Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[EWINGtheory]

Yeah but at least you have an actual max worthy player in Dame. Jaylen IS NOT a max worthy player

Dame is max worthy today. But for how much longer? He's signed through 2027. So you're gonna be paying a guy $63 mil for 1 season, a season where he's 36 years old and is a 6'2" guard, who's not very good defensively at age 32, nevermind the D he'll be playing at age 36.

And even if Dame is a better player, it'll still be extremely difficult to have 2 guys (tatum, dame) on supermax contracts and still have enough $ leftover for the rest of the roster, for the supporting cast around those 2 guys to be good enough to win a championship.

Tatum's supermax wouldn't kick in till the 2025-2026 season though, so you're just hoping that you have a 2 year window before that with Tatum and Dame where you can hopefully win at least 1 ring in that 2 year window. But after that 2 year window, you're really gonna be hurting between a) the amount of $ you're paying 2 guys with not much $ left to pay the other 13 guys and b) paying a crazy amount of $ for an old, undersized guard who isn't very good defensively

Dame probably has 1 or 2 more years left where he'll be *really* good. After that, his contract will start looking bad - and it'll look worse and worse with each passing year.

Okay, so instead let's sign a redundant wing player that can't dribble or pass. Also, one who's defense has clearly slipped. At least with Dame you have a DOG that can light it up offensively. Can break down defenses, pass, dribble and score at all 3 levels. He's right there with Steph, just hasn't had the great teams that Steph has had.

Let me give you a scenario. Game 7. Tatum tweaks his ankle on the first play of the game. Grimacing the entire game. The team needs somebody to step up and lead the way because Tatum clearly is a decoy at this point. Jaylen Brown turned it over 8 times and STUNK. Failed miserably. Dame would have dropped 45pts and the Celtics would be in the NBA finals.

Was it worth it when Ainge dealt for KG? The whole point is to win a title. Not to be close for 10 years consecutively. You bring in Dame. Trade Brogdon for a wing player. Tweak things a bit around the edges. Guess what. You're probably winning 1-3 titles if anything breaks your way.

I'm sorry, but I'm really passionate about this. You clearly haven't watched Dame close enough. That guy is the far superior player VS Jaylen Brown and it's not even close.

Gonna sting for you in like 2 weeks when the blazers overpay for Zach Lavine to keep dame happy

[ddb]

Dame is max worthy today. But for how much longer? He's signed through 2027. So you're gonna be paying a guy $63 mil for 1 season, a season where he's 36 years old and is a 6'2" guard, who's not very good defensively at age 32, nevermind the D he'll be playing at age 36.

And even if Dame is a better player, it'll still be extremely difficult to have 2 guys (tatum, dame) on supermax contracts and still have enough $ leftover for the rest of the roster, for the supporting cast around those 2 guys to be good enough to win a championship.

Tatum's supermax wouldn't kick in till the 2025-2026 season though, so you're just hoping that you have a 2 year window before that with Tatum and Dame where you can hopefully win at least 1 ring in that 2 year window. But after that 2 year window, you're really gonna be hurting between a) the amount of $ you're paying 2 guys with not much $ left to pay the other 13 guys and b) paying a crazy amount of $ for an old, undersized guard who isn't very good defensively

Dame probably has 1 or 2 more years left where he'll be *really* good. After that, his contract will start looking bad - and it'll look worse and worse with each passing year.

Okay, so instead let's sign a redundant wing player that can't dribble or pass. Also, one who's defense has clearly slipped. At least with Dame you have a DOG that can light it up offensively. Can break down defenses, pass, dribble and score at all 3 levels. He's right there with Steph, just hasn't had the great teams that Steph has had.

Let me give you a scenario. Game 7. Tatum tweaks his ankle on the first play of the game. Grimacing the entire game. The team needs somebody to step up and lead the way because Tatum clearly is a decoy at this point. Jaylen Brown turned it over 8 times and STUNK. Failed miserably. Dame would have dropped 45pts and the Celtics would be in the NBA finals.

Was it worth it when Ainge dealt for KG? The whole point is to win a title. Not to be close for 10 years consecutively. You bring in Dame. Trade Brogdon for a wing player. Tweak things a bit around the edges. Guess what. You're probably winning 1-3 titles if anything breaks your way.

I'm sorry, but I'm really passionate about this. You clearly haven't watched Dame close enough. That guy is the far superior player VS Jaylen Brown and it's not even close.

Gonna sting for you in like 2 weeks when the blazers overpay for Zach Lavine to keep dame happy

No, no. I'm not living or dying with Dame here. I would love to see him in Celtic green, but you're right. Their first option is probably without question to try to build something on the fly around Dame. I know that. I won't be surprised.

[Hal14]

I don't know why the blazers would want Lowry and Herro as the two main pieces they would likely get back.

They don't of course, but it's possible Lillard could force his way to Miami, similar to Durant wanting to be in Phoenix
and AD choosing LA.

Miami always finds a way, they can bring another team or two in to take Herro and Lowry.

They do?

They're literally known as the team that every offseason (and trade deadline) is rumored to be interested in every freaking player under the sun, but never gets any of them haha.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

They don't of course, but it's possible Lillard could force his way to Miami, similar to Durant wanting to be in Phoenix
and AD choosing LA.

Yeah unfortunately this is todays NBA where the players pick where they want to go and the teams are more than happy to make it happen.

That's not how it works. If you're a serious front office executive and trying to build a winner and be respected around NBA circles, you make the best deal possible for your organization. You aren't doing anyone favors. Best case scenario is you land a package you want AND send Dame to a destination he's cool with. By the way, he mentions Miami and BK but the context is simply "yeah those are cool spots. I have boys on those teams." No question once he stepped foot in Boston he would love it, much like KG.

It just seems to me players like Durant, Irving, Harden, Carmelo Anthony, (When he wanted to get traded to NY) and Davis to name a few either name one team they want to go to, or a few teams and the player ends up there. You rarely see star players that demands a trade end up on teams like the Hornets, Thunder, Spurs or the pacers to name a few teams.

[fallguy]

ddb - your game 7 with Dame rather than Jaylen scenario is haunting.

[EWINGtheory]

ddb - your game 7 with Dame rather than Jaylen scenario is haunting.

It also completely would change how spo guarded us. You gonna trap and double Tatum and dare the number 2 to beat you? Ok, we’ll it’s dame lillard lol good luck or vice versa with trapping dame.

It’s a completely different strategy he would have to have

[ddb]

Yeah unfortunately this is todays NBA where the players pick where they want to go and the teams are more than happy to make it happen.

That's not how it works. If you're a serious front office executive and trying to build a winner and be respected around NBA circles, you make the best deal possible for your organization. You aren't doing anyone favors. Best case scenario is you land a package you want AND send Dame to a destination he's cool with. By the way, he mentions Miami and BK but the context is simply "yeah those are cool spots. I have boys on those teams." No question once he stepped foot in Boston he would love it, much like KG.

It just seems to me players like Durant, Irving, Harden, Carmelo Anthony, (When he wanted to get traded to NY) and Davis to name a few either name one team they want to go to, or a few teams and the player ends up there. You rarely see star players that demands a trade end up on teams like the Hornets, Thunder, Spurs or the pacers to name a few teams.

Because those teams like Spurs, Thunder aren’t stupid and going to sacrifice key assets for a 1-year rental.

Carmelo forced his way out with 1 year left on his deal. In fact, I think it was in his contract year in-season. If he waited he could have signed as a free agent and the Knicks would have been better without giving up key assets in a deadline deal.

Hardens deal was ending soon when forcing his way to BK.

Irving had 2 years left which was why Boston did the deal with Cleveland. Kyrie Still burned them but it ended up being a blessing in disguise for Boston.

KD did NOT force his way to Phoenix. That’s not a true story. They were a preferred destination with new ownership, and they overpaid for KD. No team was matching what the Suns gave up.

[Hal14]

Yeah but at least you have an actual max worthy player in Dame. Jaylen IS NOT a max worthy player

Dame is max worthy today. But for how much longer? He's signed through 2027. So you're gonna be paying a guy $63 mil for 1 season, a season where he's 36 years old and is a 6'2" guard, who's not very good defensively at age 32, nevermind the D he'll be playing at age 36.

And even if Dame is a better player, it'll still be extremely difficult to have 2 guys (tatum, dame) on supermax contracts and still have enough $ leftover for the rest of the roster, for the supporting cast around those 2 guys to be good enough to win a championship.

Tatum's supermax wouldn't kick in till the 2025-2026 season though, so you're just hoping that you have a 2 year window before that with Tatum and Dame where you can hopefully win at least 1 ring in that 2 year window. But after that 2 year window, you're really gonna be hurting between a) the amount of $ you're paying 2 guys with not much $ left to pay the other 13 guys and b) paying a crazy amount of $ for an old, undersized guard who isn't very good defensively

Dame probably has 1 or 2 more years left where he'll be *really* good. After that, his contract will start looking bad - and it'll look worse and worse with each passing year.

Okay, so instead let's sign a redundant wing player that can't dribble or pass. Also, one who's defense has clearly slipped. At least with Dame you have a DOG that can light it up offensively. Can break down defenses, pass, dribble and score at all 3 levels. He's right there with Steph, just hasn't had the great teams that Steph has had.

Let me give you a scenario. Game 7. Tatum tweaks his ankle on the first play of the game. Grimacing the entire game. The team needs somebody to step up and lead the way because Tatum clearly is a decoy at this point. Jaylen Brown turned it over 8 times and STUNK. Failed miserably. Dame would have dropped 45pts and the Celtics would be in the NBA finals.

Was it worth it when Ainge dealt for KG? The whole point is to win a title. Not to be close for 10 years consecutively. You bring in Dame. Trade Brogdon for a wing player. Tweak things a bit around the edges. Guess what. You're probably winning 1-3 titles if anything breaks your way.

I'm sorry, but I'm really passionate about this. You clearly haven't watched Dame close enough. That guy is the far superior player VS Jaylen Brown and it's not even close. And quite frankly he probably still will be in 4 years.

I never said to do that. I've been very vocal on here lately that I am in favor of trading JB, if it's the *right* deal.

Also, JB was bad in game 7 vs Miami. But that's just 1 game - a game where he was playing with an injured wrist - Bam fell on the wrist in game 1 - same wrist JB had surgery on.

And we wouldn't have even been in the ECF without JB.

It's likely a moot point, because:

-Reports have indicated that JB is unlikely to be traded - and that the only way he would be traded is if he requests a trade (which he has not done)
-Dame doesn't want to come here. He said his preferred destinations are Miami, followed by Brooklyn

[Andrew McCeltic]

They don't of course, but it's possible Lillard could force his way to Miami, similar to Durant wanting to be in Phoenix
and AD choosing LA.

Miami always finds a way, they can bring another team or two in to take Herro and Lowry.

They do?

They're literally known as the team that every offseason (and trade deadline) is rumored to be interested in every freaking player under the sun, but never gets any of them haha.

Do you remember who they traded to get Jimmy Butler as a free agent? When they had no cap space?

[playa-hater]

And Scottie Branes is probably in my top 3 most untouchable players in the league.

The Barnes hype has officially gone overboard

Hype has nothing to do with it... Toronto views S Barnes as their foundation piece going forward and wouldn't even consider KD for him. Sooo top 3 is still accurate !!

[chrisab123]

Dame doesn't want to be here. Cross him off the list and move on. This org views Smart is untradeable anyways so it makes sense to focus on proposals to help the front court. Guys like Trey Young or Dame, they don't want to be here and deal with the weather and the lack of nightlife and lack on endorsements and taxes. All of those things together make Boston very unattractive. This is a place where the players would choose over somewhere like Charlotte or Indiana or Utah for sure. But these players don't really care about winning and the ones that do only remember one title with this franchise. 17 Titles don't matter to them if you missed 16 of those.

[djFan71]

This is in the Dame stays scenario. POR uses 3 & Simons + to get him help.

Assumptions: JB is very low/zero possibility of resigning in POR. Much more likely to in ATL.

BOS: 3, Simons, Jalen Johnson, 29 ATL first (top 4?) for Brown
POR: Dejounte Murray, Okongwu for 3, Simons
ATL: Brown for DJM, Kong, JJ, 29 first

Murray is also expiring, but is from the Pacific NW (Seattle, went to UW), so Blazers feel better about resigning him than brown. And they get a big in this sceario.

Brown from ATL, so they feel better about resigning him. And fix the weird fit between DJM and Trae.


You can tweak the params (add PP, more picks, etc). But the basis seems viable for all 3 teams.

[chrisab123]

This is in the Dame stays scenario. POR uses 3 & Simons + to get him help.

Assumptions: JB is very low/zero possibility of resigning in POR. Much more likely to in ATL.

BOS: 3, Simons, Jalen Johnson, 29 ATL first (top 4?) for Brown
POR: Dejounte Murray, Okongwu for 3, Simons
ATL: Brown for DJM, Kong, 29 first

Murray is also expiring, but is from the Pacific NW (Seattle, went to UW), so Blazers feel better about resigning him than brown. And they get a big in this sceario.

Brown from ATL, so they feel better about resigning him. And fix the weird fit between DJM and Trae.


You can tweak the params (add PP, more picks, etc). But the basis seems viable for all 3 teams.

More depth but worse than the team we just saw last week. How does this make Tatum want to stay? They're more or less stuck with Brown and signing him to the max. If they go even a dollar less, my guess is that he's out of here. Tatum will take some selling even though he could get 300 + million from the Celtics.

[ddb]

Dame doesn't want to be here. Cross him off the list and move on. This org views Smart is untradeable anyways so it makes sense to focus on proposals to help the front court. Guys like Trey Young or Dame, they don't want to be here and deal with the weather and the lack of nightlife and lack on endorsements and taxes. All of those things together make Boston very unattractive. This is a place where the players would choose over somewhere like Charlotte or Indiana or Utah for sure. But these players don't really care about winning and the ones that do only remember one title with this franchise. 17 Titles don't matter to them if you missed 16 of those.

It literally doesn't matter if Dame wants to come to Boston or not. He's under contract for 4 more years. He's been playing in Portland, Oregon his entire career. Boston would be like a dream for that guy once he acclimated. I get that Boston isn't Miami or LA and that's where all these guys want to be....But it's one of the premier sports towns in the world. Most athletes get it and respect it once they arrive.

[exculpatory]

A trade getting us Dame & losing #7 would be mega-fantastic beyond description.

[Hal14]

Miami always finds a way, they can bring another team or two in to take Herro and Lowry.

They do?

They're literally known as the team that every offseason (and trade deadline) is rumored to be interested in every freaking player under the sun, but never gets any of them haha.

Do you remember who they traded to get Jimmy Butler as a free agent? When they had no cap space?

So 1 move they made, 4 years ago. Compared to over 100 players they were rumored to be interested in over the past 5 years that they did not acquire.

[exculpatory]

Dame & Jayson & a quality big would be unbeatable.
And yeah, a real coach.

[Bar Fight]

If we couldn't beat the Heat with Vincent/Lowry/Strus/Martin as their guard rotation, just imagine what Spo would do to us with Dame.

[Bohemian]

I'd love Lillard in Boston.

[EWINGtheory]

Dame doesn't want to be here. Cross him off the list and move on. This org views Smart is untradeable anyways so it makes sense to focus on proposals to help the front court. Guys like Trey Young or Dame, they don't want to be here and deal with the weather and the lack of nightlife and lack on endorsements and taxes. All of those things together make Boston very unattractive. This is a place where the players would choose over somewhere like Charlotte or Indiana or Utah for sure. But these players don't really care about winning and the ones that do only remember one title with this franchise. 17 Titles don't matter to them if you missed 16 of those.

Huge difference between Miami or Brooklyn being your top choice and not willing to come to Boston at all and it’s a big leap to make that assumption. Dame just spent a decade plus in Portland Oregon and refused to leave time and time again , how’s that nightlife?