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basketballRob wrote:I don't think teams are beating down their door.Skybox wrote:basketballRob wrote:If I were Boston, I'd package Brogdon, White, Williams, and a few 1st-round picks for Lillard.
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Unfortunately POR has a vote
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cedric76 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:cedric76 wrote:
He isn't a SG? What does a SG do that SF can't do?
OG can defend SG or any other position for that matter, he even defended on jokic
Perfect next to Franz, Paolo and WCJ
With Paolo and Franz handling more and more the ball , you could use lineups like this:
Suggs
OG
Franz
Paolo
WCJ
He is too stiff of ballhandler, very limited passer, can't and/or doesn't run any action as ballhandler and takes literally no jumpshots from mid range at all. Pretty much very, very similar player, both skills and habbit vise to Franz. Because they are both SFs.
Your proposed lineup would have zero perimeter creativity, zero mid range shooting capability and would require Banchero to work over time as half court offense provider. That lineup literally doesn't even have capable ballhandler. We just saw what happened to Celtics once Tatum-iso-solo-yolo offense couldn't work. Brown and Smart couldn't set offense to save their lifes as Celtics pathetic 84 points. game happend in game 7 of ECF. This is what happends when you force players into playing down ,when SG becomes PG and SF becomes SG ( and when backup PG over night becomes only capable ballhandler team has).
There is lot of theorethical talk how Banchero is "ballhandler" but we saw almost nothing of him in that regard. He was both mediocre as pick&roll big man and ballhandler and averaged 4 apg on 3 turnovers on what? 5th worst offense? That's far cry from some "new Lebron" , "big playmaker" scenario. Banchero can create for others , but shouldn't be main ballhandler, and will never be main ballhandler on great team.
Suggs is Smart in regard of incapability of running funcional offense ( that's one of reasons why Celtics were always looking for various Brogdons, Irvings, Whites, Walkers of a world , so they have any sort of actual creativity on perimeter)
You obviously don't watch the raptors often, and old minded on how the game can be played
pepe1991 wrote:cedric76 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
He is too stiff of ballhandler, very limited passer, can't and/or doesn't run any action as ballhandler and takes literally no jumpshots from mid range at all. Pretty much very, very similar player, both skills and habbit vise to Franz. Because they are both SFs.
Your proposed lineup would have zero perimeter creativity, zero mid range shooting capability and would require Banchero to work over time as half court offense provider. That lineup literally doesn't even have capable ballhandler. We just saw what happened to Celtics once Tatum-iso-solo-yolo offense couldn't work. Brown and Smart couldn't set offense to save their lifes as Celtics pathetic 84 points. game happend in game 7 of ECF. This is what happends when you force players into playing down ,when SG becomes PG and SF becomes SG ( and when backup PG over night becomes only capable ballhandler team has).
There is lot of theorethical talk how Banchero is "ballhandler" but we saw almost nothing of him in that regard. He was both mediocre as pick&roll big man and ballhandler and averaged 4 apg on 3 turnovers on what? 5th worst offense? That's far cry from some "new Lebron" , "big playmaker" scenario. Banchero can create for others , but shouldn't be main ballhandler, and will never be main ballhandler on great team.
Suggs is Smart in regard of incapability of running funcional offense ( that's one of reasons why Celtics were always looking for various Brogdons, Irvings, Whites, Walkers of a world , so they have any sort of actual creativity on perimeter)
You obviously don't watch the raptors often, and old minded on how the game can be played
LoL, okey
Raptors run whole offense goes through Siakam, Vleet and some of simplistic stuff is faciliated through Barnes. Trent and OG are play finishers who don't create almost nothing for themselfs let alone others.
Game is played through most gifted, lucid and creative player, your proposed lineup has non
pepe1991 wrote:cedric76 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
He is too stiff of ballhandler, very limited passer, can't and/or doesn't run any action as ballhandler and takes literally no jumpshots from mid range at all. Pretty much very, very similar player, both skills and habbit vise to Franz. Because they are both SFs.
Your proposed lineup would have zero perimeter creativity, zero mid range shooting capability and would require Banchero to work over time as half court offense provider. That lineup literally doesn't even have capable ballhandler. We just saw what happened to Celtics once Tatum-iso-solo-yolo offense couldn't work. Brown and Smart couldn't set offense to save their lifes as Celtics pathetic 84 points. game happend in game 7 of ECF. This is what happends when you force players into playing down ,when SG becomes PG and SF becomes SG ( and when backup PG over night becomes only capable ballhandler team has).
There is lot of theorethical talk how Banchero is "ballhandler" but we saw almost nothing of him in that regard. He was both mediocre as pick&roll big man and ballhandler and averaged 4 apg on 3 turnovers on what? 5th worst offense? That's far cry from some "new Lebron" , "big playmaker" scenario. Banchero can create for others , but shouldn't be main ballhandler, and will never be main ballhandler on great team.
Suggs is Smart in regard of incapability of running funcional offense ( that's one of reasons why Celtics were always looking for various Brogdons, Irvings, Whites, Walkers of a world , so they have any sort of actual creativity on perimeter)
You obviously don't watch the raptors often, and old minded on how the game can be played
LoL, okey
Raptors run whole offense goes through Siakam, Vleet and some of simplistic stuff is faciliated through Barnes. Trent and OG are play finishers who don't create almost nothing for themselfs let alone others.
Game is played through most gifted, lucid and creative player, your proposed lineup has non
MasterGMer wrote:Now there is report saying that Lakers want to do sign and trade to replace DLo with FVV
drsd wrote:MasterGMer wrote:Now there is report saying that Lakers want to do sign and trade to replace DLo with FVV
There is a zero point zero percent chance the Magic trade F-Wagner for Russell.
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thelead wrote:drsd wrote:MasterGMer wrote:Now there is report saying that Lakers want to do sign and trade to replace DLo with FVV
There is a zero point zero percent chance the Magic trade F-Wagner for Russell.
Why did you bring up Franz? FVV =/= Franz (although typing it out, maybe you confused the two V’s for a W
bigdogdylan5 wrote:I can’t even imagine being in your head where you think all these guys especially Banchero are finished products.
Lol. 19.96, funny. That's 20 ppg. Are you sure Doncic wasn't 21.16?drsd wrote:bigdogdylan5 wrote:I can’t even imagine being in your head where you think all these guys especially Banchero are finished products.
Top 3 rookie scorers of the last years:
Banchero 19.96 ppg
Mathurin 16.7 ppg
Ivey 16.3ppg
Cunningham 17.4 ppg
Green 17.3 ppg
Barnes 15.3 ppg
Edwards 19.3 ppg
Ball 15.7ppg
Haliburton 13.0
Morant 17.8
Nunn 15.3ppg
Barrett 14.3ppg
Banchero is the best rookie scorer since 2018/19: Dončić 21.2ppg
The Magic's biggest weakness was scoring and the Magic drafted the best rookie scorer of the last 4 years. Look at some of those names above. Banchero is a legitimate threat to win a scoring title over his career. I love that the Magic drafted him.
drsd wrote:bigdogdylan5 wrote:I can’t even imagine being in your head where you think all these guys especially Banchero are finished products.
Top 3 rookie scorers of the last years:
Banchero 19.96 ppg
Mathurin 16.7 ppg
Ivey 16.3ppg
Cunningham 17.4 ppg
Green 17.3 ppg
Barnes 15.3 ppg
Edwards 19.3 ppg
Ball 15.7ppg
Haliburton 13.0
Morant 17.8
Nunn 15.3ppg
Barrett 14.3ppg
Banchero is the best rookie scorer since 2018/19: Dončić 21.2ppg
The Magic's biggest weakness was scoring and the Magic drafted the best rookie scorer of the last 4 years. Look at some of those names above. Banchero is a legitimate threat to win a scoring title over his career. I love that the Magic drafted him.
bigdogdylan5 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:cedric76 wrote:
You obviously don't watch the raptors often, and old minded on how the game can be played
LoL, okey
Raptors run whole offense goes through Siakam, Vleet and some of simplistic stuff is faciliated through Barnes. Trent and OG are play finishers who don't create almost nothing for themselfs let alone others.
Game is played through most gifted, lucid and creative player, your proposed lineup has non
I can’t even imagine being in your head where you think all these guys especially Banchero are finished products. God damn he just finished his rookie season. Where he was asked by the team to do an incredible amount. No one is saying he doesn’t have to get better starting with efficiency and creation but damn from this starting point I don’t know how you can say never. Can we give them to at least their third year before saying they can’t do anything. All these players you say can’t do this or that are like under the age 25 and haven’t even hit their early prime. I am not saying they will get better and might not be in our future but to say never… I just don’t get it.
bigdogdylan5 wrote:drsd wrote:bigdogdylan5 wrote:I can’t even imagine being in your head where you think all these guys especially Banchero are finished products.
Top 3 rookie scorers of the last years:
Banchero 19.96 ppg
Mathurin 16.7 ppg
Ivey 16.3ppg
Cunningham 17.4 ppg
Green 17.3 ppg
Barnes 15.3 ppg
Edwards 19.3 ppg
Ball 15.7ppg
Haliburton 13.0
Morant 17.8
Nunn 15.3ppg
Barrett 14.3ppg
Banchero is the best rookie scorer since 2018/19: Dončić 21.2ppg
The Magic's biggest weakness was scoring and the Magic drafted the best rookie scorer of the last 4 years. Look at some of those names above. Banchero is a legitimate threat to win a scoring title over his career. I love that the Magic drafted him.
I completely agree I have never felt we might have a star since Dwight till him. He does have stuff to work on his efficiency was not great but damn he lives basketball so I think he will continue to improve. He was 19-20 years old and was playing against grown men. I am just so worn out and tired of some people saying stuff like never with any of our guys under the age of 22. I actually don’t have a problem with saying ge has to be better but saying Franz and Paolo will never be perimeter creators is just… something hell Franz hasn’t even hit his critical year 3.
We get 15 roster spots and 2 two-way players.HighPack wrote:Goodbye Scrubb! Looking for a big man for that two-way slot?
