Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[GTR11]

This team is filled with questions from coaching stuff all the way to rookie contract CamT.

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20m for Tsai should be nothing if he really wants to win and maximize potential of our players, also will put much needed pressure on Marks to put extra effort.

[TheNetsFan]

This team is filled with questions from coaching stuff all the way to rookie contract CamT.

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20m for Tsai should be nothing if he really wants to win and maximize potential of our players, also will put much needed pressure on Marks to put extra effort.

Give that man a blank check.

[Tha King]

The most important piece on the roster is Clax imo...he's the only one with perennial all star upside. He's a unicorn athletically for a center and has so much more to go offensively. With another step up I can easily see him being the best player on the team next year.

What has Claxton done to suggest that he won't be another Clint Capela? He is a good defender, but a mediocre rebounder who doesn't have the size to guard Embiid. Furthermore, he is a bad ft shooter, has no jumpshot, and not a playmaker. If he is the best player on the team next year, then I think that says more about the team than it does about Clax.

I want to be optimistic about him, but I cannot remember a player who has developed a jumper while shooting at bad as Clax does from the ft line. Modern day NBA offenses require big men that do much more what Clax does offensively. That is why he was benched in the playoffs

Makes me wonder what have you watched two previous years before past. Won't even bother to ask you about his D.League or college time.

Problem with Nic has always been durability/availability. Imo that question remains valid until he showcase another healthy season. I won't even bother question his skills. Any rim running bum like Capela can't even hold Nic's towel on O. Better question will be why Marks/Tsai thought it's OK to hire Steve Trash who just watched games court side.

Nic playing on prove it bargain contract. Whether people agree or not, Nic will get 20m+ contract if he remains healthy next season.

How many rim runners can make these types of plays? Just a select few from this year.

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[vincecarter4pres]

Marcus Camby vibes. Prime Tyson Chandler too.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think if nothing else, I’d love if Marks offered DFS/22 for Moses Moody/19. Maybe you can also get the 11 for Dinwiddie and 21. If necessary to get their guy he moves the 11/19/Cam Thomas/future 2nd’s.

Wind up turning Dinwiddie/DFS/Cam T/21/22 into a top 10 pick and Moses Moody, I’d be pretty happy with that. Hopefully follow it up with a S&T for FVV without giving up too much. Not sure on hard cap implications for us on S&T’s though.

[Papi_swav]

We should look into signing and trading CamJ too. He's going to be overpaid

[vincecarter4pres]

We should look into signing and trading CamJ too. He's going to be overpaid

Disagree.

He’s a prototypical starting 3/4, will he in his prime the entire contract and he’s a plug and play player.

With the cap going up, he’ll be good value even at $25+ million a season, and if necessary will be easily movable in the future.

Plus he’s best friends with Bridges.

You keep Cam for sure.

[Tha King]

We should look into signing and trading CamJ too. He's going to be overpaid

Disagree.

He’s a prototypical starting 3/4, will he in his prime the entire contract and he’s a plug and play player.

With the cap going up, he’ll be good value even at $25+ million a season, and if necessary will be easily movable in the future.

Plus he’s best friends with Bridges.

You keep Cam for sure.

He's a 5th starter type without much upside. Can't create offense for himself and is solid but unspectacular defensively. While he's a good role player, you can't overpay this caliber of player imo when you already have a max contract just taking up space.

Look at the Hawks with Collins and even Joe Harris here. Could easily see him becoming a similar type of contract. You'd want to keep him but there comes a point where a S&T may be best.

[vincecarter4pres]

We should look into signing and trading CamJ too. He's going to be overpaid

Disagree.

He’s a prototypical starting 3/4, will he in his prime the entire contract and he’s a plug and play player.

With the cap going up, he’ll be good value even at $25+ million a season, and if necessary will be easily movable in the future.

Plus he’s best friends with Bridges.

You keep Cam for sure.

He's a 5th starter type without much upside. Can't create offense for himself and is solid but unspectacular defensively. While he's a good role player, you can't overpay this caliber of player imo when you already have a max contract just taking up space.

Look at the Hawks with Collins and even Joe Harris here. Could easily see him becoming a similar type of contract. You'd want to keep him but there comes a point where a S&T may be best.

It’s not an overpay, it’s what + starters are paid.

You’re probably going to get back trash for him in S&T as well.

Joe Harris got injured and re-injured, you can’t predict these things.

John Collins was a near max contract and is a fatally flawed player who was busted for steroids and after that his stats and game to a noticeable dive. He’s probably still easily movable for an expiring, maybe a late 1st as well. Atlanta has had trouble moving him because they were asking for lottery picks at the draft and two 1sts and a good useful player in return for him for the last two years.

[Papi_swav]

We should look into signing and trading CamJ too. He's going to be overpaid

Disagree.

He’s a prototypical starting 3/4, will he in his prime the entire contract and he’s a plug and play player.

With the cap going up, he’ll be good value even at $25+ million a season, and if necessary will be easily movable in the future.

Plus he’s best friends with Bridges.

You keep Cam for sure.

he's just not that good and too inconsistent. He'll give you 25 pts one game then 7 the next 2 games. We have Bridges that does what he does 2 times better. He has a good shot and size which has value but we're filled with guys like that. He doesn't take you off the dribble, his defense isn't that good, and he's kinda shy. If he's a starter then he's the weak link on the team, he's pretty much an off brand Tobias Harris tbh. I think we can get some good value for him or use him in a good package to level up.

[vincecarter4pres]

We should look into signing and trading CamJ too. He's going to be overpaid

Disagree.

He’s a prototypical starting 3/4, will he in his prime the entire contract and he’s a plug and play player.

With the cap going up, he’ll be good value even at $25+ million a season, and if necessary will be easily movable in the future.

Plus he’s best friends with Bridges.

You keep Cam for sure.

he's just not that good and too inconsistent. He'll give you 25 pts one game then 7 the next 2 games. We have Bridges that does what he does 2 times better. He has a good shot and size which has value but we're filled with guys like that. He doesn't take you off the dribble, his defense isn't that good, and he's kinda shy. If he's a starter then he's the weak link on the team, he's pretty much an off brand Tobias Harris tbh. I think we can get some good value for him or use him in a good package to level up.

He’s a very good shooter, he’s heady, makes good passes and doesn’t stop the ball, gets out in transition, is an average at worst defender, a little above average athletically and fits in almost any lineup as long as you’re not looking at him to create and can slide around 2-5 depending on the lineup, throughout the game.

His production has increased every year, he’s very efficient and upped his production and efficiency this playoffs.

Any guy not averaging at least 20ppg in a go to role is going to give you 25 one night and 7 another two nights, besides that’s completely anecdotal to begin with, and kind of BS tbh, if you check his game logs he’s pretty consistent, he’s almost the model of consistency.

[GTR11]

We should look into signing and trading CamJ too. He's going to be overpaid

How much is overpaid in your opinion?

I want to see how much Rockets and Pistons willing to spend first, what will happen during the draft and only than draw any decision.

Wizzards going into rebuild mode so Beal, Kuzma and KP available now.

[vincecarter4pres]

Also, I don’t love Beal, but assuming 3 things, we’d have to make a move for him, right?

1. He’ll waive his NTC for BK

2. Washington takes something along the lines of Simmons/Cam T/21/22/future 1st from ‘25 for him

3. There isn’t anything else interesting out there on draft night for Marks to make a big move.

[GTR11]

Disagree.

He’s a prototypical starting 3/4, will he in his prime the entire contract and he’s a plug and play player.

With the cap going up, he’ll be good value even at $25+ million a season, and if necessary will be easily movable in the future.

Plus he’s best friends with Bridges.

You keep Cam for sure.

he's just not that good and too inconsistent. He'll give you 25 pts one game then 7 the next 2 games. We have Bridges that does what he does 2 times better. He has a good shot and size which has value but we're filled with guys like that. He doesn't take you off the dribble, his defense isn't that good, and he's kinda shy. If he's a starter then he's the weak link on the team, he's pretty much an off brand Tobias Harris tbh. I think we can get some good value for him or use him in a good package to level up.

He’s a very good shooter, he’s heady, makes good passes and doesn’t stop the ball, gets out in transition, is an average at worst defender, a little above average athletically and fits in almost any lineup as long as you’re not looking at him to create and can slide around 2-5 depending on the lineup, throughout the game.

His production has increased every year, he’s very efficient and upped his production and efficiency this playoffs.

Any guy not averaging at least 20ppg in a go to role is going to give you 25 one night and 7 another two nights, besides that’s completely anecdotal to begin with, and kind of BS tbh, if you check his game logs he’s pretty consistent, he’s almost the model of consistency.

Yeah yeah we hear you with all that hype up talk, but let's not forget we in a team sports business. Teams did it in prior years under different CBA, where now same teams facing harsh penalties and willing to unload their key players.

If Detroit with Monty willing to spend 30m on CamJ, I'm not willing to do so. That will be huge overpay even if he's that legit 3rd wheel guy ( that yet to be determined ). That new CBA will limit us signing any FA if we give CamJ that money. I'd rather S&T him to Detroit for Stewart in that circumstance. I'd rather pursue possibility of Lamelo and Ingram instead.

[TheNetsFan]

Also, I don’t love Beal, but assuming 3 things, we’d have to make a move for him, right?

1. He’ll waive his NTC for BK

2. Washington takes something along the lines of Simmons/Cam T/21/22/future 1st from ‘25 for him

3. There isn’t anything else interesting out there on draft night for Marks to make a big move.

No thanks. I don't want Beal anywhere near Barclay's. If we're going to make a trade with Washington, I'd rather talk Porzingis into an opt-in and extend deal.

[Marvin Martian]

Disagree.

He’s a prototypical starting 3/4, will he in his prime the entire contract and he’s a plug and play player.

With the cap going up, he’ll be good value even at $25+ million a season, and if necessary will be easily movable in the future.

Plus he’s best friends with Bridges.

You keep Cam for sure.

he's just not that good and too inconsistent. He'll give you 25 pts one game then 7 the next 2 games. We have Bridges that does what he does 2 times better. He has a good shot and size which has value but we're filled with guys like that. He doesn't take you off the dribble, his defense isn't that good, and he's kinda shy. If he's a starter then he's the weak link on the team, he's pretty much an off brand Tobias Harris tbh. I think we can get some good value for him or use him in a good package to level up.

He’s a very good shooter, he’s heady, makes good passes and doesn’t stop the ball, gets out in transition, is an average at worst defender, a little above average athletically and fits in almost any lineup as long as you’re not looking at him to create and can slide around 2-5 depending on the lineup, throughout the game.

His production has increased every year, he’s very efficient and upped his production and efficiency this playoffs.

Any guy not averaging at least 20ppg in a go to role is going to give you 25 one night and 7 another two nights, besides that’s completely anecdotal to begin with, and kind of BS tbh, if you check his game logs he’s pretty consistent, he’s almost the model of consistency.

CamJ is a bit worse than how you describe. He cannot dribble or post up, which makes him a liability on offense. Teams can hide small weak defenders on him and when switched with a big, he cannot take advantage due to his poor handles. He is also scared of taking mid range shots for some reason. He improved on those things a little bit in the playoffs (maybe due to small ball), but he needs to do it every game.

He is not a bad player, but much like the rest of the roster, he would look better when teaming up with guys like KD.

[Papi_swav]

Disagree.

He’s a prototypical starting 3/4, will he in his prime the entire contract and he’s a plug and play player.

With the cap going up, he’ll be good value even at $25+ million a season, and if necessary will be easily movable in the future.

Plus he’s best friends with Bridges.

You keep Cam for sure.

he's just not that good and too inconsistent. He'll give you 25 pts one game then 7 the next 2 games. We have Bridges that does what he does 2 times better. He has a good shot and size which has value but we're filled with guys like that. He doesn't take you off the dribble, his defense isn't that good, and he's kinda shy. If he's a starter then he's the weak link on the team, he's pretty much an off brand Tobias Harris tbh. I think we can get some good value for him or use him in a good package to level up.

He’s a very good shooter, he’s heady, makes good passes and doesn’t stop the ball, gets out in transition, is an average at worst defender, a little above average athletically and fits in almost any lineup as long as you’re not looking at him to create and can slide around 2-5 depending on the lineup, throughout the game.

His production has increased every year, he’s very efficient and upped his production and efficiency this playoffs.

Any guy not averaging at least 20ppg in a go to role is going to give you 25 one night and 7 another two nights, besides that’s completely anecdotal to begin with, and kind of BS tbh, if you check his game logs he’s pretty consistent, he’s almost the model of consistency.

Bridges is the model of consistency, Cam J is definitely not that. Paying 25M plus to a player is for legit starting players that are consistent and provides something even without shooting or scoring, not fringe level starters.

Cam J doesn't provide anything else but good shooting on good size. He does not defend well, guys just attack him off the dribble and either scores or gets a foul call. He doesn't rebound well at all for his size, he's too skinny to fight for boards. And he doesn't attack well enough off the dribble, score off the dribble or pass well enough. He's pretty much just a spot up shooter that can make an occasional back door cut and make a pull up jumpshot here or there.

Bridges has a few go to moves he can go to to get his shot off, Cam J does not. Once he gets the ball he just passes it right away, which I'm not mad about but that proves he can't do anything off the dribble. He's pretty much a taller Joe Harris if you ask me. I'm not trying to make it seem like he sucks but I don't see him as a future winning type of player. And us having like 3 players like him is kind of redundant to have him here. We can find a player like him for alot cheaper. Other teams will value him alot more just for his size and shooting and we can capitalize off that.

[vincecarter4pres]

he's just not that good and too inconsistent. He'll give you 25 pts one game then 7 the next 2 games. We have Bridges that does what he does 2 times better. He has a good shot and size which has value but we're filled with guys like that. He doesn't take you off the dribble, his defense isn't that good, and he's kinda shy. If he's a starter then he's the weak link on the team, he's pretty much an off brand Tobias Harris tbh. I think we can get some good value for him or use him in a good package to level up.

He’s a very good shooter, he’s heady, makes good passes and doesn’t stop the ball, gets out in transition, is an average at worst defender, a little above average athletically and fits in almost any lineup as long as you’re not looking at him to create and can slide around 2-5 depending on the lineup, throughout the game.

His production has increased every year, he’s very efficient and upped his production and efficiency this playoffs.

Any guy not averaging at least 20ppg in a go to role is going to give you 25 one night and 7 another two nights, besides that’s completely anecdotal to begin with, and kind of BS tbh, if you check his game logs he’s pretty consistent, he’s almost the model of consistency.

CamJ is a bit worse than how you describe. He cannot dribble or post up, which makes him a liability on offense. Teams can hide small weak defenders on him and when switched with a big, he cannot take advantage due to his poor handles. He is also scared of taking mid range shots for some reason. He improved on those things a little bit in the playoffs (maybe due to small ball), but he needs to do it every game.

He is not a bad player, but much like the rest of the roster, he would look better when teaming up with guys like KD.

Yet he put up the best stats of his young career after the trade to Brooklyn.

[vincecarter4pres]

he's just not that good and too inconsistent. He'll give you 25 pts one game then 7 the next 2 games. We have Bridges that does what he does 2 times better. He has a good shot and size which has value but we're filled with guys like that. He doesn't take you off the dribble, his defense isn't that good, and he's kinda shy. If he's a starter then he's the weak link on the team, he's pretty much an off brand Tobias Harris tbh. I think we can get some good value for him or use him in a good package to level up.

He’s a very good shooter, he’s heady, makes good passes and doesn’t stop the ball, gets out in transition, is an average at worst defender, a little above average athletically and fits in almost any lineup as long as you’re not looking at him to create and can slide around 2-5 depending on the lineup, throughout the game.

His production has increased every year, he’s very efficient and upped his production and efficiency this playoffs.

Any guy not averaging at least 20ppg in a go to role is going to give you 25 one night and 7 another two nights, besides that’s completely anecdotal to begin with, and kind of BS tbh, if you check his game logs he’s pretty consistent, he’s almost the model of consistency.

Bridges is the model of consistency, Cam J is definitely not that. Paying 25M plus to a player is for legit starting players that are consistent and provides something even without shooting or scoring, not fringe level starters.

Cam J doesn't provide anything else but good shooting on good size. He does not defend well, guys just attack him off the dribble and either scores or gets a foul call. He doesn't rebound well at all for his size, he's too skinny to fight for boards. And he doesn't attack well enough off the dribble, score off the dribble or pass well enough. He's pretty much just a spot up shooter that can make an occasional back door cut and make a pull up jumpshot here or there.

Bridges has a few go to moves he can go to to get his shot off, Cam J does not. Once he gets the ball he just passes it right away, which I'm not mad about but that proves he can't do anything off the dribble. He's pretty much a taller Joe Harris if you ask me. I'm not trying to make it seem like he sucks but I don't see him as a future winning type of player. And us having like 3 players like him is kind of redundant to have him here. We can find a player like him for alot cheaper. Other teams will value him alot more just for his size and shooting and we can capitalize off that.

I don’t see the point in comparing him to Bridges, they are on entirely different levels as players.

And again you just saying he’s inconsistent is anecdotal and basically just untrue.

The game logs do not lie.

[Papi_swav]

He’s a very good shooter, he’s heady, makes good passes and doesn’t stop the ball, gets out in transition, is an average at worst defender, a little above average athletically and fits in almost any lineup as long as you’re not looking at him to create and can slide around 2-5 depending on the lineup, throughout the game.

His production has increased every year, he’s very efficient and upped his production and efficiency this playoffs.

Any guy not averaging at least 20ppg in a go to role is going to give you 25 one night and 7 another two nights, besides that’s completely anecdotal to begin with, and kind of BS tbh, if you check his game logs he’s pretty consistent, he’s almost the model of consistency.

Bridges is the model of consistency, Cam J is definitely not that. Paying 25M plus to a player is for legit starting players that are consistent and provides something even without shooting or scoring, not fringe level starters.

Cam J doesn't provide anything else but good shooting on good size. He does not defend well, guys just attack him off the dribble and either scores or gets a foul call. He doesn't rebound well at all for his size, he's too skinny to fight for boards. And he doesn't attack well enough off the dribble, score off the dribble or pass well enough. He's pretty much just a spot up shooter that can make an occasional back door cut and make a pull up jumpshot here or there.

Bridges has a few go to moves he can go to to get his shot off, Cam J does not. Once he gets the ball he just passes it right away, which I'm not mad about but that proves he can't do anything off the dribble. He's pretty much a taller Joe Harris if you ask me. I'm not trying to make it seem like he sucks but I don't see him as a future winning type of player. And us having like 3 players like him is kind of redundant to have him here. We can find a player like him for alot cheaper. Other teams will value him alot more just for his size and shooting and we can capitalize off that.

I don’t see the point in comparing him to Bridges, they are on entirely different levels as players.

And again you just saying he’s inconsistent is anecdotal and basically just untrue.

The game logs do not lie.

He put up his best numbers in BK because he had too, he became the 2nd option which means more shots, mins and opportunities. Him and Bridges being entirely different level as players is my point, Bridges is 2 times better than him and basically plays the same positions, almost the same size, almost the same age, and Bridges is on a much better contract then what CamJ is about to get. This my whole point we don't need 2 of the exact same type of players when Bridges is vastly better than him, it's redundant.

Idk how you can say him being inconsistent isn't true as if I'm lying. Those exact game logs your talking about proves this, with the exception of the playoffs (small sample size) and the last few games of the year. Just look at the April games, he has 2 30 pt games, 3 20 pt games mixed in with with like 5 games of him scoring 10 pts or less (single digits). That's not the type of player you pay 25M plus for unless they're bringing in something else like great defending, passing, rebounding etc.. which Cam J does not.