2023 Draft Discussion Part 6

alpngso · Post #241 » by **alpngso** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:54 am

Bilal hype train is on like Thon Maker, Pat Williams, and Jalen Williams.

Really interested to see how this ends

WuTang_CMB · Post #242 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:02 am

alpngso wrote:

Read on Twitter

Bilal hype train is on like Thon Maker, Pat Williams, and Jalen Williams.

Really interested to see how this ends

Tweet was a joke.

Jcity08 · Post #243 » by **Jcity08** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:19 am

720 wrote:If we take Bufkin the finishing ability around the rim would be so refreshing to see.

After watching slow ass inefficient Vanvleet for the past few years it’ll be a treat to watch.

Bufkin while not my 1st choice would be a treat to watch. Kid has a really sweet jumper and has hops.

Clutch0z24 · Post #244 » by **Clutch0z24** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:40 am

720 wrote:If we take Bufkin the finishing ability around the rim would be so refreshing to see.

After watching slow ass inefficient Vanvleet for the past few years it’ll be a treat to watch.

Bufkin is my pick if we stay at 13 with no additional moves....I wish we could get Bufkin/Hawkins that would fix our backcourt problems for the seeable future imo.

Thaddy · Post #245 » by **Thaddy** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:29 am

JHS's vertical athleticism might cause him to have issues finishing in the NBA.

Bufkin looks like he can shoot but will his body be able to handle the NBA.

Wallace is smaller than he was reported to be.

Hawkins is only a shooter and can't create with the ball.

Cissoko had a lot of air balls.

George sucked in college.

The 13th pick looks pretty sad if we're real about it. I think taking a risk on Coulibaly if he's there isn't a bad choice, the safest would be Wallace. I could see him being a day 1 back up guard for us. I don't have much hope in Banton, RHJr, and Dowtin.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #246 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 5:34 am

If Wallace's back is fine he's my choice followed by Bufkin

HumbleRen · Post #247 » by **HumbleRen** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:22 am

gha4life · Post #248 » by **gha4life** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 9:23 am

HumbleRen wrote:

U need this in crunch time

ATLTimekeeper · Post #249 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 11:32 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/which-ncaa-prospects-get-to-the-rim

This seems to dispute one of the knocks we keep hearing on Podziemski. Again, seems like the best guard available at where we're picking.

Whitmore's number was really impressive here. Physically imposing player that looks like he should pan out in some capacity, but doesn't have that bball iq that you want with a key player. Plus there were some maturity concerns at Villanova.

720 · Post #250 » by **720** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 11:36 am

HumbleRen wrote:

I like Wallace, especially his defense early in the season before the injury. I’m just a bit trepidatious because he already has leg injury issues and back spasm issues. As a guard that’s scary to me.

Red_Claw · Post #251 » by **Red_Claw** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 11:41 am

Watching Lowry last night in crunch time, we need that "dog".

Though its still a longshot, i see some "dog" in Cason Wallace and i also think he's the safest bet at 13.

Rodrickle · Post #252 » by **Rodrickle** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 12:17 pm

Thaddy wrote:JHS's vertical athleticism might cause him to have issues finishing in the NBA.

Bufkin looks like he can shoot but will his body be able to handle the NBA.

Wallace is smaller than he was reported to be.

Hawkins is only a shooter and can't create with the ball.

Cissoko had a lot of air balls.

George sucked in college.

The 13th pick looks pretty sad if we're real about it. I think taking a risk on Coulibaly if he's there isn't a bad choice, the safest would be Wallace. I could see him being a day 1 back up guard for us. I don't have much hope in Banton, RHJr, and Dowtin.

Bufkin to me is wiry strong, and he did gain 10 pounds in the past year. He's 187 lbs now and I think can easily can get to 195 or so next year. For reference Terquavion Smith is like 163 lbs and is around the same height (about an inch shorter).

ATLTimekeeper · Post #253 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:15 pm

Bufkin's lane agility score stunk for a guard. Weak standing vert, too. He's a solid athlete but nothing that will help him stand out, so his upside will be tied to improving his shooting efficiency and proving his frame can hold up over 82 games + playoffs.

Right now my wish list is:

1. Miller
2. Coulibaly
3. Cissoko
4. Podziemski
5. Black

I think at least 3 will be available at our pick, possibly all 5.

Thaddy · Post #254 » by **Thaddy** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:15 pm

Rodrickle wrote:
Thaddy wrote:JHS's vertical athleticism might cause him to have issues finishing in the NBA.

Bufkin looks like he can shoot but will his body be able to handle the NBA.

Wallace is smaller than he was reported to be.

Hawkins is only a shooter and can't create with the ball.

Cissoko had a lot of air balls.

George sucked in college.

The 13th pick looks pretty sad if we're real about it. I think taking a risk on Coulibaly if he's there isn't a bad choice, the safest would be Wallace. I could see him being a day 1 back up guard for us. I don't have much hope in Banton, RHJr, and Dowtin.

Bufkin to me is wiry strong, and he did gain 10 pounds in the past year. He's 187 lbs now and I think can easily can get to 195 or so next year. For reference Terquavion Smith is like 163 lbs and is around the same height (about an inch shorter).

Bufkin reportedly was 196lbs at the combine. He's putting in work and improving but that's still very light, there's some doubt he can keep that weight over the course of a 82 game season.

Wallace's back issues might have him drop to us. If we got 15-20 bench minutes from both Wallace and OPJ off our bench next season we would look much better than last season. The potential for a Wallace and Fred back court (2 PG) would be good. It gives us additional ball handling and forces Fred to play off ball.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #255 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:28 pm

Thaddy wrote:Bufkin reportedly was 196lbs at the combine. He's putting in work and improving but that's still very light, there's some doubt he can keep that weight over the course of a 82 game season.

No, you can search it up. 187 lbs. 195ish is probably where he'll end up, which is roughly Jordan Poole size.

HumbleRen · Post #256 » by **HumbleRen** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:32 pm

190 is more than fine as a guard in this league.

Post #257 » by **Duffman100** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:35 pm

Seems even at 13 we're going to get a quality player with good upside. That's good to hear.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #258 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:37 pm

The problem with drafting Coulibaly over Wallace or Bufkin is that he is extremely north-south, far behind them as a shooter and doesn't have a pullup game which will be necessary when he faces teams with interior defense. He either shoots 3's or goes all the way to the hole mostly which is another indication of how far behind he is. The guy is a perfect candidate to replace Anunoby down the line as an SF who lives on the baseline although he has shown flashes from the top of the arc there is no guarantee he will be a SG but if we want OG here long term he makes zero sense despite posters saying "there is room for him on the bench".

ATLTimekeeper · Post #259 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:44 pm

If his floor, according to you, is elite 3rd-4th option with very good defense then he's a better choice than OG, so of course that's the right decision. They can play together in the interim, and then if Coulibaly reaches his ceiling he can still play with OG.

HumbleRen · Post #260 » by **HumbleRen** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:46 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:The problem with drafting Coulibaly over Wallace or Bufkin is that he is extremely north-south, far behind them as a shooter and doesn't have a pullup game which will be necessary when he faces teams with interior defense. He either shoots 3's or goes all the way to the hole mostly which is another indication of how far behind he is. The guy is a perfect candidate to replace Anunoby down the line as an SF who lives on the baseline although he has shown flashes from the top of the arc there is no guarantee he will be a SG but if we want OG here long term he makes zero sense despite posters saying "there is room for him on the bench".

Drafting him or Leonard Miller only makes sense to me if we’re moving Siakam for Scoot.