2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[drsd]

Goodbye Scrubb! Looking for a big man for that two-way slot?

We get 15 roster spots and 2 two-way players.

Markelle
Suggs
Cole
Harris
Franz
Paolo
Chuma
Bol
Moritz
Wendell
Goga
Houstan
Keyon
Admiral
11
6
36
Free Agent

Am I missing someone?


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MCW and Isaac

Under the new CBA teams will receive a third two-way contract roster spot.

Also: M-Wagner is an unrestricted free agent and and Carter-Williams is probable to not have his team option picked up. Finally, the contract of G-Harris needs to be decided on this month, on June 30.Same with Bitadze and Bol. i.e. 8 days after the draft. That means a team wanting to cut payroll presumably could trade for G-Harris and then not renew his contract.

As of today, I see the Magic roster as:
Fultz/Anthony
Suggs/Houstan
F-Wagner/Okeke
Banchero/Isaac/Bol
Carter/Bitadze

K-Harris and Schofield seem reasonable as two way. And add the SRP. So after the two FRPs are added to the above, there are two roster slots. One is probable for M-Wagner. And the 15th doesn't "need" to be filled, but gosh will Orlando profit from a vet-SG if no trades are made.

[jonbob17]

Athletic had an article : NBA teams best positioned to trade for a star..
https://theathletic.com/4579383/2023/06/06/nba-offseason-trades-draft-2023/

Spoiler alert: Orlando was second behind OKC.

Katz: I considered the New Orleans Pelicans as they could potentially build a package around an established stud in Brandon Ingram. But I went with Orlando. The Magic can make a monster offer, even without including Banchero or Franz Wagner, who could end up as the best player from their respective draft classes. Many of the other hypothetical trade packages in this draft are contingent on picks so far out that analytics models will predict them to fall in the middle of the first round. The Magic can offer good ones right now: Nos. 6 and 11 in the June 22 draft and also can deal up to five more first-rounders, including four unprotected. No player would cost so much. And that’s before even getting to Wagner. If the Thunder weren’t such hoarders, Orlando’s package would be impossible to beat.

[zaymon]

Athletic had an article : NBA teams best positioned to trade for a star..
https://theathletic.com/4579383/2023/06/06/nba-offseason-trades-draft-2023/

Spoiler alert: Orlando was second behind OKC.

Katz: I considered the New Orleans Pelicans as they could potentially build a package around an established stud in Brandon Ingram. But I went with Orlando. The Magic can make a monster offer, even without including Banchero or Franz Wagner, who could end up as the best player from their respective draft classes. Many of the other hypothetical trade packages in this draft are contingent on picks so far out that analytics models will predict them to fall in the middle of the first round. The Magic can offer good ones right now: Nos. 6 and 11 in the June 22 draft and also can deal up to five more first-rounders, including four unprotected. No player would cost so much. And that’s before even getting to Wagner. If the Thunder weren’t such hoarders, Orlando’s package would be impossible to beat.

And people laughed 1-2 years ago when i wrote we will be positioned to trade for a star. We have much better core then i imaginet tough.

[Bensational]

I feel like Toronto is poised to blow things up on draft night. They've already had a glimpse of the ceiling of that team, Fred is a likely FA this offseason, Siakam next offseason, they just fired Nurse. I think they keep Barnes and everything else is up for grabs.

TOR: Siakam + #13
CHA: #2 + #27 + Hayward

TOR: Siakam + OG + #13
POR: #3 + #23 + Simons + Nurkic (sent to 3rd team)

TOR: Siakam + OG
HOU: #4 + #20 + Eason + KPJ + 25 BKN FRP

Toronto could load up on picks if they wanted to and turbo boost a rebuild. WeHam might even entertain 6 + 11 for OG.

[Petre1978]

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[jezzerinho]

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2 of my least favourite options... banking on the fact the Magic leak nothing to be able to disregard this as smoke.

[drsd]

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Bringing in Grant Williams could mean to the end of the Okeke era.

Let's say the Magic sign these two, release G-Harris and Okeke (or trade them for SRPs), and resign M-Wagner, the Magic is:


Fultz/Anthony
Trent/Suggs/Houstan
F-Wagner/Bol
Banchero/Williams/Isaac
Carter/Bitadze/M-Wagner

Add the two FRPs, and the off-season is complete.

Then it's all Hive-Fives and Well done for and by WeHamm.



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[drsd]

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AN interesting editorial on this.

Heavy.com link

[tiderulz]

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Bringing in Grant Williams could mean to the end of the Okeke era.

Let's say the Magic sign these two, release G-Harris and Okeke (or trade them for SRPs), and resign M-Wagner, the Magic is:


Fultz/Anthony
Trent/Suggs/Houstan
F-Wagner/Bol
Banchero/Williams/Isaac
Carter/Bitadze/M-Wagner

Add the two FRPs, and the off-season is complete.

Then it's all Hive-Fives and Well done for and by WeHamm.



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the high gives after pick 11 and then they go to bed

[tiderulz]

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AN interesting editorial on this.

Heavy.com link

interesting that they called GJT a "2-way guard". that is not how i would describe him

[eyriq]

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Bringing in Grant Williams could mean to the end of the Okeke era.

Let's say the Magic sign these two, release G-Harris and Okeke (or trade them for SRPs), and resign M-Wagner, the Magic is:


Fultz/Anthony
Trent/Suggs/Houstan
F-Wagner/Bol
Banchero/Williams/Isaac
Carter/Bitadze/M-Wagner

Add the two FRPs, and the off-season is complete.

Then it's all Hive-Fives and Well done for and by WeHamm.



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It would be an interesting free agency. In a world where Williams and GTJ happen, something interesting goes down on draft night I think.

GTJ gets the starting SG role, and Grant gets the combo forward role.

Internal contenders for the SG role are Suggs and Harris
Internal contenders for combo forward role are Isaac, Bol, and Okeke

So these five players all don't get the job.

Suggs is also in contention for the swing-man and combo guard roles. Okeke is another viable name for the swing-man role.

I think in a world where we sign GTJ and Williams in free agency we make a consolidation trade during the draft. Otherwise we just don't have room for GTJ and Williams, right?

Edit: after thinking about it, I think us being active in free agency is a very low probability event, even with a draft day trade.

[JoshuaPotter]

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Bringing in Grant Williams could mean to the end of the Okeke era.

Let's say the Magic sign these two, release G-Harris and Okeke (or trade them for SRPs), and resign M-Wagner, the Magic is:


Fultz/Anthony
Trent/Suggs/Houstan
F-Wagner/Bol
Banchero/Williams/Isaac
Carter/Bitadze/M-Wagner

Add the two FRPs, and the off-season is complete.

Then it's all Hive-Fives and Well done for and by WeHamm.



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It would be an interesting free agency. In a world where Williams and GTJ happen, something interesting goes down on draft night I think.

GTJ gets the starting SG role, and Grant gets the combo forward role.

Internal contenders for the SG role are Suggs and Harris
Internal contenders for combo forward role are Isaac, Bol, and Okeke

So these five players all don't get the job.

Suggs is also in contention for the swing-man and combo guard roles. Okeke is another viable name for the swing-man role.

I think in a world where we sign GTJ and Williams in free agency we make a consolidation trade during the draft. Otherwise we just don't have room for GTJ and Williams, right?

Edit: after thinking about it, I think us being active in free agency is a very low probability event, even with a draft day trade.

Indeed, this is Orlando Magic. Where signing FVV, drafting Mr Dick, and the REAL Lively at 11 @tiderulz puts us easily into playoff contention into this year and as Paolo + Franz go so does our deep playoffs runs go.

Paolo
Franz
WCJ / Lively
Dick or Suggs
FVV + cole

How with the right veterans F's off the bench how this isn't a playoff team for the next 2-5 years I have no clue. Maybe Isaac is that backup forward, I kinda have moved on from him. Either way, there is our "playoff 8 man roster"

Now we know there is no chance this will happen.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

I'm growing on the idea of trading for Cade. I wonder if some package of Fultz and picks could get it done?

His value is somewhat low, whereas Fultz might be as high as he has been in several years.

[89Magicfan]

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Meh

[MasterGMer]

NBA is a star oriented league. The whole point of rebuilding is to get an All Star or Super Star and that is just how the system works.

Thunders tanked to get KD, James Harden and Russell Westbrook. But they could not afford all three so the Big 3 era broke up.

The team building philosophy and rebuilding depends on the possibility of getting a super star. You need Super Stars to avoid mediocrity and win a Championship and that is just how.

This game is shaped up beautifully and it is all systematic because it is a game after all, a perfect GAME

We need a star. I'd give up 4 FRPs to get that star whether it is Giannis or not.

Milwaukee is the team to watch this offseason. They could easily turn on the rebuilding button, since Lopez and Middleton are rumored to test Free Agency and possibly leaving the team. Is Giannis fed up? If they lose Middleton and Lopez, there is 0% they'd advance to the Finals. Also they have a rookie HC. Is that a sign of rebuild?

If we can make a huge offer without Franz or Wagner, heck yeah, let's do it! Carry the hell on!

[Skybox]

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AN interesting editorial on this.

Heavy.com link

2 solid players that would cost at least $35m to get both. BOS will match a fair to good offer. We'd be instantly better, but how much?

I really like GTJ, but I just don't know if it's not an instant regret $18-22m or even more. Williams will HAVE to be an overpay, despite the Butler BS (at least he fought), he's an integral part of their machine. I remember him banging with Giannis last year and hanging in admirably. Like a Dillon Brooks with a 3pt shot and some sense.

If Amen fell to us at 6 (or we traded up for him or Scoot)(or Cason Wallace looked like a true starter) and we let Fultz run out the season/fight off the rookie. Add another solid, if unspectacular piece at 11 (we could really use rim protection, but i like Hawkins there or JHS). I'm not really high on Amen (mostly, I just don't know), but if he's basically a Super-Fultz with higher upside and court vision, I'd give it a try.

[Skybox]

Main thing to absolutely 100% rock-solid remember is...

NO (true) rumors come from our FO...so, it's all speculation regurgitated as "I heard". They don't talk.

[VFX]

Not sure about Trent or Williams. I guess it depends on how the draft shakes out.

[jezzerinho]

Not sure about Trent or Williams. I guess it depends on how the draft shakes out.

If the article is the source, this is all coming from an EC exec who is speculating.

[drsd]

I'm growing on the idea of trading for Cade. I wonder if some package of Fultz and picks could get it done?

His value is somewhat low, whereas Fultz might be as high as he has been in several years.

Cunningham?

If he could be had for Fultz, Suggs, and 4 FRPs, then the Magic fleeced the Pistons. Any trade conversation for Cunningham starts with F-Wagner. So: this is a non-starter.