hell the local paper just fired the one beat reporter we had. There is no one to ask the teammates and blow this thing up. I slept on it and I still don’t think he should do it but the risk of it being a problem is low. All his focus should be coming back if not practically for media purposes only. If he wants to take on this business he probably should be waived.

Speaking as to his rights to do this because of injuries that is fine but many businesses will ask you to stop doing stuff in your personal time (YouTube channel, podcasts). If it even has the appearance of hurting them. I think this falls into that bucket. I feel like my opinion would be 180 if he wasn’t just coming off another injury. He is not doing himself any favors.

He’s not doing himself any favors? Why? Because he’s disagreeing with a percentage of the population while there’s a percentage who does agree?

Clearly his employer isn’t asking him to stop. He’s been on this train for a few years. If anything they are realizing the window is almost shut. Issac isn’t quite ready to shut it but is preparing for that strong possibility. Meanwhile he’s still in the gym. Still getting surgeries. Still getting on the court. He’s still attempting to play is my point.

Remember GHill? Dude’s career was done. Went to Phoenix and bam, was a important contributor to that team. He was also older.

I’m not saying to agree with his beliefs. That’s up to you and honestly I don’t care. I’m just saying he’s not doing anything different professionally than anyone else would do.

See my posts above I have said like 3-4 times it isn’t about political topics. I was totally fine with the interviews and even book stuff because he probably hired a writer. But running a business is a full time job to say those are equivalent I think is incorrect.

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-lebron-james-the-businessman-fenway-sports-group-springhill-entertainment-uninterrupted-blaze-pizza-ladder-athletes-companies

Lebron found the time... Just saying . Lol... Well 5 times over he did.

Promoting a company of his own in his spare time is his business as long as he puts in the work. Plus.... He probably cycles in and out. During the season I really doubt he's putting in the same effort as over the summer. And as was stated... I'm sure he has a lot of help. Lol... And not doing "everything" all the way down to design. But... He is the main pocket which funds the growth

[Magic_Kingdom]

Real question. What would you gain by doing this? What is your calculated reason?

Or is this just personal butthurtness?

1) $10 million in salary cap space this summer.
2) A roster spot.
3) Clarity moving forward (rather than penciling JI into a rotation spot he will never fill).
4) Locker room intangible benefits. They will never say it publicly, but what are the chances that the other 14 guys on this roster enjoy the fact that the player making the most money, a) never plays, and b) has made it his personal mission to speak out against black people protesting injustice?

I’m sure management would waive him and free roster spot if there was someone worth it. That’s just common sense. If there is a player that comes along that is worth our while, we do that. Otherwise, we’re also giving up free money for him because his money is partially guaranteed. Also, insurance is paying for his deal, not the team.

Waiving him for the sake of just waiving him isn’t a smart thing either. Roster spot to sign who? Admiral Schofield type of players? Again, if someone is worth our while, we’ll obviously make room. Duh!

Moving forward? You don’t think they still don’t have a plan for Isaac? The guy has been on our roster for 2-3 years without playing a significant amount of games. You think they still have no idea what to do with him? Do you think it is normal to disclose everything in your life?

Intangible benefits? Management has publicly supported Isaac voicing his opinion. Same goes with his teammates at that time. I wonder why players still sign here and say good things about management.

Let’s be objective when criticizing players. Don’t mix your political views here.

You have no idea what my political views are, and I have no idea what yours are. Maybe read my post again. I said it's unlikely that JI's political views don't bother his teammates. Do you really think that's going out on a limb? You think Cole, WCJ and Fultz are all perfectly cool with it? What do you expect them to say in interviews?

As for players signing here and saying good things about management -- who are you talking about? Name the last above-average free agent who signed here. I can name more times this team has been the butt of jokes by LeBron and Draymond than quality free agents have signed here in the last decade.

I like how the same people who constantly demand that others give them reasons to waive Isaac, never offer reasons to keep him. Well, except for "what difference does it make, insurance pays his salary." This is the difference between the Miami Heat and the Orlando Magic in a microcosm. Zero effort to improve, zero chances taken. Perfectly content to have the highest-paid player on your team for the third consecutive year NEVER PLAY.

But my absolute favorite part of your analysis is that the team surely has a plan for Isaac, because, well, they must. After all, he's been here so long, and basically never played, therefore they must have a plan. I assume their plan was for him to play basketball, but we're about 3 years past the point where they should have moved to Plan B.

[uraverage]

If he is ready to play at the beginning of the season you play him, if not you cut him. Atleast this year he looked like he put on some muscle/thickness in his twig like legs, which should help his durability.

[RookieStar]

One hand Im in the " Go woke Go broke " mindset

On the other hand Im also " freedom of speech go what you want as long as you arent breaking laws "

On my third hand a healthy JI makes drafting Hendricks redundant. Hmmmm....