Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[Andrew McCeltic]

Big questions with Portland: how much clout does Lillard have? How desperate are they? How much do they think Jaylen helps them?

3, Sharpe, Grant for Jaylen, and flip Brogdon for another scorer.

If Lillard has hearts in his eyes for Jaylen, you squeeze as much as you can. But there are other stars who could hit the market- Towns would be as impactful and Minnesota has more flexibility in what they can take back. Siakam and Beal would cost less.

[BK_2020]

Big questions with Portland: how much clout does Lillard have? How desperate are they? How much do they think Jaylen helps them?

3, Sharpe, Grant for Jaylen, and flip Brogdon for another scorer.

If Lillard has hearts in his eyes for Jaylen, you squeeze as much as you can. But there are other stars who could hit the market- Towns would be as impactful and Minnesota has more flexibility in what they can take back. Siakam and Beal would cost less.

I cannot imagine a scenario where a GM or Damian Lillard looks at

Dame, Simon, Jaylen Brown, Justice Winslow or something, Nurkic

and thinks they are finishing better than bottom 10.

[Larry_Russell]

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards wanting Jaylen Brown to be traded. I've always liked Jaylen. But I like him at 30m, NOT over 50m.
I'm really coming around to the idea of trading him for a good player PLUS a high draft pick.

There you go.

Welcome aboard.

Only problemI see is, if we received Grant back in a sign and trade I believe that Hardcaps us? Would make all future moves really tough to make.

I say just keep it simple

#3, #23 and Simons
for
Brownand Pritcahrd

We create a. 11.7 million TPE and have the #3 (scoot or Miller)
The options from there are MASSIVE
From trade out of the draft, to trading down to nab an asset... loads of flexibility. -

Personally I would still be shopping for bigmen help and a starting PF but you have Simons, Brogdon, Smart, #3, #23, #35 to get those. Right now there are a good few 3D power forwards out there poised to break out


Maybe Miller is there at #3 and the roster looks like this (Although I think both Scoot and miller are very NBA ready and will makean Immediate impact and will both reach higher levels of impact than Brown)

Simons/Brogdon/Davidson
Smart/White/Begarin
Tatum/Hauser
Miller/Gallo/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet


But on the #3
Scoot has incredible handles, elite athleticism and an elite nba ready body. his midrange is butter and elite at getting to the rim. These are skills that pair so damn well with Tatum its not even funny

Miller has greatsize 6'9, ball handling and shooting. (I think his ceiling is a Tatum/George type of player)

https://www.nba.com/blazers/news/scoot-henderson-makes-his-case-during-workout-in-portland

Watch on YouTube

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Simons breaking down defenses and being an elite shooter and can plamake
Miller being an elite shooter and plays great defense and can playmake
Tatum being a superstar....Thats a tremendous fit.

[Hal14]

They should be most concerned with playing fundamentally sound basketball, which they did not in this year's playoffs.

The Heat had a lot to do with making the Celtics look bad. A part of fundamentally sound basketball is usually deciding which players to try to take away the most and the Celtics successfully did that throughout most of the series including the Miami series but the players the Celtics thought wouldn't beat the Celtics did beat the Celtics.

I still agree with you to a significant extent but the ability to play fundamentally sound basketball is largely based upon talent and skill. Coaching can only do so much and even Spoelstra acknowledged that. Chances are it won't turn Jaylen Brown into Jimmy Butler and it won't turn back the clock on Al Horford's post-up game especially when he has to face a more athletic center like Bam.

Agreed. I think at the HS and college level, you can say with a higher degree of accuracy stuff like, "coach X, his teams are always very fundamentally sound". Like at the college level, you said that about Jay Wright's Villanova teams, you say it about Tony Bennett's Virginia teams, (depending on the season) you usually say it about Tom Izzo's Michigan St teams, etc.

I could name a few HS teams from back in the day when I was a HS sports reporter but ya'll probably wouldn't know what I'm talking about, lol.

But in the NBA - especially when you're talking about playoff teams who are generally older teams with mostly guys who are 26+ getting the rotation minutes, the fundamentals have already been drilled into them at that point.

[djFan71]

Late night whiskey trade of the d… night.

ATL: Brown, Cole Anthony for Dejounte, Kong, Jalen Johnson, 15, 2029 top 4 protected first
ORL: Murray for Anthony, Gary Harris, 6 and 11
BOS: Harris, Kong, Johnson, 6, 11, 15, 29 ATL first for Brown

No blue chips there, but a lot of value and flexibility. We make follow up trades with salary and some / all of those picks.

ATL gets Brown, assumes they can resign him
ORL gets a tall PG to pair with their young front court and Fultz and Suggs.

I had ORL taking Kong and sending us WCJ but changed it. I’m not sure they’d do that for Murray. Maybe. Not positive they’d do both 6 and 11, tbh.

Problem with this is that you're essentially guaranteeing that Tatum is going to ask out. The 2nd best player on the roster would then become Marcus Smart, who is a role player. Who takes the heat off Tatum when he's triple teamed? On the flip side you're hedging your bets that when Tatum leaves you have some young players that can pick up where Tatum and Brown left off. But if they don't then your number 1 option does become Marcus Smart. That would lead to some very lean years and then make that pick they traded to SAS have some kind of value.

I don't necessarily buy the JB gone Tatum out thing. It all depends on if it works and they win. I think Jaylen is more replaceable than others do. That team in my trade is light on scoring and a little heavy on depth for sure. But that's fixable.

[Larry_Russell]

I think Scoot is a point guard version of Zion.

[soxfan2003]

Their biggest advantage is just south beach.

No, their biggest advantage is their ability to build a team that plays the right way, not a random collection of stars. This was San Antonio's formula as well.

They got lucky Giannis and Tatum went down. We were winning if Tatum didn’t go down. But we stupidly did it to ourselves going down 3-0 with no room for error. And I said one sprained ankle we were done and that’s what happened. So I won’t dwell on that cause we deserved to lose that series out of stupidity. Miami is just not that good that they would of squandered at 3-0 lead if it wasn’t for Tatum’s injury. Yes they play the right way and are well coached. But no way in hell they are a championship team. They are just lucky as hell.

I have a tough time believing Tatum's injury cost the Celtics 20 points. Maybe the combination of all of the Celtics injuries that day and Williams sickness turned what would have been a 5-6 point loss into a blowout loss but that was sure looking like another L at home since Miami played really well and shot 50% from 3. And if we are going to use injuries as an excuse, Miami had Victor Oladipo and Tyler Hero not playing because of injury. And some of their guys actually playing were also hurt.

The Heat are a tough offense to stop if they are hitting the 3 ball and have a good enough defense against a team like Boston thanks the Bam, Butler and a punch of defenders who try their hardest even if they are not that talented.

That being said, I certainly picked Denver to beat them in the finals but I picked Boston over Miami in 7 before that series since I realized pundits were not giving Miami the credit they deserve.

[Curmudgeon]

If Tatum wants out you can get a really good player for him too. Depends on whether you are championship driven or just "in the mix" driven.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Big questions with Portland: how much clout does Lillard have? How desperate are they? How much do they think Jaylen helps them?

3, Sharpe, Grant for Jaylen, and flip Brogdon for another scorer.

If Lillard has hearts in his eyes for Jaylen, you squeeze as much as you can. But there are other stars who could hit the market- Towns would be as impactful and Minnesota has more flexibility in what they can take back. Siakam and Beal would cost less.

I cannot imagine a scenario where a GM or Damian Lillard looks at

Dame, Simon, Jaylen Brown, Justice Winslow or something, Nurkic

and thinks they are finishing better than bottom 10.

Stranger things have happened.. they tell themselves they’ll add a power forward with the MLE or trade Simons for someone else.. tell themselves Jaylen would be the best teammate Dame’s ever had.. tell themselves they’re just hoping 3 or Sharpe will reach Brown’s level, they can’t afford to wait, blah blah.

Nets thought Deron/Joe/Paul/KG/Lopez was a lock to win multiple championships..

[lon3lytoaster]

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards wanting Jaylen Brown to be traded. I've always liked Jaylen. But I like him at 30m, NOT over 50m.
I'm really coming around to the idea of trading him for a good player PLUS a high draft pick.

There you go.

Welcome aboard.

Only problemI see is, if we received Grant back in a sign and trade I believe that Hardcaps us? Would make all future moves really tough to make.

I say just keep it simple

#3, #23 and Simons
for
Brownand Pritcahrd

We create a. 11.7 million TPE and have the #3 (scoot or Miller)
The options from there are MASSIVE
From trade out of the draft, to trading down to nab an asset... loads of flexibility. -

Personally I would still be shopping for bigmen help and a starting PF but you have Simons, Brogdon, Smart, #3, #23, #35 to get those. Right now there are a good few 3D power forwards out there poised to break out


Maybe Miller is there at #3 and the roster looks like this (Although I think both Scoot and miller are very NBA ready and will makean Immediate impact and will both reach higher levels of impact than Brown)

Simons/Brogdon/Davidson
Smart/White/Begarin
Tatum/Hauser
Miller/Gallo/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet


But on the #3
Scoot has incredible handles, elite athleticism and an elite nba ready body. his midrange is butter and elite at getting to the rim. These are skills that pair so damn well with Tatum its not even funny

Miller has greatsize 6'9, ball handling and shooting. (I think his ceiling is a Tatum/George type of player)

https://www.nba.com/blazers/news/scoot-henderson-makes-his-case-during-workout-in-portland

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=PortlandTrailBlazers

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=ChazNBA

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=HoopsSouthbound

Simons breaking down defenses and being an elite shooter and can plamake
Miller being an elite shooter and plays great defense and can playmake
Tatum being a superstar....Thats a tremendous fit.

I would lose my mind for Scoot. He’s a monster. I don’t know as much about Miller other than the negative stuff but trading Jaylen (and Pritchard) for Simons and #3 is the best case scenario by a wide margin and I would in a heart beat.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to see Scoot come in and put up 15-20 PPG. With him and Simons I think we’re in decent shape with a 1/2/3 scoring load including Tatum. We’d have a no drama, clear cut #1 at the very least.

I can’t help but remember how many off ball looks, and very good looks at 3 Tatum got with Kemba and Kyrie. Obviously different priorities in the offense at that time but damn it would be nice to have someone who can just relentlessly attack.

[Hal14]

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards wanting Jaylen Brown to be traded. I've always liked Jaylen. But I like him at 30m, NOT over 50m.
I'm really coming around to the idea of trading him for a good player PLUS a high draft pick.

There you go.

Welcome aboard.

Only problemI see is, if we received Grant back in a sign and trade I believe that Hardcaps us? Would make all future moves really tough to make.

I say just keep it simple

#3, #23 and Simons
for
Brownand Pritcahrd

We create a. 11.7 million TPE and have the #3 (scoot or Miller)
The options from there are MASSIVE
From trade out of the draft, to trading down to nab an asset... loads of flexibility. -

Personally I would still be shopping for bigmen help and a starting PF but you have Simons, Brogdon, Smart, #3, #23, #35 to get those. Right now there are a good few 3D power forwards out there poised to break out


Maybe Miller is there at #3 and the roster looks like this (Although I think both Scoot and miller are very NBA ready and will makean Immediate impact and will both reach higher levels of impact than Brown)

Simons/Brogdon/Davidson
Smart/White/Begarin
Tatum/Hauser
Miller/Gallo/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet


But on the #3
Scoot has incredible handles, elite athleticism and an elite nba ready body. his midrange is butter and elite at getting to the rim. These are skills that pair so damn well with Tatum its not even funny

Miller has greatsize 6'9, ball handling and shooting. (I think his ceiling is a Tatum/George type of player)

https://www.nba.com/blazers/news/scoot-henderson-makes-his-case-during-workout-in-portland

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=PortlandTrailBlazers

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=ChazNBA

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=HoopsSouthbound

Simons breaking down defenses and being an elite shooter and can plamake
Miller being an elite shooter and plays great defense and can playmake
Tatum being a superstar....Thats a tremendous fit.

It's fun to think about and debate if you would do it or not.

But I just don't see Brad trading JB for a draft pick.

I doubt he trades JB and if he does, it's for a a proven veteran star player.

Hell, he wouldn't even trade JB for Harden, Kawhi, Simmons, AD or KD.

Look at the trades Brad has made. The guys he's acquired via trade, age in parenthesis:

J-Rich (27)
Horford (35)
White (27)
Brogdon (28)
Muscala (31)

Being realistic (and going off reports that have been published recently), he's only getting traded if he asks out.

And he's not gonna ask out, since he wants the supermax - he'll make WAY more $ that way. And if he signs the supermax, he can't be traded for 1 year.

Plus, as it's already been discussed on here (and in different articles), we'd get more value back in return for JB next summer (on a long term deal) than we would this summer (with just 1 year left on his deal).

[BK_2020]

Big questions with Portland: how much clout does Lillard have? How desperate are they? How much do they think Jaylen helps them?

3, Sharpe, Grant for Jaylen, and flip Brogdon for another scorer.

If Lillard has hearts in his eyes for Jaylen, you squeeze as much as you can. But there are other stars who could hit the market- Towns would be as impactful and Minnesota has more flexibility in what they can take back. Siakam and Beal would cost less.

I cannot imagine a scenario where a GM or Damian Lillard looks at

Dame, Simon, Jaylen Brown, Justice Winslow or something, Nurkic

and thinks they are finishing better than bottom 10.

Stranger things have happened.. they tell themselves they’ll add a power forward with the MLE or trade Simons for someone else.. tell themselves Jaylen would be the best teammate Dame’s ever had.. tell themselves they’re just hoping 3 or Sharpe will reach Brown’s level, they can’t afford to wait, blah blah.

Nets thought Deron/Joe/Paul/KG/Lopez was a lock to win multiple championships..

The Nets thought they were trading a couple of FRPs in the 20s and swaps that would never materialize, though. I don't think anyone could've foreseen their immediate and complete demise.

[djFan71]

For me, order of preference is:

1) POR trade that brings back Dame. JB+ probably to a 3rd team. Print championship if we stay healthy.
2) POR trade that brings back #3, Simons, etc.

I just waffle on how plausible 1 or 2 is. There's a pretty slim chance JB resigns - to the point of almost zero. So, POR is definitely desperate, but are they that desperate enough for #2? If Scoot slips to #3, I could see a glimmer of possibility for #1. But I still think they lean to keeping Dame.

3) Other JB trade - HOU or ATL based.

We covered the heck out of 1-3a (HOU) so I moved on to 3b. Not my first choice, but definitely workable.

[Larry_Russell]

Spoiler:

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards wanting Jaylen Brown to be traded. I've always liked Jaylen. But I like him at 30m, NOT over 50m.
I'm really coming around to the idea of trading him for a good player PLUS a high draft pick.

There you go.

Welcome aboard.

Only problemI see is, if we received Grant back in a sign and trade I believe that Hardcaps us? Would make all future moves really tough to make.

I say just keep it simple

#3, #23 and Simons
for
Brownand Pritcahrd

We create a. 11.7 million TPE and have the #3 (scoot or Miller)
The options from there are MASSIVE
From trade out of the draft, to trading down to nab an asset... loads of flexibility. -

Personally I would still be shopping for bigmen help and a starting PF but you have Simons, Brogdon, Smart, #3, #23, #35 to get those. Right now there are a good few 3D power forwards out there poised to break out


Maybe Miller is there at #3 and the roster looks like this (Although I think both Scoot and miller are very NBA ready and will makean Immediate impact and will both reach higher levels of impact than Brown)

Simons/Brogdon/Davidson
Smart/White/Begarin
Tatum/Hauser
Miller/Gallo/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet


But on the #3
Scoot has incredible handles, elite athleticism and an elite nba ready body. his midrange is butter and elite at getting to the rim. These are skills that pair so damn well with Tatum its not even funny

Miller has greatsize 6'9, ball handling and shooting. (I think his ceiling is a Tatum/George type of player)

https://www.nba.com/blazers/news/scoot-henderson-makes-his-case-during-workout-in-portland

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=PortlandTrailBlazers

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=ChazNBA

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=HoopsSouthbound

Simons breaking down defenses and being an elite shooter and can plamake
Miller being an elite shooter and plays great defense and can playmake
Tatum being a superstar....Thats a tremendous fit.

I would lose my mind for Scoot. He’s a monster. I don’t know as much about Miller other than the negative stuff but trading Jaylen (and Pritchard) for Simons and #3 is the best case scenario by a wide margin and I would in a heart beat.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to see Scoot come in and put up 15-20 PPG. With him and Simons I think we’re in decent shape with a 1/2/3 scoring load including Tatum. We’d have a no drama, clear cut #1 at the very least.

I can’t help but remember how many off ball looks, and very good looks at 3 Tatum got with Kemba and Kyrie. Obviously different priorities in the offense at that time but damn it would be nice to have someone who can just relentlessly attack.

Even if you flipped Simons for a bigman...Its even MORE win.

Scoot/Brogdon
White/Smart
Tatum
Traded for player from Simons
Timelord/Horford

That team has all the skills you need.

[djFan71]

Way smaller trade. Works for the run it back scenario, or in the scorched earth one.

BOS: SloMo for Pritchard, Muscala, 35
LAC: Pritchard, Muscala for Batum, 30
MIN: Batum, 30, 35 for SloMo

MIN gets a fellow French teammate to fill roughly the same role as the dude that got Gobert to punch him.
LAC gets a PG and shooting big
BOS gets the key to all of our problems

You can include Champagnie to balance the salary for BOS or fold into larger trade. Don't want to trigger the 110% cap rule.

[Riverwalk2021]

JB/Brogdon/PP for DJ/Hunter/Okongwu/Bogdonovic. JB will re-sign with Hotlanta.

DJ/Smart
White/Bogdonovic
Tatum/Hauser
Hunter/Okongwu
RW3/Horford

[djFan71]

Fire up your Dame trades, folks:

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[Celts17Pride]

This thread is equivalent to watching a hamster spinning on a wheel. We don't even know that the Celtics will be offering Jaylen Brown the super max.

My personally opinion is the Celtics offer Jaylen Brown the max contract (still a lot more than what other teams can offer) and he resigns with the Celtics.

It's funny to me all these bold statements from posters when nobody knows anything.

[djFan71]

This thread is equivalent to watching a hamster spinning on a wheel. We don't even know that the Celtics will be offering Jaylen Brown the super max.

My personally opinion is the Celtics offer Jaylen Brown the max contract (still a lot more than what other teams can offer) and he resigns with the Celtics.

It's funny to me all these bold statements from posters when nobody knows anything.

Since you're just sitting there watching, can you bring that water nipple a little closer? I'm getting thirsty.

[Captain_Caveman]

Jaylen not resigning in Portland.