2023 NBA Draft

[The Moose]

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[thelead]

Disappointed that Zach Edey won't be in the league next year. Was genuinely curious to see if he would translate. I was hopeful that he would.

[CP War Hawks]

Bona and Holmes are a bit surprising. That just means it's gonna be a premium for defensive bigs ala Lively.

[SNPA]

post combine rankings - likely final rankings at this point

1 Victor Wembanyama

2 Scoot Henderson
3 Anthony Black

4 Keyonte George
5 Cam Whitmore
6 Taylor Hendricks
7 Jarace Walker
8 Brandon Miller
9 Ausar Thompson
10 Julian Phillips
11 Gradey Dick
12 Amen Thompson
13 Jalen Hood-Schifino
14 Jordan Hawkins

15 Leonard Miller
16 Dariq Whitehead
17 Cason Wallace
18 Dereck Lively
19 Andre Jackson Jr.
20 Trey Alexander
21 Noah Clowney
22 Bilal Coulibaly
23 Kobe Bufkin
24 Brandin Podziemski
25 Judah Mintz
26 Mouhamed Gueye
27 GG Jackson
28 Trayce Jackson-Davis
29 Nick Smith Jr.
30 Jett Howard

Murray?

[clyde21]

post combine rankings - likely final rankings at this point

1 Victor Wembanyama

2 Scoot Henderson
3 Anthony Black

4 Keyonte George
5 Cam Whitmore
6 Taylor Hendricks
7 Jarace Walker
8 Brandon Miller
9 Ausar Thompson
10 Julian Phillips
11 Gradey Dick
12 Amen Thompson
13 Jalen Hood-Schifino
14 Jordan Hawkins

15 Leonard Miller
16 Dariq Whitehead
17 Cason Wallace
18 Dereck Lively
19 Andre Jackson Jr.
20 Trey Alexander
21 Noah Clowney
22 Bilal Coulibaly
23 Kobe Bufkin
24 Brandin Podziemski
25 Judah Mintz
26 Mouhamed Gueye
27 GG Jackson
28 Trayce Jackson-Davis
29 Nick Smith Jr.
30 Jett Howard

Murray?

probably will be in the next iteration when I take out Mintz/Alexander since they're returning

really there are a lot of players that can go in that 15-30 range, he's one of them, but I think it's a pretty deep draft and once you get low enough in the rankings the differences become negligible

[crows2]

post combine rankings - likely final rankings at this point

Murray?

probably will be in the next iteration when I take out Mintz/Alexander since they're returning

really there are a lot of players that can go in that 15-30 range, he's one of them, but I think it's a pretty deep draft and once you get low enough in the rankings the differences become negligible

Looks like a pretty good list if I'm honest. Only a few that stand out as out of the box:
- I don't think Black is in the same tier as Scoot.
- Phillips is obviously a tier higher than what most people have him. If, and only if, he can develop a 3pt shot I think he can end up in that 3rd tier as his career progresses. He'll be an interesting watch.
- Whitehead seems almost impossible to evaluate. I have no idea where I'd put him within that 4th tier.
- Murray, Sensabaugh and Rupert seem to be the three consensus tier 4 prospects who you've left out. Where would you have them?

[clyde21]

Murray?

probably will be in the next iteration when I take out Mintz/Alexander since they're returning

really there are a lot of players that can go in that 15-30 range, he's one of them, but I think it's a pretty deep draft and once you get low enough in the rankings the differences become negligible

Looks like a pretty good list if I'm honest. Only a few that stand out as out of the box:
- I don't think Black is in the same tier as Scoot.
- Phillips is obviously a tier higher than what most people have him. If, and only if, he can develop a 3pt shot I think he can end up in that 3rd tier as his career progresses. He'll be an interesting watch.
- Whitehead seems almost impossible to evaluate. I have no idea where I'd put him within that 4th tier.
- Murray, Sensabaugh and Rupert seem to be the three consensus tier 4 prospects who you've left out. Where would you have them?

same area, 15-30 tier but most likely towards the bottom of it if I had to specific where in that tier.

agreed on DWH, just depends on your risk averseness as a GM and if you are willing to wait a couple of years for the returns, but honestly every time I doubt DWH I go back and watch his HS tape. I know it's just HS take and it doesn't mean much in grand scheme of things but i'd be willing to take a bet mid first with no issues.

[BostonCouchGM]

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this weak draft class just got worse. I can't think of a weaker class? Maybe 2015? I feel bad for all the teams that have multiple picks and were hoping this draft could set them up for years. There'll be no takers if they try to trade up and nobody will want to trade a future pick in much better draft classes for one in this year's.

[The-Power]

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this weak draft class just got worse. I can't think of a weaker class? Maybe 2015? I feel bad for all the teams that have multiple picks and were hoping this draft could set them up for years. There'll be no takers if they try to trade up and nobody will want to trade a future pick in much better draft classes for one in this year's.

What effect do the players withdrawing from the draft have on teams that were hoping to draft multiple players as long-term pieces? The draft became less deep in the second round. That's about it.

[babyjax13]

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this weak draft class just got worse. I can't think of a weaker class? Maybe 2015? I feel bad for all the teams that have multiple picks and were hoping this draft could set them up for years. There'll be no takers if they try to trade up and nobody will want to trade a future pick in much better draft classes for one in this year's.

What effect do the players withdrawing from the draft have on teams that were hoping to draft multiple players as long-term pieces? The draft became less deep in the second round. That's about it.

I'm assuming it must be a joke? Obviously losing 10 players ranked ~45-90 depending on your board is not a huge deal.

[clyde21]

also - happens literally every year, not everyone that can stay in the draft stays in the draft, these players went back to school because they didn't get the evals from teams they were hoping to get.

[BostonCouchGM]

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this weak draft class just got worse. I can't think of a weaker class? Maybe 2015? I feel bad for all the teams that have multiple picks and were hoping this draft could set them up for years. There'll be no takers if they try to trade up and nobody will want to trade a future pick in much better draft classes for one in this year's.

What effect do the players withdrawing from the draft have on teams that were hoping to draft multiple players as long-term pieces? The draft became less deep in the second round. That's about it.

this can't be a serious question. If an already weak draft class, loses talent, it becomes even weaker. It decreases the chances one of these teams with multiple picks has of hitting on one of their picks. Instead of landing a starter and two contributing role players, maybe now it's two role players and a g-leaguer instead. Just using the Jazz and Pacers, since both could have fought and potentially gotten into the play-in had they wanted to...they're both a starter and depth away from being legit playoff contenders. This might be the draft that gets them there but less talent decreases that chance. It also decreases their chances of trading up and decreases the chances that the several teams without a first rounder might be willing to trade back into the first for one of their picks. This is all common sense. This is a draft class of high end talent 1-5 then a slew of role players. Now there's just worse role players

[EMG518]

People think this is a weak draft, weird.

[kobyz]

Do you think Charlotte would be interested in #6 an #11 for #2?

[EMG518]

I see Derick Lively moving up peoples boards.


I am curious how people see Lively vs Jaxson Hayes when he was a prospect.

[EvanZ]

Lively moved up my board a long time ago. Had him as high as 5 at one point and now he’s around 10 which is probably where he ends up. People are slow to catch on. He’s going to be a legit defensive force. Couldn’t say that for sure for Hayes.


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[ItsDanger]

Just look at past drafts. Lot of guys flame out after just 1 or 2 seasons from 1st rounds. Lot of factors involved let alone just individual talent. Opportunity is a big part of that. When people label drafts as weak or strong, its usually a reflection of the high end star talent. That's a casual take. Players that are a tier or 2 below all star level have tremendous value. Even role players which I see a lot in this draft that slot in at #6-#9 in your rotation have a lot of value especially on cheap contracts. Problem with the NBA is the league, rules, content carriers, etc all support a star driven league.

[HiDef]

I really like Lively, I also really love Nnaji. The past few years of prospects at the 5 have probably screwed up the value for these guys. too many disappointing athletic 5s. but those two are next level.

[BostonCouchGM]

Just look at past drafts. Lot of guys flame out after just 1 or 2 seasons from 1st rounds. Lot of factors involved let alone just individual talent. Opportunity is a big part of that. When people label drafts as weak or strong, its usually a reflection of the high end star talent. That's a casual take. Players that are a tier or 2 below all star level have tremendous value. Even role players which I see a lot in this draft that slot in at #6-#9 in your rotation have a lot of value especially on cheap contracts. Problem with the NBA is the league, rules, content carriers, etc all support a star driven league.

A draft, imho, is weak, simply due to having less overall talent However you arrive at the label, at the end of the day, talent level found throughout the draft is the only reasonable way to judge a draft class. Just look at the supposed GOAT draft class of 2003. IMHO it's an average at best class because after the top elite players (Wade, Bosh, Melo, Lebron) are off the board it's dreadful with just a few decent role players and a slew of busts. But 4 Hall of Famers!! Would Bosh make the HOF if not for forming a super team? What did Melo ever win? So even the elite talent wasn't so incredible that it elevates that otherwise weak af draft class. The real casual take is saying a class is strong because it has a few elite guys at the top and ignoring the other 55+ picks after.

The 2016 draft was/is labeled weak by casuals because they felt it was a "two-player draft" at the top when in actuality it's on the stronger side with the ROY taken in the 2nd round (Brogdon), 4 all-NBA players (Simmons, Brown, Sabonis, Siakam), three other all-stars in Ingram, Dejounte (taken #29) and VanVleet (undrafted) plus a slew of productive starters (Hield, Murray, Poeltl, Zubac, and LeVert). Yet, before that draft 95% of this board thought it was a weak draft class. Most of the prolific posters on here STILL say it's weak because they're incapable of admitting their wrong.

I see some pretty stellar talent at the top and some promise throughout but a lot of them would have to hit for me to be wrong. Theres really no outliers with elite traits (physical or athletic) which makes me think there's a possibility a late 1st or 2nd round pick will turn into an all-star. There's just a bunch of very flawed, physically and athletically average guys, with many being older, after the lottery. I'll happily admit I was wrong if it turns out strong unlike others.

[amcoolio]

Do you think Charlotte would be interested in #6 an #11 for #2?

No, not after Scoot's workouts. He looks incredible.