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2023 Draft Discussion Part 6

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#361 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:05 pm

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I think Washington will take a long look at NSJ. He played for Beal's AAU team in the past.

Nick has already worked out for Toronto like Cason did. I am guessing they are competing together given that Cason was doing Wizards interviews today like NSJ.

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Sorry Cason, but Nick has a way better and faster jumper than you do.


Unfortunately we were already enlightened by a poster here that NSJ isn't well conditioned enough to handle an NBA workout and hits his vape pen when things don't go well.

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#362 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:07 pm

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Not great for Smith at times, but Cason seemingly missed more - at least it seemed that way.

Plus, Cason has a weird slow release. He has a very drawn out follow-through and his dip before he shoots shows kind of not perfect mechanics.


NSJ was garbage in that clip what did you watch


Just keeping a count of the shots and both made around the same amount, maybe Nick made 1 more. I do like Nick's form a lot better and it is more fluid. That said, Cason shot it about the same and is a better defender, so maybe edge to Cason overall.

Wizards likely have Black/Smith Jr./Wallace as their shortlist. Wallace seems like the best fit with Beal because they need the defense and his solid scoring. Black has more positional versatility to defend and run the offense. Smith Jr. will be close because he has great upside and I think is pretty tight with Beal who likely has some say in who they consider.


I'll laugh if Wizards take NSJ. Nothing to really get excited about. I see him in the mold of a Jordan Clarkson type. I wouldn't take that in top 10. They should really be taking Anthony Black. That would be an intelligent pick, something they haven't done in years. Lol
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#363 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:08 pm

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NSJ was garbage in that clip what did you watch


Just keeping a count of the shots and both made around the same amount, maybe Nick made 1 more. I do like Nick's form a lot better and it is more fluid. That said, Cason shot it about the same and is a better defender, so maybe edge to Cason overall.

Wizards likely have Black/Smith Jr./Wallace as their shortlist. Wallace seems like the best fit with Beal because they need the defense and his solid scoring. Black has more positional versatility to defend and run the offense. Smith Jr. will be close because he has great upside and I think is pretty tight with Beal who likely has some say in who they consider.


I'll laugh if Wizards take NSJ. Nothing to really get excited about. I see him in the mold of a Jordan Clarkson type. I wouldn't take that in top 10. They should really be taking Anthony Black. That would be an intelligent pick, something they haven't done in years. Lol

Black is a tier above Wallace and at least 2 tiers above NSJ. If Black is there and Washington passes they cannot be saved.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#364 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:08 pm

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I think Washington will take a long look at NSJ. He played for Beal's AAU team in the past.

Nick has already worked out for Toronto like Cason did. I am guessing they are competing together given that Cason was doing Wizards interviews today like NSJ.

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Sorry Cason, but Nick has a way better and faster jumper than you do.


Unfortunately we were already enlightened by a poster here that NSJ isn't well conditioned enough to handle an NBA workout and hits his vape pen when things don't go well.

No no no guys it’s guaranteed to be Brice Sensabaugh, my bad, not guaranteed but like 98% because Nostradamus ain’t got nothing on me.


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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#365 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:13 pm

Dude is still doubling down

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#366 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:17 pm

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Unfortunately we were already enlightened by a poster here that NSJ isn't well conditioned enough to handle an NBA workout and hits his vape pen when things don't go well.

No no no guys it’s guaranteed to be Brice Sensabaugh, my bad, not guaranteed but like 98% because Nostradamus ain’t got nothing on me.



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Post#367 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:20 pm

It doesn't take a genius to realize if there's 1 dirty apple and 9 clean ones in a bag and you know that the first 9 you remove are clean, the last remaining one is the dirty one.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#368 » by Snowwy » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:23 pm

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Just keeping a count of the shots and both made around the same amount, maybe Nick made 1 more. I do like Nick's form a lot better and it is more fluid. That said, Cason shot it about the same and is a better defender, so maybe edge to Cason overall.

Wizards likely have Black/Smith Jr./Wallace as their shortlist. Wallace seems like the best fit with Beal because they need the defense and his solid scoring. Black has more positional versatility to defend and run the offense. Smith Jr. will be close because he has great upside and I think is pretty tight with Beal who likely has some say in who they consider.


I'll laugh if Wizards take NSJ. Nothing to really get excited about. I see him in the mold of a Jordan Clarkson type. I wouldn't take that in top 10. They should really be taking Anthony Black. That would be an intelligent pick, something they haven't done in years. Lol

Black is a tier above Wallace and at least 2 tiers above NSJ. If Black is there and Washington passes they cannot be saved.

I think they are pretty different players. Really tough to see Black become more than a good role player with his poor shooting. For the Raptors, I think Black is a bad fit, I would prefer more shooting. For a team with a lot of shooting, Black is probably a better bet, but at least when I watch these guys, either looks to be such a good player that skill is more important than fit.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#369 » by ATLTimekeeper » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:33 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:I get the feeling we're taking Leonard Miller, which would be underwhelming after all the buildup, but he's solid. I can also see us taking Amari Bailey. He doesn't fit our typical type, but he's in the similar category as Bufkin, Drake ties, and he's a good defender.


You guys think one of the best drafting teams in the last decade is letting Drake influence the pick :lol:

I don't see why Miller is such a downer for people here, but I get that people are starting to dig in their heels now. I have as well. To me he does a lot of bankable things (rebound, motor, interior touch) and then there's some size to skill appeal as well.

Not saying Drake is making the pick, I’m saying he might just make a suggestion. Bailey was a secondary suggestion to Miller. He fits what we’re looking for as well. Bufkin fans need to familiarize themselves with Bailey if they haven’t done so already.


I'm sure Drake suggests people all the time. He's not a basketball scout, so why would his opinion have any impact on the Raptors?
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Post#370 » by Mark_83 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:33 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Cason from Kentucky, them dudes always got some latent hidden ceiling in them.

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Post#371 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:34 pm



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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#372 » by Childs » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:35 pm

Do we not have workout videos?
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#373 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:35 pm

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You guys think one of the best drafting teams in the last decade is letting Drake influence the pick :lol:

I don't see why Miller is such a downer for people here, but I get that people are starting to dig in their heels now. I have as well. To me he does a lot of bankable things (rebound, motor, interior touch) and then there's some size to skill appeal as well.

Not saying Drake is making the pick, I’m saying he might just make a suggestion. Bailey was a secondary suggestion to Miller. He fits what we’re looking for as well. Bufkin fans need to familiarize themselves with Bailey if they haven’t done so already.


I'm sure Drake suggests people all the time. He's not a basketball scout, so why would his opinion have any impact on the Raptors?

Let it go.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#374 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:47 pm

Drake: "Yo Masai, this is Drake calling. Listen homeboy, I need you to do me a solid and tell the scouting department and IBM Watson that this kid Amari Bailey is legit. I know firsthand because I used to bang his mom and then go watch his AAU games. Aiight, l8r."
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Post#375 » by Mark_83 » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:49 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:I'd rather take a swing on a high upside guy than go with a safer pick like Cason. Safe doesn't really move the needle. I'm sure Cason will be good, but his upside is probably solid starter. Getting these type of guys isn't that hard via trade or free agency. I don't care about position or ability to contribute right away nearly as much as a high potential impact, even it comes 3-4 years from now.


I sort of disagree. I mean eventually there is a breaking point in this logic where the upside swing is too great of a swing, instead of just taking the player that is obviously going to be good but maybe not a star like Flynn over Bane.

I guess what I'm saying is with this drafting thing, it's easy to overthink things and I really don't want the FO to do that and again miss out on a solid player.

As far as acquiring these kinds of players, I don't think we've ever acquired a solid starter in FA that I can remember.

I think the approach here is let's a guy who can get on the floor, impact the game in a positive way and still has some upside. We need guys who can actually play, and preferably a guard.

Would absolutely love an additional first or even a second. I, contrary to most popular opinions, believe this draft is going to be really good and would love to grab at least two or three guys. Although, I know that is very unlikely given the team's history.

A lot of players who become stars were not originally thought to have "star" potential" when they were drafted (e.g., Desmond Bane). Additionally, people discount the opportunity cost of missing on players and losing a developmental year. That can set you back in the longterm. This team and our championship was largely built off consistently hitting on our picks with rotation quality players (OG, Yak, Ross, Delon, Norm, SIakam). Sometimes those players even turn into stars like Bane. He wasn't considered a star talent. But if we had taken him instead of Flynn that could have changed so many things. Heck, if Flynn had become Vanvleet 2.0 like we hoped, we would be in a much better place now. Just hitting on picks has a lot of value, especially the higher up in the draft you are. I think that's partially why Nurse was fired, was his unwillingness to play and develop our young players. Missing on picks/not developing talent is an unsustainable strategy for any team.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#376 » by Psubs » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:51 pm

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Isn't he Tyson Chandler 2.0 that might be able to shoot from outside?
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Post#377 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Jun 5, 2023 10:55 pm

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Isn't he Tyson Chandler 2.0 that might be able to shoot from outside?


I don't like that comparison for Lively. His blk% will be a lot higher and he has a good feel for passing which can be developed. Chandler was a nonfactor as a facilitator and while a great overall defender wasn't able to protect the rim as well as Lively can. Then you factor in the potential long distance shooting and you have a much more complete performer.
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Post#378 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Jun 5, 2023 11:00 pm

I honestly like Lively so much I wouldn't be upset at all if Masai pulled the trigger on him at 13th. He's worth a year of big Banton and Dowtin minutes.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#379 » by Dalek » Mon Jun 5, 2023 11:06 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
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NSJ was garbage in that clip what did you watch


Just keeping a count of the shots and both made around the same amount, maybe Nick made 1 more. I do like Nick's form a lot better and it is more fluid. That said, Cason shot it about the same and is a better defender, so maybe edge to Cason overall.

Wizards likely have Black/Smith Jr./Wallace as their shortlist. Wallace seems like the best fit with Beal because they need the defense and his solid scoring. Black has more positional versatility to defend and run the offense. Smith Jr. will be close because he has great upside and I think is pretty tight with Beal who likely has some say in who they consider.


I'll laugh if Wizards take NSJ. Nothing to really get excited about. I see him in the mold of a Jordan Clarkson type. I wouldn't take that in top 10. They should really be taking Anthony Black. That would be an intelligent pick, something they haven't done in years. Lol


Wizards have a new GM hiring Will Dawkins from the Thunder. Would not be surprised that things improve substantially with better management. They also have a new president, too. So this is all new territory for them.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#380 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jun 5, 2023 11:08 pm

Dalek wrote:
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Just keeping a count of the shots and both made around the same amount, maybe Nick made 1 more. I do like Nick's form a lot better and it is more fluid. That said, Cason shot it about the same and is a better defender, so maybe edge to Cason overall.

Wizards likely have Black/Smith Jr./Wallace as their shortlist. Wallace seems like the best fit with Beal because they need the defense and his solid scoring. Black has more positional versatility to defend and run the offense. Smith Jr. will be close because he has great upside and I think is pretty tight with Beal who likely has some say in who they consider.


I'll laugh if Wizards take NSJ. Nothing to really get excited about. I see him in the mold of a Jordan Clarkson type. I wouldn't take that in top 10. They should really be taking Anthony Black. That would be an intelligent pick, something they haven't done in years. Lol


Wizards have a new GM hiring Will Dawkins from the Thunder. Would not be surprised that things improve substantially with better management. They also have a new president, too. So this is all new territory for them.


And if they take NSJ at 8, they should resign

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