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Re: Official 2023 Wizards OFFSEASON Thread 

Post#481 » by 80sballboy » Wed Jun 7, 2023 4:26 pm

So Winger basically said it's over. It's rebuild time.
“I don't think we're going to be an overnight title contender; that I'm pretty confident about. And so, if they [Beal, Kuzma, Porzingis] would rather pursue immediate winning, then they probably do have to pursue that somewhere else. But I think that there's very open dialogue, a very open invitation to talk about the future of the team – the near-term future and the long-term future – and see where goals align and see where they don't align.”

It is an eye-opening message from Michael Winger, one that might persuade the three biggest players on the Wizards to find a new team. Bradley Beal has been there the longest and has not had much success in the postseason, so he especially might feel it is time to move on. For Kyle Kuzma and Kristaps Porzingis, both might be willing to stay for the right amount of money, but both are certainly eager to win as well.

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Post#482 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 4:34 pm

Another interesting quote from the article:

“The raw, unfiltered truth is, I haven’t yet crafted the immediate vision for the franchise,” Winger said. “There are a lot of talented and high-character players on the team. I want to get to know them a little bit. The construct of a team isn’t just a matter of what is demonstrated on the court. It’s not just a matter of the box score. Team dynamics are personal, and I think that I need to understand those things before hatching an actionable plan. And I know that that’s not necessarily measurable in this moment. But it is the truth.

“Then the question is, well, are you going to trade Brad? Are you going to keep Brad? I don’t know. I would like to meet with Brad. I haven’t yet met with Brad. What are you going to do with K.P.? What are you going to do with Kuz? I don’t know. They have choices. They have the power of choice, as does Brad. So, what I really want to do is I want to get to know these guys. If the visions align for being competitive and doing things the right way with a little bit of patience, absolutely there’s a path forward with them.


This might point towards the plan of allowing Beal to break the scoring record and then trading him after December 15th. It also suggests they will lean toward extending Porzingis. If they ultimately trade him, it will be at some time down the road.
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Post#483 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 7, 2023 4:37 pm

Wow...!
Hand it to Michael Winger for candor, a completely businesslike attitude, & giving the immediate impression that he knows what he's doing.

I'm impressed. In fact, each of those 3 sentences individually is an absolute knockout!
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Post#484 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 7, 2023 4:49 pm

From the Athletic article:

League sources, who were granted anonymity because they spoke before Winger’s hire was made official, said Leonsis will give Winger autonomy to recraft the Wizards’ roster and their front office if that’s what Winger decides to do.

“We spent hours and hours and hours together on the phone, on Zoom, in person,” Winger says of Leonsis. “I was really moved by Ted’s vision for the team. And I thought to myself, ‘He is all about the right things and he’s proven he’s all about the right things because he’s done it with the Caps.’ There’s a real potential here to be great. There’s a real potential here to help these players grow. There’s a real potential here to give the fans an enjoyable team.”

How, exactly, will he, his front office and the coaches turn the Wizards into title contenders? Kyle Kuzma intends to become an unrestricted free agent this summer. Kristaps Porziņģis can become an unrestricted free agent this summer. And Bradley Beal, the team centerpiece who just completed the first season of a five-year, $251 million contract, has a no-trade clause.

Many rival executives The Athletic has polled informally over the last two weeks expect Winger to undertake a full rebuild — if not this offseason, then within the next year.

Asked about his plans for the team, Winger says he’s leaving his options open.

“The raw, unfiltered truth is, I haven’t yet crafted the immediate vision for the franchise,” he says. “There are a lot of talented and high-character players on the team. I want to get to know them a little bit. The construct of a team isn’t just a matter of what is demonstrated on the court. It’s not just a matter of the box score. Team dynamics are personal, and I think that I need to understand those things before hatching an actionable plan. And I know that that’s not necessarily measurable in this moment. But it is the truth.

“Then the question is, well, are you going to trade Brad? Are you going to keep Brad? I don’t know. I would like to meet with Brad. I haven’t yet met with Brad. What are you going to do with K.P.? What are you going to do with Kuz? I don’t know. They have choices. They have the power of choice, as does Brad. So, what I really want to do is I want to get to know these guys. If the visions align for being competitive and doing things the right way with a little bit of patience, absolutely there’s a path forward with them.

“I don’t think we’re going to be an overnight title contender; that I’m pretty confident about. And so, if they would rather pursue immediate winning, then they probably do have to pursue that somewhere else. But I think that there’s a very open dialog, a very open invitation to talk about the future of the team — the near-term future and the long-term future — and see where goals align and see where they don’t align.”

As Winger indicated, the Wizards aren’t a quick fix. The people within the NBA who know him best — Ferry, Presti and Frank — say he’ll approach his new role with discipline, with a well thought-out plan.

And so does Shapiro, the person who gave Winger his first big break and opened the door to so many other opportunities. Shapiro has conducted so many negotiations over the years that he’s seen a variety of approaches from different executives. But he expects Winger’s tone to resemble that of former Baltimore Orioles general manager and former Indians president and chief operating officer Hank Peters.

“It was not an easy negotiation because (Hank) was smart and he knew the discipline it took to be an effective negotiator,” Shapiro says. “But I’d know this: that once we finished a negotiation, it would be the kind of deal that benefited the team and benefited my player. In popular parlance, we call that a ‘win-win.’

“Mike is not a search-and-destroy negotiator. He’s a do-a-deal-and-build negotiator because the relationship that exists after the negotiation is as important as the deal you put together.”
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Post#485 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 7, 2023 4:55 pm

Guy sounds just great! Here's some more...

"Ferry needed support in what was a small front office. Ferry called Shapiro, and asked for permission to offer Winger a job as team counsel, focusing on negotiations and team processes.

"Winger remembers feeling conflicted about leaving Shapiro — until Shapiro, recognizing how great an opportunity joining the Cavaliers would be, encouraged him to take the job.

Winger spent the next five years in the Cleveland front office. At first, members of the Cavaliers’ basketball operations department worked out of one large room, and whenever Ferry’s young children visited, Winger took an interest in them. When new employees joined the Cavaliers, Winger invariably was one of the first people to welcome them. Anderson Varejão and Zydrunas Ilgauskas were among the players who appreciated Winger, Ferry says.

"“Three things stand out about Michael initially,” Ferry says now. “The guy has a huge heart; he cares about people. Two, he is an extremely hard worker. And three, he’s very smart.”

"In Cleveland, Winger had an up-close look at the early stages of LeBron James’ career.

"Although Winger didn’t evaluate players, Ferry says Winger contributed at a crucial moment during the 2008 offseason, as the front office weighed whether to complete a three-team trade for Milwaukee Bucks guard Mo Williams.

"At that time, the Cavaliers employed a process in which they ranked prospective players by their fit on the court and in the locker room. Williams ranked highly in both aspects, but Ferry and his colleagues started to hesitate to make the trade, worried that they had to give up Joe Smith and Damon Jones and absorb Williams’ substantial salary.

"Winger chimed in, reminding Ferry and the personnel evaluators that their ranking process described Williams as a superior fit. Adding Williams should be a no-brainer because of the criteria the Cavaliers already had established, Winger said. In essence, Ferry says, Winger held the front office accountable to follow its own procedures.

"Ferry completed the trade, and Williams averaged 17.8 points per game during his first season in Cleveland and made his first, and only, All-Star team. The Cavaliers improved from 45-37 the year before to 66-16 with Williams complementing James. "
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Post#486 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 7, 2023 4:58 pm

and even more...

“The thing I’ve always admired about Mike is — and I think a lot of it is his legal background — he just is able to organize his time and his work,” Presti says. “He’s able to give things maximum attention and be extremely efficient with that while also not shortcutting other things. So he’s able to handle a lot without sacrificing the quality, and I think that’s a rare skill.”
...Winger also has a dry sense of humor that he reveals just the right time. Presti recalls one offseason when the Thunder front office expected something to occur within the league, creating an opportunity for the Thunder. Presti will not divulge details on what occurred, but it’s possible that he and his colleagues thought that another team’s move would enable them to complete a trade or sign a free agent. Then, on a hot summer day in Oklahoma City, he and Winger were taking a break at a nearby frozen yogurt shop, sitting on narrow plastic chairs when, suddenly, their phones chimed, telling them that what they expected to happen did not happen, leaving the Thunder out of luck.

In that moment of disappointment, Presti remembers Winger imitating Bill Murray’s “Caddyshack” character, the loopy groundskeeper Carl Spackler. Riffing off Spackler’s famous anecdote about the Dalai Lama in the movie, Winger said something like: “So we got that goin’ for us, which is nice.”

Even Presti, one of the league’s most straight-laced executives, laughed out loud. (For the record, Winger doesn’t remember this anecdote. But if Presti is willing to divulge it, then it must have happened.)

Presti says: “His ability to kind of interject that type of humor at times when you wouldn’t expect it from him, I think that’s a huge underrated trait that he has.”

In 2017, Winger left the Thunder to join the Clippers as their general manager, working for president of basketball operations Lawrence Frank. Assistant general managers Mark Hughes and Trent Redden joined the franchise at that time, too.

The four of them made a good team, and they also received the backing of Clippers owner Steve Ballmer.

“Michael was involved in all aspects of the operation,” Frank says. “He’s a terrific strategic planner. He thinks two steps ahead. We didn’t take the fact that we were in the best market, Los Angeles, for granted. We operated like we didn’t have the benefit of L.A. …”

Frank adds: “(Michael) is an extremely caring, hard-working, kind, competitive, driven guy who is going to run an extremely high-performing organization with championship standards. He pays great attention to detail. He understands (that) the small stuff matters, it all adds up, that you win in the margins. He’s going to make (the Wizards) a great place for players and staff and make sure those guys have all the resources and it’s a safe place to come to work every day.”
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Post#487 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 7, 2023 5:04 pm

I tell you what... we have suffered a long time as fans of the Washington Wizards. A long long time. & no one can predict with certainty that Winger will turn things around.

All the same, the knowledge that the guy described in this article is going to be running things from now on makes this a big day, a red letter day in the life of a Wizards fan.
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Post#488 » by DCZards » Wed Jun 7, 2023 5:15 pm

payitforward wrote:Wow...!
Hand it to Michael Winger for candor, a completely businesslike attitude, & giving the immediate impression that he knows what he's doing.

I'm impressed. In fact, each of those 3 sentences individually is an absolute knockout!

Yup...straight talk from the top. I'm sure no one appreciates that more than the players, especially Kuz, KP & Beal.
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Post#489 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:05 pm

Very refreshing to read. First time I have felt actual excitement about the direction of the team since Wall/Beal/Porter were drafted.
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Post#490 » by 80sballboy » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:06 pm

I guess Ted is going to spend most of his time trying to buy the Nats so it's wise not running a mom-and-pop operation anymore.
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Post#491 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:20 pm

I'd say it seems like a good bet that Kuzma will be let go. They're clearly looking to rebuild (either immediately or starting December 15th when Beal can be traded for recently signed free agents). And it makes little sense for a rebuilding team to pay Kuzma something on the order of $25M a year. So Kuzma is gone unless there are no strong offers from other teams and he can be resigned to a contract that gives him trade value.
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Post#492 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:23 pm

Good thinking, nate -- & I sure hope you are right! & that those "good offers" do exist!
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Post#493 » by pcbothwel » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:24 pm

Agreed nate. No way he comes back.
KP is still possible because I think he loves the area and his role. He also can lock in a good contract and then be traded later.
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Post#494 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:27 pm

pcbothwel wrote:Agreed nate. No way he comes back.
KP is still possible because I think he loves the area and his role. He also can lock in a good contract and then be traded later.
Yeah or just be the token high paid vet every young team needs.

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Post#495 » by Tyrone Messby » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:31 pm

This might be the most excited I’ve been for the Wizards ever. Even more than MJ joining or getting Wall. We might finally have a …direction. And adults in the room. Rebuild it baby!
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Post#496 » by Tyrone Messby » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:34 pm

When is the last time a team exec mentioned title contender with the Wiz? If ever? Love Winger complimenting the current roster as well.
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Post#497 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 6:48 pm

Tyrone Messby wrote:This might be the most excited I’ve been for the Wizards ever. Even more than MJ joining or getting Wall. We might finally have a …direction. And adults in the room. Rebuild it baby!
I remember draft day 2011 I was sitting Infront of this old box set my mom had from the 90s and I was begging for kawhi I had done pages on a message board that wasn't this one as to why he's the guy and if he's gone we should go for Burks or jimmer..... I was admittedly not a clay guy back then. Then we take vesley ....
I was broken
Then the 18th came around. I really wanted to trade back . I wanted to target guys like Marshon Brooks (not the Memphis one), Jordan Hamilton,, Kyle singler, bojan, or jimmy. I really liked bojan way better than jimmy in my draft research. But we took singleton ....
Broken again !
Then our second rounder came do and we took mack who I actually liked. But I was so dissapointed.

Now I've been excited since but this feels like I'm a young man again watching the draft in my mom's sitting room.

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Post#498 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 7, 2023 7:51 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I remember draft day 2011 I was sitting Infront of this old box set my mom had from the 90s and I was begging for kawhi I had done pages on a message board that wasn't this one as to why he's the guy and if he's gone we should go for Burks or jimmer..... I was admittedly not a clay guy back then. Then we take vesley ....
I was broken
Then the 18th came around. I really wanted to trade back . I wanted to target guys like Marshon Brooks (not the Memphis one), Jordan Hamilton,, Kyle singler, bojan, or jimmy. I really liked bojan way better than jimmy in my draft research. But we took singleton ....

...feels like I'm a young man again watching the draft in my mom's sitting room.

Don't worry, gamby, you're still young to me! :)

What's really funny is that it sounds like you'd have been at least reasonably satisfied if we'd taken Jimmer Fredette & Jordan Hamilton in R1 that year! :)
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Post#499 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 7:56 pm

payitforward wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I remember draft day 2011 I was sitting Infront of this old box set my mom had from the 90s and I was begging for kawhi I had done pages on a message board that wasn't this one as to why he's the guy and if he's gone we should go for Burks or jimmer..... I was admittedly not a clay guy back then. Then we take vesley ....
I was broken
Then the 18th came around. I really wanted to trade back . I wanted to target guys like Marshon Brooks (not the Memphis one), Jordan Hamilton,, Kyle singler, bojan, or jimmy. I really liked bojan way better than jimmy in my draft research. But we took singleton ....

...feels like I'm a young man again watching the draft in my mom's sitting room.

Don't worry, gamby, you're still young to me! :)

What's really funny is that it sounds like you'd have been at least reasonably satisfied if we'd taken Jimmer Fredette & Jordan Hamilton in R1 that year! :)
Sigh..... Look I was just recounting it honestly lol. I was being honest and not using 20/20 hind sight. But you could absolutely argue that Jordan Hamilton and jimmer might have ended up better than vesley and singleton did. Lol

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Post#500 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Wed Jun 7, 2023 9:02 pm

nate33 wrote:I'd say it seems like a good bet that Kuzma will be let go. They're clearly looking to rebuild (either immediately or starting December 15th when Beal can be traded for recently signed free agents). And it makes little sense for a rebuilding team to pay Kuzma something on the order of $25M a year. So Kuzma is gone unless there are no strong offers from other teams and he can be resigned to a contract that gives him trade value.


Not going to count my chickens yet, but damn what a good feeling Kuzma's free agency from going it to almost being a soul-sucking inevitability he resigned here to be majorly in doubt now. He was going to get the bag here, then want to bolt as soon as he could, meanwhile taking minutes away from Deni (if he is still here too, which I think he will be) in a make or break year for him with this franchise.

Unless he is signed to a super reasonable deal and told he's going to be our 6th man, which would never happen from a locker room/ego perspective, let him be gone. Try to get an asset in a sign-and-trade if you can, but I'm fine letting him walk for nothing.

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