Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[Larry_Russell]

Build around Jay’s! Banned members who are trying to offer brown for **** trades

Why should we build around the jays?

What do they do so good together that makes them inseperable?

Is the team worse when Brown sits?
Is Tatum worse when Brown Sits?
Does signing Jaylen to a max or super max contract make it easier to build a team around them?

What skills does brown have that works with Tatum and Elevates others?
Is it his playmaking ability?
His ball handling?
his court vision?
His 3pter?
His Defense?

[big-shot-ROB]

Try to trade Smart/Brogdon/picks for Beal.

Supermax Jaylen.

Next year trade Jaylen with 5 years left for way more than you traded away for Beal this year.

Tatum will still be happy to extend to keep playing with his BFF. It will be a net asset gain for us. Brown to Beal isn't even that big of a downgrade on the court.

Beal signed a 5 year supermax extension last summer. So trading for Beal leads to a lot of the same financial challenges as signing JB to a supermax this summer.

It'd be very difficult to have a roster deep with talent, if we have 2 guys on a supermax - and Tatum is getting his next summer.

We don't have those challenges if we trade JB for Siakam.

Siakam has a year left on his contract and then he needs to be super-maxed just like Brown, what are you talking about?

[Larry_Russell]

Try to trade Smart/Brogdon/picks for Beal.

Supermax Jaylen.

Next year trade Jaylen with 5 years left for way more than you traded away for Beal this year.

Tatum will still be happy to extend to keep playing with his BFF. It will be a net asset gain for us. Brown to Beal isn't even that big of a downgrade on the court.

Beal signed a 5 year supermax extension last summer. So trading for Beal leads to a lot of the same financial challenges as signing JB to a supermax this summer.

It'd be very difficult to have a roster deep with talent, if we have 2 guys on a supermax - and Tatum is getting his next summer.

We don't have those challenges if we trade JB for Siakam.

Siakam has a year left on his contract and then he needs to be super-maxed just like Brown, what are you talking about?

I dont think we can supermax him cause we didnt draft him....but yeah.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Overreaction? During the regular season the Celtics were 3.7 points per 100 possessions WORSE when Brown was on the court, and 7.9 points WORSE per 100 possessions during the playoffs.

This is not just the playoffs. Brown is not a fundamentally sound basketball player. It's just that his unsound play is exacerbated against better teams.

If he even a top 75 play in your opinion?

He's a $20-22M player. He's not a max or supermax player.

Seems very few agree with this.

Of course, you wanted to deal Tatum and Brown for picks last year, so typically assume you're mostly trolling for attention.

[Celts17Pride]

Why should we build around the jays?

What do they do so good together that makes them inseperable?

5 ECF appearances in 7 years, 1 NBA Finals appearance. Both 25 & 26 years old.

[big-shot-ROB]

Sometimes I wake up wishing we lost Brown and everyone that has beencalling for his head for years had to endure being the Sixers and getting eliminated every year in the 1st or 2nd round.

Tbh, that maybe would bring me even more enjoyment that repeatedly getting to ECF and Finals at first.

[zoyathedestroya]

Brown alongside a Doncic or Jokic would be a more efficient scorer. But he'd still have to buy into being more of an offball threat (get better at navigating screens, setting screens, C&S, cutting, reading defenses, etc.), embrace that role, and minimize the tunnel vision possessions. And against tougher defenses, use his threat as a secondary scorer to get his teammates open looks, get that ball movement going.

So basically, what we've been pining to him to do last couple of years. Trying to be another Tatum isn't his path imo. If he thinks he can be that and still wants to pursue that, I'm praying it's on another team.

[Celts17Pride]

Try to trade Smart/Brogdon/picks for Beal.

Supermax Jaylen.

Next year trade Jaylen with 5 years left for way more than you traded away for Beal this year.

Tatum will still be happy to extend to keep playing with his BFF. It will be a net asset gain for us. Brown to Beal isn't even that big of a downgrade on the court.

Beal signed a 5 year supermax extension last summer. So trading for Beal leads to a lot of the same financial challenges as signing JB to a supermax this summer.

but trading for Dame Lillard doesn't?

[big-shot-ROB]

Why should we build around the jays?

What do they do so good together that makes them inseperable?

5 ECF appearances in 7 years, 1 NBA Finals appearance. Both 25 & 26 years old.

The NBA wouldn't honeslty be a profitable business if half of the fans had the corresponding negative view on their team results bos fans have of theirs.

[djFan71]

Try to trade Smart/Brogdon/picks for Beal.

Supermax Jaylen.

Next year trade Jaylen with 5 years left for way more than you traded away for Beal this year.

Tatum will still be happy to extend to keep playing with his BFF. It will be a net asset gain for us. Brown to Beal isn't even that big of a downgrade on the court.

Beal signed a 5 year supermax extension last summer. So trading for Beal leads to a lot of the same financial challenges as signing JB to a supermax this summer.

but trading for Dame Lillard doesn't?

They become worth it at that point. Surely you can see that?

[Celts17Pride]

Why should we build around the jays?

What do they do so good together that makes them inseperable?

5 ECF appearances in 7 years, 1 NBA Finals appearance. Both 25 & 26 years old.

The NBA wouldn't honeslty be a profitable business if half of the fans had the corresponding negative view on their team results bos fans have of theirs.

Everyone is still pissy about the Celtics losing in the ECF. It's to be expected.

[DarkAzcura]

Why should we build around the jays?

What do they do so good together that makes them inseperable?

5 ECF appearances in 7 years, 1 NBA Finals appearance. Both 25 & 26 years old.

I agree with the point, but we really should amend this to say 4 in 6 years.

The IT one shouldn’t count, imo.

[Hal14]

Try to trade Smart/Brogdon/picks for Beal.

Supermax Jaylen.

Next year trade Jaylen with 5 years left for way more than you traded away for Beal this year.

Tatum will still be happy to extend to keep playing with his BFF. It will be a net asset gain for us. Brown to Beal isn't even that big of a downgrade on the court.

Beal signed a 5 year supermax extension last summer. So trading for Beal leads to a lot of the same financial challenges as signing JB to a supermax this summer.

It'd be very difficult to have a roster deep with talent, if we have 2 guys on a supermax - and Tatum is getting his next summer.

We don't have those challenges if we trade JB for Siakam.

Siakam has a year left on his contract and then he needs to be super-maxed just like Brown, what are you talking about?

Siakam didn't make all-NBA team this season (JB did) which is why Siakam is not supermax eligible, while JB is.

Also, a player can only sign a supermax with the team that drafted him. So we can't sign Siakam to a supermax.

[zoyathedestroya]

If we're standing pat for the most part, Cs either need to convince Brogdon to be more of a bench playmaker or they need to trade him for one. The Brogdon-Brown combo doesn't work so well when Tatum sits cos both of them have a tendency to hog the ball and overdribble. Have to find ways to still win the non-Tatum minutes.

[Celts17Pride]

Beal signed a 5 year supermax extension last summer. So trading for Beal leads to a lot of the same financial challenges as signing JB to a supermax this summer.

but trading for Dame Lillard doesn't?

They become worth it at that point. Surely you can see that?

Just like when Durant, Harden and Irving were going to own the league for the next 5 years?

Durant going to the Suns, game over. Yeah, game over for the Phoenix Suns.

No I don't see that.

Grass is always greener.

[big-shot-ROB]

Brown alongside a Doncic or Jokic would be a more efficient scorer. But he'd still have to buy into being more of an offball threat (get better at navigating screens, setting screens, C&S, cutting, reading defenses, etc.), embrace that role, and minimize the tunnel vision possessions. And against tougher defenses, use his threat as a secondary scorer to get his teammates open looks, get that ball movement going.

So basically, what we've been pining to him to do last couple of years. Trying to be another Tatum isn't his path imo. If he thinks he can be that and still wants to pursue that, I'm praying it's on another team.

Half of the blame goes to the coach and Brad. I think Brown himself knows when he's at his best despite wanting more. But when your PGs are Smart, White and Brogdon and you run a motion offense that consists on 3 passes on the perimeter and one half assed screen then there's so much Brown can do too.

[Larry_Russell]

Why should we build around the jays?

What do they do so good together that makes them inseperable?

5 ECF appearances in 7 years, 1 NBA Finals appearance. Both 25 & 26 years old.

Got some good luck playing a part in that.
and also some really good "teams".


And Tatum, definately Tatum. Without his insane performances we dont get there.

You ignored all the questions I posed which tells me your argument for keeping brown is based solely on feelings than evidence as anyone who actually looks at the numbers and see that everyone is worse when playing with Brown than with without him shows.

[Hal14]

Try to trade Smart/Brogdon/picks for Beal.

Supermax Jaylen.

Next year trade Jaylen with 5 years left for way more than you traded away for Beal this year.

Tatum will still be happy to extend to keep playing with his BFF. It will be a net asset gain for us. Brown to Beal isn't even that big of a downgrade on the court.

Beal signed a 5 year supermax extension last summer. So trading for Beal leads to a lot of the same financial challenges as signing JB to a supermax this summer.

but trading for Dame Lillard doesn't?

I didn't say that. Lillard also has a supermax and would absolutely result in financial challenges if we traded for him.

[Larry_Russell]

Brown alongside a Doncic or Jokic would be a more efficient scorer. But he'd still have to buy into being more of an offball threat (get better at navigating screens, setting screens, C&S, cutting, reading defenses, etc.), embrace that role, and minimize the tunnel vision possessions. And against tougher defenses, use his threat as a secondary scorer to get his teammates open looks, get that ball movement going.

So basically, what we've been pining to him to do last couple of years. Trying to be another Tatum isn't his path imo. If he thinks he can be that and still wants to pursue that, I'm praying it's on another team.

Exactly.

Brown is a square peg. We have a square peg in Tatum

Let them both be square pegs, square pegs are great. But we cannot make both those pegs slightly more round in hopes that they work better together.

And team has needed brown to be more "round" for multiple seasons now and has shown ZERO improvement towardsit.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Why should we build around the jays?

What do they do so good together that makes them inseperable?

5 ECF appearances in 7 years, 1 NBA Finals appearance. Both 25 & 26 years old.

Larry would have broken up Jordan's Bulls..