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Re: Who Should We Hire for Assistant Coaches? 

Post#141 » by Hal14 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 7:16 pm

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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:There is no better candidate to be an assistant to Joe than Doc Rivers. Not even talking about an Xs and Os standpoint here. Doc knows what it’s like being a young, black coach, and he knows what it’s like being a coach in Boston and the media scrutiny that comes with it. He also has experience as an NBA player. Doc got his first head coaching gig at 38, so a few years older than Joe is right now. Both were gritty PGs. They have a lot of things in common.

There’s a reason why Doc pulled his name from the Suns coaching gig. I think he’s coming back to Boston. Given his age, I think he’s at the point in his career where he still loves coaching, but is probably fine taking a backseat and not being the main guy anymore.


This team has enough chokers. Doc can stay as far any from this organization as possible. This is a coach who has lost the most NBA playoffs series in NBA history, after having the series lead.

We're not asking him to be the head coach.

One thing I think Mazzulla isn't the greatest at is managing the egos/personalities of players on his team, and sometimes just looks a little unsure of what to do/say in certain situations.

Doc is a very good manager of egos/personalities. That 2008 team had some crazy egos and intense personalities - yet those players all loved/respected Doc, they played their a%%es off for him and won a title.

And Doc has tons of coaching experience so he can give some advice here and there to Joe to help him out in certain situations when it's needed.

If Doc is willing to do it - I'm all for it.
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Re: Who Should We Hire for Assistant Coaches? 

Post#142 » by Hal14 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 7:25 pm

bisme37 wrote:Stotts was on NBATV doing commentary a couple months ago and he was negative on the Celtics and also seemed like a super boring guy who didn't make great points in his analysis.

Reddick I find extremely arrogant and smarmy and I just don't like him.

This concludes my grumpy post poo-pooing on two candidates who would probably be fine but I'm just not personal fans of them haha.

The last coach we had who came across kind of arrogant and smarmy led us to the NBA finals :wink:
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Re: Who Should We Hire for Assistant Coaches? 

Post#143 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Sat Jun 3, 2023 7:29 pm

bisme37 wrote:Stotts was on NBATV doing commentary a couple months ago and he was negative on the Celtics and also seemed like a super boring guy who didn't make great points in his analysis.

Reddick I find extremely arrogant and smarmy and I just don't like him.

This concludes my grumpy post poo-pooing on two candidates who would probably be fine but I'm just not personal fans of them haha.


Got some guys on the discord (not an ad!!!) who are quite knowledgeable about JJ and they are very high on him as a coach. Was practically coaching the Sixers huddles. Lol
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Re: Who Should We Hire for Assistant Coaches? 

Post#144 » by bisme37 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 7:30 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
bisme37 wrote:Stotts was on NBATV doing commentary a couple months ago and he was negative on the Celtics and also seemed like a super boring guy who didn't make great points in his analysis.

Reddick I find extremely arrogant and smarmy and I just don't like him.

This concludes my grumpy post poo-pooing on two candidates who would probably be fine but I'm just not personal fans of them haha.


Got some guys on the discord (not an ad!!!) who are quite knowledgeable about JJ and they are very high on him as a coach. Was practically coaching the Sixers huddles. Lol


Yeah maybe. I just have a hard time stomaching a retired inconsequential role player who thinks he's better than Larry Bird.
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Re: Who Should We Hire for Assistant Coaches? 

Post#145 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Sat Jun 3, 2023 7:33 pm

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CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:There is no better candidate to be an assistant to Joe than Doc Rivers. Not even talking about an Xs and Os standpoint here. Doc knows what it’s like being a young, black coach, and he knows what it’s like being a coach in Boston and the media scrutiny that comes with it. He also has experience as an NBA player. Doc got his first head coaching gig at 38, so a few years older than Joe is right now. Both were gritty PGs. They have a lot of things in common.

There’s a reason why Doc pulled his name from the Suns coaching gig. I think he’s coming back to Boston. Given his age, I think he’s at the point in his career where he still loves coaching, but is probably fine taking a backseat and not being the main guy anymore.


This team has enough chokers. Doc can stay as far any from this organization as possible. This is a coach who has lost the most NBA playoffs series in NBA history, after having the series lead.


Not asking him to make decisions. Just asking him to be a dad to the coaching staff. Think of him as the Blake Griffin for coaches.
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Post#146 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Jun 3, 2023 8:12 pm

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Re: Who Should We Hire for Assistant Coaches? 

Post#147 » by canman1971 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 8:15 pm

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They will be fine. There are much worse options out there as opposed to coaching the Boston Freaking Celtics. Good luck in Houston and the abyss.
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Post#148 » by Larry_Russell » Sat Jun 3, 2023 9:42 pm

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They will be fine. There are much worse options out there as opposed to coaching the Boston Freaking Celtics. Good luck in Houston and the abyss.



Doesnt it say something though when ALL the assistants walk away from the franchise (joe and brad) to a much worse one?
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Post#149 » by Hal14 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 9:46 pm

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They will be fine. There are much worse options out there as opposed to coaching the Boston Freaking Celtics. Good luck in Houston and the abyss.



Doesnt it say something though when ALL the assistants walk away from the franchise (joe and brad) to a much worse one?

That's hyperbole. They didn't "all" leave.

4 of them are leaving. 1 of them might leave. And 5 of them are still here.

The ones who are leaving were brought here by Ime - not Mazzulla.

It's for the best for Mazzulla to hire his own staff anyways - start fresh - instead of working with assistants who were brought on by a previous coach.
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Post#150 » by Bar Fight » Sat Jun 3, 2023 9:50 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
return2glory wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:There is no better candidate to be an assistant to Joe than Doc Rivers. Not even talking about an Xs and Os standpoint here. Doc knows what it’s like being a young, black coach, and he knows what it’s like being a coach in Boston and the media scrutiny that comes with it. He also has experience as an NBA player. Doc got his first head coaching gig at 38, so a few years older than Joe is right now. Both were gritty PGs. They have a lot of things in common.

There’s a reason why Doc pulled his name from the Suns coaching gig. I think he’s coming back to Boston. Given his age, I think he’s at the point in his career where he still loves coaching, but is probably fine taking a backseat and not being the main guy anymore.


This team has enough chokers. Doc can stay as far any from this organization as possible. This is a coach who has lost the most NBA playoffs series in NBA history, after having the series lead.


Not asking him to make decisions. Just asking him to be a dad to the coaching staff. Think of him as the Blake Griffin for coaches.

I think you're underestimating Doc's ego lol. Going from a head coach for 20 years, to getting fired and joining the team you lost to as an assistant would be the biggest slice of humble pie ever served in the history of NBA coaching.
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Post#151 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Jun 3, 2023 9:55 pm

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Re: Who Should We Hire for Assistant Coaches? 

Post#152 » by return2glory » Sat Jun 3, 2023 10:16 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
return2glory wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:There is no better candidate to be an assistant to Joe than Doc Rivers. Not even talking about an Xs and Os standpoint here. Doc knows what it’s like being a young, black coach, and he knows what it’s like being a coach in Boston and the media scrutiny that comes with it. He also has experience as an NBA player. Doc got his first head coaching gig at 38, so a few years older than Joe is right now. Both were gritty PGs. They have a lot of things in common.

There’s a reason why Doc pulled his name from the Suns coaching gig. I think he’s coming back to Boston. Given his age, I think he’s at the point in his career where he still loves coaching, but is probably fine taking a backseat and not being the main guy anymore.


This team has enough chokers. Doc can stay as far any from this organization as possible. This is a coach who has lost the most NBA playoffs series in NBA history, after having the series lead.


Not asking him to make decisions. Just asking him to be a dad to the coaching staff. Think of him as the Blake Griffin for coaches.


I think of him as a choker. And it's not just an opinion, it's a fact. We need less chokers and more clutch players/coaches.
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Post#153 » by return2glory » Sat Jun 3, 2023 10:30 pm

Bohemian wrote:Nobody wants to stay with Joe... :noway:


Not that at all. These guys want to go with a cheater who puts sex before team and his family. Says a lot these guys that want to follow him to Houston.

Celtics should have gone with Monty or Vogel instead of Mazzula. I like Joe as coach but there were other options. With Wyc and the owners, it's not about winning titles. If it was, this was the year and they didn't do anything all season to add one or two more needed pieces to get them a ring. Everyone knew Al was getting up there in age and you can't count on Rob and yet they rolled the dice with these two. A lot of people felt we also needed a solid wing and did nothing to address that either.
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Re: Who Should We Hire for Assistant Coaches? 

Post#154 » by Hal14 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 10:37 pm

return2glory wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
return2glory wrote:
This team has enough chokers. Doc can stay as far any from this organization as possible. This is a coach who has lost the most NBA playoffs series in NBA history, after having the series lead.


Not asking him to make decisions. Just asking him to be a dad to the coaching staff. Think of him as the Blake Griffin for coaches.


I think of him as a choker. And it's not just an opinion, it's a fact. We need less chokers and more clutch players/coaches.

We need someone who has NBA coaching experience, someone who has won a NBA title - even better if he was the HC for a team that won an NBA title. And we need someone who is good at relating to players. Doc checks both boxes.
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Post#155 » by Hal14 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 10:39 pm

Wow. Borrego, Kevin Young, Jarron Collins and Kevin Ollie, have all agreed to coach for a different NBA team in the past couple of hours.

Rough afternoon.

Do something, Brad and Joe!
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Post#156 » by return2glory » Sat Jun 3, 2023 10:50 pm

Hal14 wrote:
return2glory wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Not asking him to make decisions. Just asking him to be a dad to the coaching staff. Think of him as the Blake Griffin for coaches.


I think of him as a choker. And it's not just an opinion, it's a fact. We need less chokers and more clutch players/coaches.

We need someone who has NBA coaching experience, someone who has won a NBA title - even better if he was the HC for a team that won an NBA title. And we need someone who is good at relating to players. Doc checks both boxes.


How is that NBA championship experience working out for him? He has lost the most playoff series of any coach in NBA history with his teams having a series lead.

The 2008 team won a championship despite Doc. Ainge with a little help from McHale gifted Doc and the franchise a title. Ainge got him KG (thanks to McHale), got him Ray, Posey, Cassell, House and PJ Brown. If that wasn't enough, Ainge also got Doc the best defensive assistant coach in the league at the time (coach Tibs). Doc almost managed to lose that year in the first round, to the Hawks. The Hawks took us to 7 games despite all that talent on the team. PJ Brown's jumper in the closing moments saved us from the Cavs later in the playoffs, despite us being the more talented and deeper team.

Doc is great at one thing, talking himself up to owners and the media.
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Post#157 » by Hal14 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 11:01 pm

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I think of him as a choker. And it's not just an opinion, it's a fact. We need less chokers and more clutch players/coaches.

We need someone who has NBA coaching experience, someone who has won a NBA title - even better if he was the HC for a team that won an NBA title. And we need someone who is good at relating to players. Doc checks both boxes.


How is that NBA championship experience working out for him? He has lost the most playoff series of any coach in NBA history with his teams having a series lead.

The 2008 team won a championship despite Doc. Ainge with a little help from McHale gifted Doc and the franchise a title. Ainge got him KG (thanks to McHale), got him Ray, Posey, Cassell, House and PJ Brown. If that wasn't enough, Ainge also got Doc the best defensive assistant coach in the league at the time (coach Tibs). Doc almost managed to lose that year in the first round, to the Hawks. The Hawks took us to 7 games despite all that talent on the team. PJ Brown's jumper in the closing moments saved us from the Cavs later in the playoffs, despite us being the more talented and deeper team.

Doc is great at one thing, talking himself up to owners and the media.

Teams with a bunch of star talent don't always win titles. Look at the 2011 Heat, the 98 Lakers, the 2004 lakers, the 97 rockets, the 2016 warriors, the 83 Celtics, 85 Celtics, the 84 Lakers. the 91 Pistons, etc. Can be very difficult to juggle/manage a bunch of stars who all want to be the man, juggle/manage lots of different egos.

When hiring an assistant, give me the guy who's won a title as a HC over the guy who hasn't done that.

Doc losing a series lead as a HC is less of a concern to me, when we're hiring him to be an assistant - not a HC.

Just my opinion.
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Post#158 » by Ben-N1ce » Sat Jun 3, 2023 11:18 pm

Doc won't be an assistant to Joe lol
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Post#159 » by Hal14 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 11:28 pm

Ben-N1ce wrote:Doc won't be an assistant to Joe lol

You never know.

Larry Brown was an assistant to Penny Hardaway last year. D'Antoni was an assistant under Steve Nash..

Doc just got fired - maybe he should be an assistant now instead of being a HC.
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Post#160 » by Hal14 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 11:29 pm

Damn, Stotts off the board now too.

What is today the official assistant coach hiring day in the league?
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