Simons and Brogdon

[Moonbeam]

MARK MY WORDS:

It won't be long before we start seeing Simons outperform Dame on the court, IF both players are on the roster to start the season. Maybe the biggest reason I can think of to trade Simons, cause we can't have this happening, can we?

I truly don’t understand why you continue to imply that Dame has some massive ego problem and/or that he’s an awful teammate. You are alleging here that Dame would be threatened by Ant’s individual success as if that wouldn’t go a long way toward what Dame has repeatedly said he wants, which is a competitive team.

I understand that many people think moving on from Dame is the best move for Portland. That’s a fair take. But inventing narratives that make him out to be some awful boogeyman that is holding the team back for his own personal glory isn’t that.

[Moonbeam]

As far as a Simons/Brogdon swap, my only concern is Brogdon’s health. I’d do it if I felt confident that Brogdon could average 70 games per season, and I’m not sure that’s likely.

[BlazersBroncos]

MARK MY WORDS:

It won't be long before we start seeing Simons outperform Dame on the court, IF both players are on the roster to start the season. Maybe the biggest reason I can think of to trade Simons, cause we can't have this happening, can we?

I truly don’t understand why you continue to imply that Dame has some massive ego problem and/or that he’s an awful teammate. You are alleging here that Dame would be threatened by Ant’s individual success as if that wouldn’t go a long way toward what Dame has repeatedly said he wants, which is a competitive team.

I understand that many people think moving on from Dame is the best move for Portland. That’s a fair take. But inventing narratives that make him out to be some awful boogeyman that is holding the team back for his own personal glory isn’t that.

If we had Ben Simmons and Mark Williams instead of Dame we would be in the finals right now obviously.

[JasonStern]

I still think Simons can be an All-Star player. Probably in the East, on a team who can provide additional playmaking and defense to cover him, but he could be a 25 ppg scorer.

Simons is not an all-star. He's the second coming of Jamal Crawford. And that is not an insult. Jamal Crossover was a very productive scorer that played like 20 seasons, won three 6th man of the year awards, and scored over 20,000 points. Just like Crawford, Simons kind of sucks playing pure point guard. But he can score. The idea he has no value is insane. But he's also not an irreplaceable piece. And he's a terrible fit next to Dame - which isn't his fault, but it's true...

[monopoman]

MARK MY WORDS:

It won't be long before we start seeing Simons outperform Dame on the court, IF both players are on the roster to start the season. Maybe the biggest reason I can think of to trade Simons, cause we can't have this happening, can we?

I truly don’t understand why you continue to imply that Dame has some massive ego problem and/or that he’s an awful teammate. You are alleging here that Dame would be threatened by Ant’s individual success as if that wouldn’t go a long way toward what Dame has repeatedly said he wants, which is a competitive team.

I understand that many people think moving on from Dame is the best move for Portland. That’s a fair take. But inventing narratives that make him out to be some awful boogeyman that is holding the team back for his own personal glory isn’t that.

If we had Ben Simmons and Mark Williams instead of Dame we would be in the finals right now obviously.

Yeah Ben Simmons is an incredible player so good that he can't hit a **** shot and he hasn't played meaningful minutes on a team since he had a Sixers jersey on. Even then beyond good D and passing he brings nothing else to the table even when he is fully capable. If Ben Simmons made like 1/10th his salary he might be decent as a role player too bad he is paid like he is a superstar.

This take is beyond bad, Dame is 10 times the player Ben ever was or ever will be.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I still think Simons can be an All-Star player. Probably in the East, on a team who can provide additional playmaking and defense to cover him, but he could be a 25 ppg scorer.

Simons is not an all-star. He's the second coming of Jamal Crawford. And that is not an insult. Jamal Crossover was a very productive scorer that played like 20 seasons, won three 6th man of the year awards, and scored over 20,000 points. Just like Crawford, Simons kind of sucks playing pure point guard. But he can score. The idea he has no value is insane. But he's also not an irreplaceable piece. And he's a terrible fit next to Dame - which isn't his fault, but it's true...

Crawford actually was pretty good at playing point guard, he just didn't like that role. CJ is more that type of player and I think Simons is better than CJ in most ways. Simons looked much better at PG than he does a SG next to Lillard that is for sure.

So to be clear, I think in the right situation that Simons has a chance to sneak into an All-Star game. If CJ had his own team in the east over the last decade he likely would have snuck into the ASG once or twice. Put the ball in Simons hands with plenty of defenders and a point forward type player and I think he could average 25 ppg and make an ASG or two in the east. Not a perennial shoe-in for it but one of those fringe guys that right time/right place gets the nod.

[zzaj]

Just going off of watching both players a ton, Crawford was a much better defender than Simons is now--even at roughly the same age when JC was in Chi and NYK. I would probably give the nod to Simons right now as a PG, although both are bad at it. But JC's tunnel vision was a thing to behold at times...JC ended up embracing his role as uber 6th man. It's my feeling that Simons will be the same, long-term.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'd probably make that swap for the Celtics but it's a weird deal. Brogdon is a more well-rounded player so it's Simons' upside vs. Brogdon's injuries-&-age downside.

[Effigy]

Brogdon is old, slow and declining. Simons is still improving. Not even close in valude in my opinion.

Re: Brogdon: You left out ‘gets hurt all the time’

[zzaj]

Brogdon is old, slow and declining. Simons is still improving. Not even close in valude in my opinion.

Re: Brogdon: You left out ‘gets hurt all the time’

Simons is averaging about 9-10 more games per season than Brogdon. 63 vs. 54.