Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[ddb]

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I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.

what is miami giving?

Hero and Lowry?

Yep. It would be Herro, Lowry (expiring), Jovic, #18, 2027 1st, and 2029 1st. They could add in a pick swap as well. It's not a good trade for Portland unless they are willing to play the long, long game. Those 27 and 29 picks could be great, but who the hell knows. You're making a deal for what's likely to be an entirely different regime in Portland.

Doubtful a deal gets done between the two parties. Not good dance partners unless Miami can acquire the assets Portland wants. I can tell you with certainty that Herro's value around the league is not what it was 2 years ago, or even last year. Real concerns about his defense....

[Celts17Pride]

if the Cs tell JB that giving him the supermax is just too much and the Cs can't afford it.

then JB tells the Celtics he will enter free agency in 2024/2025 and pick his own team.

I'm on the side of giving JB the supermax.

But I don't know if the owners of the Celtics are really serious about having 2 supermax players on the roster.

600m for 2 players is just too much money to be spent on 2 players.

The safe play is to give JB the supermax and have the option of trading him after 1 season.

I'm on the side of giving JB the normal max deal but I don't think that is possible.

[ddb]

I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.

what is miami giving?

Hero and Lowry?

Lowry, Martin, Herro and a ton of draft picks to go with Sharpe, Simons, #3. Decent start to a rebuild.

Lowry they'd probably let go. Martin had a good series, but don't be fooled. Herro is overrated. They are limited on trading picks. Can only send 23,27,29. They have a pick in the middle there that's already a part of a swap or something along those lines which eliminates the pick before and after because of the trading picks in consecutive years rule.

[Fierce1]

then JB tells the Celtics he will enter free agency in 2024/2025 and pick his own team.

I'm on the side of giving JB the supermax.

But I don't know if the owners of the Celtics are really serious about having 2 supermax players on the roster.

600m for 2 players is just too much money to be spent on 2 players.

The safe play is to give JB the supermax and have the option of trading him after 1 season.

I'm on the side of giving JB the normal max deal but I don't think that is possible.

No way JB agrees to a normal max deal.

JB has all the leverage right now.

He's going to force the Cs to give him the supermax.

[Cricket23]

Golden State gets Malcolm Brogdon and Gary Harris

Orlando gets Jordan Poole

Boston gets Kuminga

Orl gets Poole for essentially nothing.

GS gets rid of a lot of future money and improves in the short term.

Boston can re-sign Grant, easily avoid the tax this year, and they get a prospect at a position of need.

[Larry_Russell]

I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.

what is miami giving?

Hero and Lowry?

Yep. It would be Herro, Lowry (expiring), Jovic, #18, 2027 1st, and 2029 1st. They could add in a pick swap as well. It's not a good trade for Portland unless they are willing to play the long, long game. Those 27 and 29 picks could be great, but who the hell knows. You're making a deal for what's likely to be an entirely different regime in Portland.

Doubtful a deal gets done between the two parties. Not good dance partners unless Miami can acquire the assets Portland wants. I can tell you with certainty that Herro's value around the league is not what it was 2 years ago, or even last year. Real concerns about his defense....

Thats a real poopoo platter and easily beatable by, mot likely, every other team on Dames list if he asks out.

[djFan71]

Golden State gets Malcolm Brogdon and Gary Harris

Orlando gets Jordan Poole

Boston gets Kuminga

Orl gets Poole for essentially nothing.

GS gets rid of a lot of future money and improves in the short term.

Boston can re-sign Grant, easily avoid the tax this year, and they get a prospect at a position of need.

Nice outside the box idea. I think we might have to take Harris in this situation though, or GSW needs to send something else out. They'd be adding salary in this. But, I'd still do it and take Harris. He's expiring anyways.

Not sure GSW really needs/wants Brogdon tho. Maybe add LAC as a 4th teams send pieces from them to GSW.

[Larry_Russell]

I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.

what is miami giving?

Hero and Lowry?

Lowry, Martin, Herro and a ton of draft picks to go with Sharpe, Simons, #3. Decent start to a rebuild.

well

Sharpe, Simons and #3 is a great start to a rebuild.

Lowry is garbage
Martin is a scrub who had a hot series
Herro is GROSSLY overrated and far too arrogant to fit on a young team. He is a specialist at best.

That Miami package hinders their rebuild

[Hal14]

I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.

I don't see it unless they're giving up Bam.. What is Miami's offer - Herro, Martin, picks? Why Portland would entertain that?

Portland will send Lillard where he wants to go for being so loyal to the organization. Just watch.

Demanding a trade is not being loyal.

KD said he wanted to go to the suns. The Nets got Bridges, Crowder, Cam Johnson and picks. They also gave up warren, which basically cancels out Crowder so they basically got bridges, Cam Johnson and picks.

Now, KD is better than Lillard. But Lillard is also 2 years younger than KD. And Lillard has missed less games to injury and had less surgeries over the past few years than KD.

So I think the minimum reasonable offer for Lillard has to be at least something equivalent to bridges/cam johnson/picks.

Herro/Martin/Lowry/picks is a much weaker offer. Lowry at this point in his career (and with how overpriced his contract is) is negative value. You'd have to add assets in to get another team to take him in a trade. Bridges is much better than Herro and Johnson is much better than Martin. Martin has never averaged double figure scoring in his career. Johnson has averaged 15 and 16 PPG last 2 years. Herro's value is taking a dip when we see how good Miami is playing this postseason without him, while Bridges emerged this season as a borderline all-star.

Portland would be the laughingstock of the league if they trade Dame and that's all they get in return. Especially since any picks they get from Miami would be late 1st round picks, since Miami would be set up as a powerhouse team for the next few years with dame/butler/bam.

[Cricket23]

Golden State gets Malcolm Brogdon and Gary Harris

Orlando gets Jordan Poole

Boston gets Kuminga

Orl gets Poole for essentially nothing.

GS gets rid of a lot of future money and improves in the short term.

Boston can re-sign Grant, easily avoid the tax this year, and they get a prospect at a position of need.

Nice outside the box idea. I think we might have to take Harris in this situation though, or GSW needs to send something else out. They'd be adding salary in this. But, I'd still do it and take Harris. He's expiring anyways.

Not sure GSW really needs/wants Brogdon tho. Maybe add LAC as a 4th teams send pieces from them to GSW.

I see the main motivation for GS as dumping Poole whose contract will destroy them with the new CBA. They'd be adding about 2 mil next year, the year after that dropping about 10 mil, and then dropping over 30 mil each of the following 2 years.

[ddb]

Golden State gets Malcolm Brogdon and Gary Harris

Orlando gets Jordan Poole

Boston gets Kuminga

Orl gets Poole for essentially nothing.

GS gets rid of a lot of future money and improves in the short term.

Boston can re-sign Grant, easily avoid the tax this year, and they get a prospect at a position of need.

I don't hate it.

[djFan71]

Golden State gets Malcolm Brogdon and Gary Harris

Orlando gets Jordan Poole

Boston gets Kuminga

Orl gets Poole for essentially nothing.

GS gets rid of a lot of future money and improves in the short term.

Boston can re-sign Grant, easily avoid the tax this year, and they get a prospect at a position of need.

Nice outside the box idea. I think we might have to take Harris in this situation though, or GSW needs to send something else out. They'd be adding salary in this. But, I'd still do it and take Harris. He's expiring anyways.

Not sure GSW really needs/wants Brogdon tho. Maybe add LAC as a 4th teams send pieces from them to GSW.

I see the main motivation for GS as dumping Poole whose contract will destroy them with the new CBA. They'd be adding about 2 mil next year, the year after that dropping about 10 mil, and then dropping over 30 mil each of the following 2 years.

Yeah, definitely. I'm with you on that. I just see LAC as a team that could really use Brogdon, so they could make it a little nicer for GSW. Tho, maybe I'm undervaluing the fit with Brogdon in GS. If they lose Poole they could use some bench scoring, and he obviously shoots 3s well.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Why's Golden State giving up Kuminga?

If Brooklyn wants Lillard, they'd be the team.

[ddb]

Alright. Here's a 3-teamer that makes sense for all parties involved.

Boston In: Dame
Boston Out: Brown, Pritchard, Gallo

Houston In: Brown, Gallo
Houston Out: Porter Jr, Green, #4

Portland In: KPJ, Green, Pritchard, #4
Portland Out: Dame

That's how a deal gets done. Boston avoids giving a redundant player for them a supermax. It has reached a point where Brad's hands are tied and he needs to make a difficult decision. Bringing Dame in makes you instant title favorites for the next 2-3 years. Keeps Tatum happy. Allows you to then look at flipping Brogdon elsewhere for a wing like DFS. Resign Grant.

Houston is rumored to want to win right away with Ime. They could have Harden/Brown/Draymond Green/Jabari Smith, etc and a real shot at shooting up the Western Conference standings next season.

Great deal for Portland. They officially enter rebuilding mode. They have Sharpe, Green, KPJ, Pritchard, Little, #3 AND #4. S&T JGrant somewhere for more young talent. Hell of a deal for Portland.

[ddb]

Why's Golden State giving up Kuminga?

If Brooklyn wants Lillard, they'd be the team.

Why is BK the team? Can I ask you a question? What is the difference between Dame playing for the Blazers or Dame playing for the Nets? What do the Nets have to offer besides picks? If you're Portland you want Bridges back. BK won't deal him, right? So who is in the deal? And even if you get a deal done. What are Dame/Bridges gonna do against the likes of Boston and Milwaukee and Miami?

[rd26]

These are just my arbitrary numbers, but the guys I think warrant a supermax are normally either top 10, or very likely to grow into top 10 players. For a regular 30 % max, that number is around top 30, or all star caliber player. JB falls in between by most accounts.

I think what likely happens is JB gets his supermax, but with 2-3% tied to unlikely incentives. Top 5 mvp, banner, all defensive 1st team, etc.

That will put him at 32-33% guaranteed which is fair value imo.

Even with Brown and Tatum on supermax deals, its roughly 18 mil combined above a 30% max. We will have to give up a luxury like Brogdon at 22 mil and replace him with a guy like Pritchard at 4 mil, but the math still works.

JB alone basically means giving up a guy like Gallo, Theis or TT.

[Cricket23]

Why's Golden State giving up Kuminga?

I view Poole as a huge negative plus they're picking up 2 players that can help them.

[Hal14]

Alright. Here's a 3-teamer that makes sense for all parties involved.

Boston In: Dame
Boston Out: Brown, Pritchard, Gallo

Houston In: Brown, Gallo
Houston Out: Porter Jr, Green, #4

Portland In: KPJ, Green, Pritchard, #4
Portland Out: Dame

That's how a deal gets done. Boston avoids giving a redundant player for them a supermax. It has reached a point where Brad's hands are tied and he needs to make a difficult decision. Bringing Dame in makes you instant title favorites for the next 2-3 years. Keeps Tatum happy. Allows you to then look at flipping Brogdon elsewhere for a wing like DFS. Resign Grant.

Houston is rumored to want to win right away with Ime. They could have Harden/Brown/Draymond Green/Jabari Smith, etc and a real shot at shooting up the Western Conference standings next season.

Great deal for Portland. They officially enter rebuilding mode. They have Sharpe, Green, KPJ, Pritchard, Little, #3 AND #4. S&T JGrant somewhere for more young talent. Hell of a deal for Portland.

Why would JB extend with Houston? Rumor has it, he hates Ime after Ime was the one pushing to get him traded for KD.

Also, harden and draymond are theoretical. They're not rockets right now. Right now, the rockets are a team that's been at the bottom of the league for 3 years in a row.

Lastly, I don't see why Houston would do that. I can see them maybe trading Green OR the 4th pick for JB, but definitely not both.

[Triple7]

I have no clue what Atlanta is doing but I like a deal centered around Brogdon plus for John Collins. Celtics have to do something in the front court and Collins would provide much needed depth with Horford, R Williams, Collins and Gallo or G Williams.

This opens up even more minutes for Derrick White which in my opinion has to happen. Gives an opportunity for Pritchard or Davison also for a backup spot.

They already have dejounte and trae as starting backcourt, Collins is a starter. I doubt he’d want to go here and not start. If they get brog, he will be a bench player as well. I don’t think that will be enough. Hunter and okongwu can be really good.

[fallguy]

Alright. Here's a 3-teamer that makes sense for all parties involved.

Boston In: Dame
Boston Out: Brown, Pritchard, Gallo

Houston In: Brown, Gallo
Houston Out: Porter Jr, Green, #4

Portland In: KPJ, Green, Pritchard, #4
Portland Out: Dame

That's how a deal gets done. Boston avoids giving a redundant player for them a supermax. It has reached a point where Brad's hands are tied and he needs to make a difficult decision. Bringing Dame in makes you instant title favorites for the next 2-3 years. Keeps Tatum happy. Allows you to then look at flipping Brogdon elsewhere for a wing like DFS. Resign Grant.

Houston is rumored to want to win right away with Ime. They could have Harden/Brown/Draymond Green/Jabari Smith, etc and a real shot at shooting up the Western Conference standings next season.

Great deal for Portland. They officially enter rebuilding mode. They have Sharpe, Green, KPJ, Pritchard, Little, #3 AND #4. S&T JGrant somewhere for more young talent. Hell of a deal for Portland.

Why would JB extend with Houston? Rumor has it, he hates Ime after Ime was the one pushing to get him traded for KD.

Also, harden and draymond are theoretical. They're not rockets right now. Right now, the rockets are a team that's been at the bottom of the league for 3 years in a row.

Lastly, I don't see why Houston would do that. I can see them maybe trading Green OR the 4th pick for JB, but definitely not both.

Where did you get the idea Jaylen hates Ime?