2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

[yoyojw17]

Agreed.
He is

Bro i live in middle of f*** Europe so who knows more about Europien baketball? Somebody who heared about french league month ago or somebody who follows Euro basketball for 20 years? I assume you right?

Cedric made 14 000 posts and majority of them are "Ur wrung g' magic" . Guy has one of the worst +1 to post ratios on this forum because he can't elaborate nor articulate his own opinion to save his life.

If you have something to argue against me- argue with facts and arguments not with whatever you think you are doing ( tbh 99% of time you just spam youtube videos like nobody else can use youtube and write : "XY highlight video" )

You two are now head over heels about player you never seen single full basketball game in your lifes, because some twitter head told you he has " Jimmy Butler/ OG written all over him" and that he "outscored Wemby in one game" .

I can help you if you actually want to WATCH him play. in 4 days, you can catch stream on Spotklub ( Croatian/serbian tv channel, you know, place i'm from ) and they will have game 1 finals. Or i can provide stream of that game in inbox if you need.

You will be very shocked once you learn your favorite flavor of a month is 6'6 but apsolutley never puts ball on the floor nor tries to attack off dribble, yet those internet wannabe "scouts" are trying to sell you as "shooting guard" and than just smam you with percentages instad of volumen of his actual shots. Guy makes 0,5 threes a game as "shooter", in league where 3 point line stands at 20,5 feet. But who needs facts when guy on twitter wrote he is great? Who needs critical thinking? Who needs own head to make own opinons when twitter can provide one for you?

btw pss don't let Evan haters, hear you, but in league where Culibaliy averages 5 ppg, Evan averaged 14

Stop trolling, I live in France, you are clueless about French basketball or any basketball for that matter.
You just a hater.

For those speaking french, here is a nice video about people would followed Bilal since he is 15

Watch on YouTube

and for the rest of us that don't?lol can you give us a rundown... lol

[89Magicfan]

Agreed.
He is

Bro i live in middle of f*** Europe so who knows more about Europien baketball? Somebody who heared about french league month ago or somebody who follows Euro basketball for 20 years? I assume you right?

Cedric made 14 000 posts and majority of them are "Ur wrung g' magic" . Guy has one of the worst +1 to post ratios on this forum because he can't elaborate nor articulate his own opinion to save his life.

If you have something to argue against me- argue with facts and arguments not with whatever you think you are doing ( tbh 99% of time you just spam youtube videos like nobody else can use youtube and write : "XY highlight video" )

You two are now head over heels about player you never seen single full basketball game in your lifes, because some twitter head told you he has " Jimmy Butler/ OG written all over him" and that he "outscored Wemby in one game" .

I can help you if you actually want to WATCH him play. in 4 days, you can catch stream on Spotklub ( Croatian/serbian tv channel, you know, place i'm from ) and they will have game 1 finals. Or i can provide stream of that game in inbox if you need.

You will be very shocked once you learn your favorite flavor of a month is 6'6 but apsolutley never puts ball on the floor nor tries to attack off dribble, yet those internet wannabe "scouts" are trying to sell you as "shooting guard" and than just smam you with percentages instad of volumen of his actual shots. Guy makes 0,5 threes a game as "shooter", in league where 3 point line stands at 20,5 feet. But who needs facts when guy on twitter wrote he is great? Who needs critical thinking? Who needs own head to make own opinons when twitter can provide one for you?

btw pss don't let Evan haters, hear you, but in league where Culibaliy averages 5 ppg, Evan averaged 14

Stop trolling, I live in France, you are clueless about French basketball or any basketball for that matter.
You just a hater.

For those speaking french, here is a nice video about people would followed Bilal since he is 15

Watch on YouTube

I don’t mind drafting him and I don’t think Pepe is saying he wouldn’t either. I just wouldn’t with 6th or 11th pick.

[cedric76]

mentioned on the trade boards. but i would look at #11 for Simons. Simons has shown he can shoot and score in the NBA, willing passer and looking around the league his contract isnt bad at all. yes, defense not great, but that can be improved on. his age aligns well with the core.

Could then trade back from #6 if were not sold on a player and pick up another couple of picks. Convince Utah for #9 and #16.

I would prefer to gamble on the cheap rookie contract than expensive extension for limited player. His defense wont get much better, he has awful size and strength for a point guard, and he is not a point guard. He would have to guard wings, good luck with that. Portland was 28 in defensive ranking. 28 !!!!!!! Even pre allstar they were 27. Simons destroyed their defense and on offense he is nothing special. We want to put the ball in Franz hands or Simons ? He is even not that good off sceens.

What's annoying is that Simons has the tools to be an above average defender, he just needs to be taught OR want to do it

[zaymon]

mentioned on the trade boards. but i would look at #11 for Simons. Simons has shown he can shoot and score in the NBA, willing passer and looking around the league his contract isnt bad at all. yes, defense not great, but that can be improved on. his age aligns well with the core.

Could then trade back from #6 if were not sold on a player and pick up another couple of picks. Convince Utah for #9 and #16.

I would prefer to gamble on the cheap rookie contract than expensive extension for limited player. His defense wont get much better, he has awful size and strength for a point guard, and he is not a point guard. He would have to guard wings, good luck with that. Portland was 28 in defensive ranking. 28 !!!!!!! Even pre allstar they were 27. Simons destroyed their defense and on offense he is nothing special. We want to put the ball in Franz hands or Simons ? He is even not that good off sceens.

What's annoying is that Simons has the tools to be an above average defender, he just needs to be taught OR want to do it

6-2, slender frame, no awareness. Only fool would pay 25M for him, especially in the new CBA. I have high opinion about Weltman, he is no fool.

[fendilim]

I feel like we have to come out of this draft with a wing. Not sure there will be any ones with good outcomes at 11. Currently thinking . Previously was in favor of two of: cason, hendricks, gradey

This is where i am at now:
6. Hendricks
11. Lively

We can sign a shooter. Hendricks shoots well.

Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Harris or FA/Houstan
Franz/Hendricks
Paolo/JI/Bol
WCJ/Lively/MoVV

I try to picture what WCJ would look like on the Heat or the Celtics...I just can't see it. Lively is going to be a difference maker on the defensive side.

Hendricks add shooting and defense to the perimeter. We will need to upgrade PG through trade, FA, or development. It's just not available in this draft.

Hendricks and Lively should be very good NBA rotation players around the same time Paolo and Franz are starting to hit their upside.

so we draft hendricks as our shooter and have him come off the bench? Wcj is better than him atm. Having hendricks off the bench doesnt solve our shooting woes, imo. Then we add Lively too?

[tiderulz]

mentioned on the trade boards. but i would look at #11 for Simons. Simons has shown he can shoot and score in the NBA, willing passer and looking around the league his contract isnt bad at all. yes, defense not great, but that can be improved on. his age aligns well with the core.

Could then trade back from #6 if were not sold on a player and pick up another couple of picks. Convince Utah for #9 and #16.

I would prefer to gamble on the cheap rookie contract than expensive extension for limited player. His defense wont get much better, he has awful size and strength for a point guard, and he is not a point guard. He would have to guard wings, good luck with that. Portland was 28 in defensive ranking. 28 !!!!!!! Even pre allstar they were 27. Simons destroyed their defense and on offense he is nothing special. We want to put the ball in Franz hands or Simons ? He is even not that good off sceens.

can you explain this? how was his strength measured? Simons 6'2+ barefoot (small for a SG) with a 6'9+ wingspan (very good for his position) Donovan Mitchell at 6'1 with 6'10 wingspan, doesnt seem to have hurt him much. You can live with 1 guard that is subpar defensively, and yes, you can improve the defense. Simons more athletic than JJ, if Redick can get passable defense wise, Simons could. Portland had a 28 defensive ranking, so that is all Simons fault? not the bad defense Nurkic? not like Portland has been known for defense for a long long time

[tiderulz]

mentioned on the trade boards. but i would look at #11 for Simons. Simons has shown he can shoot and score in the NBA, willing passer and looking around the league his contract isnt bad at all. yes, defense not great, but that can be improved on. his age aligns well with the core.

Could then trade back from #6 if were not sold on a player and pick up another couple of picks. Convince Utah for #9 and #16.

I would prefer to gamble on the cheap rookie contract than expensive extension for limited player. His defense wont get much better, he has awful size and strength for a point guard, and he is not a point guard. He would have to guard wings, good luck with that. Portland was 28 in defensive ranking. 28 !!!!!!! Even pre allstar they were 27. Simons destroyed their defense and on offense he is nothing special. We want to put the ball in Franz hands or Simons ? He is even not that good off sceens.

What's annoying is that Simons has the tools to be an above average defender, he just needs to be taught OR want to do it

considering Portland hasnt had a good defense for a long time, i would say it is more on scheme and coaching

[jonbob17]

I feel like we have to come out of this draft with a wing. Not sure there will be any ones with good outcomes at 11. Currently thinking . Previously was in favor of two of: cason, hendricks, gradey

This is where i am at now:
6. Hendricks
11. Lively

We can sign a shooter. Hendricks shoots well.

Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Harris or FA/Houstan
Franz/Hendricks
Paolo/JI/Bol
WCJ/Lively/MoVV

I try to picture what WCJ would look like on the Heat or the Celtics...I just can't see it. Lively is going to be a difference maker on the defensive side.

Hendricks add shooting and defense to the perimeter. We will need to upgrade PG through trade, FA, or development. It's just not available in this draft.

Hendricks and Lively should be very good NBA rotation players around the same time Paolo and Franz are starting to hit their upside.

Big UCF guy here. Hendricks is not a 3 and anyone will be very disappointed if they try and play him there. He is a 4 who will be able to play some small ball 5.

He's 6'8" 214. Can he defend SFs? Absolutely. If he can shoot and guard SFs, he can play SF.

A small ball 5? Jerace Walker gets called that. He' 6'7 250.

Hendricks is lighter than Aaron Gordon was at combine.
He may be more Jerami Grant, they were almost identical in size. Grant started off as a SF, but eventually moved to PF because he couldn't defend the position. But Grant was never a good defender.
I guess it just comes down to who can Hendricks defend? I buy Hendricks as switchable defender but he may end up being more of PF if he can't defend.

[basketballRob]

It looks like Keyonte may have dropped Miller as his agent. It says welcome to #teamwass on his IG.

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[jonbob17]

I feel like we have to come out of this draft with a wing. Not sure there will be any ones with good outcomes at 11. Currently thinking . Previously was in favor of two of: cason, hendricks, gradey

This is where i am at now:
6. Hendricks
11. Lively

We can sign a shooter. Hendricks shoots well.

Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Harris or FA/Houstan
Franz/Hendricks
Paolo/JI/Bol
WCJ/Lively/MoVV

I try to picture what WCJ would look like on the Heat or the Celtics...I just can't see it. Lively is going to be a difference maker on the defensive side.

Hendricks add shooting and defense to the perimeter. We will need to upgrade PG through trade, FA, or development. It's just not available in this draft.

Hendricks and Lively should be very good NBA rotation players around the same time Paolo and Franz are starting to hit their upside.

so we draft hendricks as our shooter and have him come off the bench? Wcj is better than him atm. Having hendricks off the bench doesnt solve our shooting woes, imo. Then we add Lively too?

Who are you going to draft that is a shooter and start? Hawkins? Gradey? Neither of those guys are beating Suggs for minutes by a coach trying to win basketball games. Personally I could care less who starts. If Hendricks gets 28 minutes a game and shoots 39% from 3 on 5 attempts a game...who cares if he's not a starter. That's 2 made threes a game.

What I do care about is who is going to guard Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown three years from now in the Eastern Conference Finals, and who is defending the rim.

[fendilim]

I feel like we have to come out of this draft with a wing. Not sure there will be any ones with good outcomes at 11. Currently thinking . Previously was in favor of two of: cason, hendricks, gradey

This is where i am at now:
6. Hendricks
11. Lively

We can sign a shooter. Hendricks shoots well.

Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Harris or FA/Houstan
Franz/Hendricks
Paolo/JI/Bol
WCJ/Lively/MoVV

I try to picture what WCJ would look like on the Heat or the Celtics...I just can't see it. Lively is going to be a difference maker on the defensive side.

Hendricks add shooting and defense to the perimeter. We will need to upgrade PG through trade, FA, or development. It's just not available in this draft.

Hendricks and Lively should be very good NBA rotation players around the same time Paolo and Franz are starting to hit their upside.

so we draft hendricks as our shooter and have him come off the bench? Wcj is better than him atm. Having hendricks off the bench doesnt solve our shooting woes, imo. Then we add Lively too?

Who are you going to draft that is a shooter and start? Hawkins? Gradey? Neither of those guys are beating Suggs for minutes by a coach trying to win basketball games. Personally I could care less who starts. If Hendricks gets 28 minutes a game and shoots 39% from 3 on 5 attempts a game...who cares if he's not a starter. That's 2 made threes a game.

What I do care about is who is going to guard Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown three years from now in the Eastern Conference Finals, and who is defending the rim.

Suggs can come off the bench or play the 1.

The fact that we have WCJ and we’re also doubling down with Lively, only begs to wonder where Hendricks minutes will come from. If Hendricks is to backup WCJ, then we just wasted the 11th pick (Lively, based on your preference) on a 3rd stringer.

I’m not sure in what world Hendricks is capable of playing the 3 in the NBA. His decision making and ball handling might suit him better at the 5 as well

[pepe1991]

Agreed.
He is

Bro i live in middle of f*** Europe so who knows more about Europien baketball? Somebody who heared about french league month ago or somebody who follows Euro basketball for 20 years? I assume you right?

Cedric made 14 000 posts and majority of them are "Ur wrung g' magic" . Guy has one of the worst +1 to post ratios on this forum because he can't elaborate nor articulate his own opinion to save his life.

If you have something to argue against me- argue with facts and arguments not with whatever you think you are doing ( tbh 99% of time you just spam youtube videos like nobody else can use youtube and write : "XY highlight video" )

You two are now head over heels about player you never seen single full basketball game in your lifes, because some twitter head told you he has " Jimmy Butler/ OG written all over him" and that he "outscored Wemby in one game" .

I can help you if you actually want to WATCH him play. in 4 days, you can catch stream on Spotklub ( Croatian/serbian tv channel, you know, place i'm from ) and they will have game 1 finals. Or i can provide stream of that game in inbox if you need.

You will be very shocked once you learn your favorite flavor of a month is 6'6 but apsolutley never puts ball on the floor nor tries to attack off dribble, yet those internet wannabe "scouts" are trying to sell you as "shooting guard" and than just smam you with percentages instad of volumen of his actual shots. Guy makes 0,5 threes a game as "shooter", in league where 3 point line stands at 20,5 feet. But who needs facts when guy on twitter wrote he is great? Who needs critical thinking? Who needs own head to make own opinons when twitter can provide one for you?

btw pss don't let Evan haters, hear you, but in league where Culibaliy averages 5 ppg, Evan averaged 14

Stop trolling, I live in France, you are clueless about French basketball or any basketball for that matter.
You just a hater.

For those speaking french, here is a nice video about people would followed Bilal since he is 15

Watch on YouTube

Ur wrong go Magic

[thelead]

It looks like Keyonte may have dropped Miller as his agent. It says welcome to #teamwass on his IG.

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Was Keyonte Miller’s highest profile draft prospect this year?

[AaronB]

I have 1 prediction about this draft:

As teams evaluate the new CBA and as the draft gets closer, the value of 6 and 11 will go through the roof.

Maybe not a tier 1 star (top 7-10 player in the NBA, although possible) but clearly a tier 2 player with other incentives.

[eyriq]

It looks like Keyonte may have dropped Miller as his agent. It says welcome to #teamwass on his IG.

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Ruh ROH. I wonder why... His stock in mock drafts was falling, that's a fact. I don't think he's been handling workouts very well.

[VFX]

I think people are forgetting the big takeaway from this draft and how it relates to the best outcome for Orlando.

These two selections absolutely need to be thought of as the best possible options to pair with Franz and Paolo.

The Magic have been in purgatory for so long with the draft that people are still viewing this point as inconsequential. It's not. Just look at the numbers from last season. The floor has to open up for Paolo.

They shouldn't be banking on the idea that they can forgo certain skill sets because they could possibly get lucky in free agency. I don't buy that with Orlando. The back court for this team is still up in the air.

They shouldnt be making selections this high in the lotto for depth purposes. This should be the last season Orlando is selecting higher than #14, which is fine because the next two drafts are very questionable talent-wise. They have to land these picks.

[eyriq]

I think people are forgetting the big takeaway from this draft and how it relates to the best outcome for Orlando.

These two selections absolutely need to be thought of as the best possible options to pair with Franz and Paolo.

The Magic have been in purgatory for so long with the draft that people are still viewing this point as inconsequential. It's not. Just look at the numbers from last season. The floor has to open up for Paolo.

They shouldn't be banking on the idea that they can forgo certain skill sets because they could possibly get lucky in free agency. I don't buy that with Orlando. The back court for this team is still up in the air.

They shouldnt be making selections this high in the lotto for depth purposes. This should be the last season Orlando is selecting higher than #14, which is fine because the next two drafts are very questionable talent-wise. They have to land these picks.

Facts.

[cedric76]

I would prefer to gamble on the cheap rookie contract than expensive extension for limited player. His defense wont get much better, he has awful size and strength for a point guard, and he is not a point guard. He would have to guard wings, good luck with that. Portland was 28 in defensive ranking. 28 !!!!!!! Even pre allstar they were 27. Simons destroyed their defense and on offense he is nothing special. We want to put the ball in Franz hands or Simons ? He is even not that good off sceens.

What's annoying is that Simons has the tools to be an above average defender, he just needs to be taught OR want to do it

6-2, slender frame, no awareness. Only fool would pay 25M for him, especially in the new CBA. I have high opinion about Weltman, he is no fool.

Long wingspan, athletic, just lack of will imo

[cedric76]

It looks like Keyonte may have dropped Miller as his agent. It says welcome to #teamwass on his IG.

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Ruh ROH. I wonder why... His stock in mock drafts was falling, that's a fact. I don't think he's been handling workouts very well.

Miller seems to be a non bs type of agent, 1st RJ, now George

[eyriq]

It looks like Keyonte may have dropped Miller as his agent. It says welcome to #teamwass on his IG.

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Ruh ROH. I wonder why... His stock in mock drafts was falling, that's a fact. I don't think he's been handling workouts very well.

Miller seems to be a non bs type of agent, 1st RJ, now George

What is the story with RJ?