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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#21 » by jonbob17 » Fri Jun 9, 2023 1:43 am

6 Hendricks
11 One of Black, Cason, Gradey, Lively
Trade 36 + to move up enough to take Podziemski or Jamie Jaquez, depending on who we take at 11

Even Better...Move 6+11 and whatever else for Cade or Lamelo or Mikal Bridges. Maybe one of the picks and player(s) for Dejounte Murray.

What will actually happen: the Magic take two guys I totally didn't expect, and I will be 100% ok with that, and then they will sell pick 36 to the Lakers for cash, the Lakers will take someone I like, and I will whine about it for the next two years.
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#22 » by dsg2021 » Fri Jun 9, 2023 2:04 am

Big disclaimer, the level of fan-scouting for me this year was like a 3 out of 10. So I'm not gonna eat crow nor celebrate too much on any of these calls going one way or another.



Big Board
1. Victor Wembanyama - Unanimous future SAS All Star and probably more.
2. Brandon Miller - Questions about character and being a 2, which is the better spot for ORL. That's really about it.
3. Taylor Hendricks - I get some JI vibes from Hendricks. I don't care that he really might be a 4 forever. I see some Antawn Jamison on offense and a lesser version of JI on defense. I think he is not just a high floor player, he is also a high ceiling player.
4. Cam Whitmore - I don't even necessarily think he's going to explode as a point of attack, #1-2 option. But imho, his game seems very well suited for ORL as a catch and shoot threat and then as yet another driver on the floor who can be a bit too unstoppable (the first one being Banchero).
5. Jalen Hood-Schifino - A 6'5 PG with zero liability on defense who has focused strengths in orchestrating a PnR with high IQ and Passing AND in hitting all kinds of pull-ups and step-backs from mid to 3 land. Sounds perfect for the NBA, and ORL.
6. Scoot Henderson - Some not-so-amazing-shooting young PG's who are still having massive impacts for their NBA teams is why I'm good with Scoot. His mid range shooting is more deadly, and while less efficient than a 3, it's the kind of offense you genuinely need sometimes.
7. Jarace Walker - Undersized 4 who easily won't play like he is. Seems very well rounded, plus very defensive, plus very high IQ.
8. Gradey Dick - I think he will avoid being one of those top 10 pick shooters who didn't do so hot in the NBA, because of his measurables, his pull up efficiency being high, his quicker release, and this sort of high IQ he seems to play with in everything, from passing to defense.
9. Jordan Hawkins - I think he's going to get solid on defense, which will let Coaches give him off-ball pins and actions, which will then let him shine as a taller JJ Redick. If I knew ORL would give him off-ball actions right away, I'd put him higher. Love him.
10. Colby Jones - A high floor 3&D wing with a good feel for the game, who is even a bit beyond 3&D with things like great cutting, three level scoring ability, and high IQ for offensive schemes.
11. Bilal Coulibaly - I think he's real in the sense of what I have seen from his defense and athleticism. He's awfully similar to an OG Anunoby if he can develop that shot and offense more.


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6 - Traded into the future

11 - Jalen Hood-Schifino, PG

36 - Traded into the future
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#23 » by Bensational » Fri Jun 9, 2023 2:10 am

My top 11
1. Wemby - the prize
2. Miller - easy fit with what we have, natural scorer.
3. Cason - elite defender with lead guard potential
4. Jalen Hood-Schifino - most complete game amongst guard prospects. No major holes. Has a Jamal Murray vibe.
5. Podziemski - has the scoring knack, could be like Desmond Bane.
6. Scoot - talent-wise would rank 3rd, but I don’t love his fit with us.
7. Amen - talent-wise would rank 4th. elite package but terrible fit for us.
8. Walker - the defender championship teams need
9. Gradey - more than just a shooter, could fit nicely within our offense taking shots or making passes.
10. Black - same weaknesses as Scoot/Amen and less upside than them, but I think his game is a safer bet and I could see him making that shot work.
11. Hendricks - modern 3&D guy


Best draft outcome -

One of Cason/JHS/Podz/Black

One of Hendricks/Gradey
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#24 » by dsg2021 » Fri Jun 9, 2023 4:09 am

Bensational wrote:My top 11
1. Wemby - the prize
2. Miller - easy fit with what we have, natural scorer.
3. Cason - elite defender with lead guard potential
4. Jalen Hood-Schifino - most complete game amongst guard prospects. No major holes. Has a Jamal Murray vibe.
5. Podziemski - has the scoring knack, could be like Desmond Bane.
6. Scoot - talent-wise would rank 3rd, but I don’t love his fit with us.
7. Amen - talent-wise would rank 4th. elite package but terrible fit for us.
8. Walker - the defender championship teams need
9. Gradey - more than just a shooter, could fit nicely within our offense taking shots or making passes.
10. Black - same weaknesses as Scoot/Amen and less upside than them, but I think his game is a safer bet and I could see him making that shot work.
11. Hendricks - modern 3&D guy


Best draft outcome -

One of Cason/JHS/Podz/Black

One of Hendricks/Gradey


I've been very surprised by the fact that we do have some good 2/3's with accurate shooting in this draft. It genuinely feels like one of them will grow into NBA defense, raising their value by a ton. Or just carry their offense really, really well into the NBA.

Basically, I don't necessarily see like a Devin Booker or Donovan Mitchell, but one or two might be getting pretty close to it. And the players I'm talking about are Dick, Hawkins, Podziemski, Jett, Sensabaugh, maybe even 1-2 more.
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#25 » by Bensational » Fri Jun 9, 2023 5:18 am

dsg2021 wrote:I've been very surprised by the fact that we do have some good 2/3's with accurate shooting in this draft. It genuinely feels like one of them will grow into NBA defense, raising their value by a ton. Or just carry their offense really, really well into the NBA.

Basically, I don't necessarily see like a Devin Booker or Donovan Mitchell, but one or two might be getting pretty close to it. And the players I'm talking about are Dick, Hawkins, Podziemski, Jett, Sensabaugh, maybe even 1-2 more.


Podziemski and Sensabaugh are the only two that I think could go get you a bucket, the others require the offense to get them the ball. As a team we should probably get better at running more action for 3pt shooters, but this team could really use a good pull up shooter. That’s Podz, Sensabaugh and Gradey.

Give me any of them and I’ll be happy.
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#26 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 9, 2023 11:19 am

#6 Black
#11 Coulibaly



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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#27 » by BlueBlazer » Fri Jun 9, 2023 11:26 am

deggett wrote:6. Cam Whitmore/Cason Wallace

11. Brice Sensabaugh/Gradey Dick

Finally some Sensabaugh love.. Guy is going to be good. Reminds me of Paul Pierce.
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#28 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 9, 2023 11:42 am

dsg2021 wrote:
Bensational wrote:My top 11
1. Wemby - the prize
2. Miller - easy fit with what we have, natural scorer.
3. Cason - elite defender with lead guard potential
4. Jalen Hood-Schifino - most complete game amongst guard prospects. No major holes. Has a Jamal Murray vibe.
5. Podziemski - has the scoring knack, could be like Desmond Bane.
6. Scoot - talent-wise would rank 3rd, but I don’t love his fit with us.
7. Amen - talent-wise would rank 4th. elite package but terrible fit for us.
8. Walker - the defender championship teams need
9. Gradey - more than just a shooter, could fit nicely within our offense taking shots or making passes.
10. Black - same weaknesses as Scoot/Amen and less upside than them, but I think his game is a safer bet and I could see him making that shot work.
11. Hendricks - modern 3&D guy


Best draft outcome -

One of Cason/JHS/Podz/Black

One of Hendricks/Gradey


I've been very surprised by the fact that we do have some good 2/3's with accurate shooting in this draft. It genuinely feels like one of them will grow into NBA defense, raising their value by a ton. Or just carry their offense really, really well into the NBA.

Basically, I don't necessarily see like a Devin Booker or Donovan Mitchell, but one or two might be getting pretty close to it. And the players I'm talking about are Dick, Hawkins, Podziemski, Jett, Sensabaugh, maybe even 1-2 more.

well, no one really did. otherwise they both wouldnt have been taken 13th in their respective drafts.
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#29 » by GatorbaitDD » Fri Jun 9, 2023 12:24 pm

I like a lot of the 4/3 (Whitmore/Walker/Hendricks) I just don't love spending #6 pick on a guy that can't consistently play next to Wagner/Banchero without someone sacrificing.

So it's...

#6 - Cason Wallace
#11 - Dick/Hawkins

#36 - Keyontae Johnson
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#30 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 9, 2023 12:59 pm

GatorbaitDD wrote:I like a lot of the 4/3 (Whitmore/Walker/Hendricks) I just don't love spending #6 pick on a guy that can't consistently play next to Wagner/Banchero without someone sacrificing.

So it's...

#6 - Cason Wallace
#11 - Dick/Hawkins

#36 - Keyontae Johnson

Whitmore could conceivably play SG. maybe if he gets under 230. but i dont really think he is the shooter we would need at that spot.
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Post#31 » by bigdogdylan5 » Fri Jun 9, 2023 1:01 pm

Big Board (This is heavily slanted on Magic Roster Context and needs to break ties so dont roast me )
1. Victor Wembanyama - Obvious
2. Scoot Henderson - Ceiling is obviously a dynamic point guard some concerns but worth the risk
3. Brandon Miller - He is the player everyone wants at the wing
4. Amen Thompson - He has the elite skill. I would consider blowing up our PG room for him. Extremely risky though
5. Cam Whitmore - I dont like this for us. We have our 3 and 4 long term I dont think he should play the 2 guard
6. Bilal Coulibaly - Big swing here your betting on his current improvement trajectory.
7. Ausar Thompson - Another big swing here but dont know how to evaluate. I am really hating that the twins did OTE
8. Keyonte George - No secret I love this guy. I think he is the perfect fit of a swing on what we need. He could be just an inefficient heater guy that is nothing more than a bench player
9. Taylor Hendricks - Safe will shoot and play defense. Will be in the league for a long time if he is healthy
10. Grady Dick - Safe but sneaky better than people think.
11. Kobe Bufkin - I really am high on Bufkin his scoring at the rim is elite. Hopefully it will translate have him lower because I am not convinced he is currently better than what we have in the guard room.

Omissions: I think Black and Walker are better than most people on this board but I don't think their ceiling are high enough to ignore fit and our needs. I do like Wallace but at 6'2" that really limits his NBA ceiling and makes him more Davion Mitchell then an elite two way player upside.

Magic Picks:
6. Bilal Coulibaly (I don't feel great about this at 6 but if we are considering Ausar. I would much rather have Coulibaly)
11. Grady Dick (Safe pick after a swing at 6. Meets a critical need and his ceiling is I think higher than most people think)
36. Best Shooter Ideally Brandin Podziemski or Tristan Vukcevic

My big thing I think is with our roster I want to take a big swing high upside for a 2/3 player and take one safe guy based on need.
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#32 » by GatorbaitDD » Fri Jun 9, 2023 1:20 pm

tiderulz wrote:
GatorbaitDD wrote:I like a lot of the 4/3 (Whitmore/Walker/Hendricks) I just don't love spending #6 pick on a guy that can't consistently play next to Wagner/Banchero without someone sacrificing.

So it's...

#6 - Cason Wallace
#11 - Dick/Hawkins

#36 - Keyontae Johnson

Whitmore could conceivably play SG. maybe if he gets under 230. but i dont really think he is the shooter we would need at that spot.

Again, maybe he can, but it’s not his natural fit so he would be sacrificing as I mentioned above.
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#33 » by eyriq » Fri Jun 9, 2023 1:27 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:Big Board (This is heavily slanted on Magic Roster Context and needs to break ties so dont roast me )
1. Victor Wembanyama - Obvious
2. Scoot Henderson - Ceiling is obviously a dynamic point guard some concerns but worth the risk
3. Brandon Miller - He is the player everyone wants at the wing
4. Amen Thompson - He has the elite skill. I would consider blowing up our PG room for him. Extremely risky though
5. Cam Whitmore - I dont like this for us. We have our 3 and 4 long term I dont think he should play the 2 guard
6. Bilal Coulibaly - Big swing here your betting on his current improvement trajectory.
7. Ausar Thompson - Another big swing here but dont know how to evaluate. I am really hating that the twins did OTE
8. Keyonte George - No secret I love this guy. I think he is the perfect fit of a swing on what we need. He could be just an inefficient heater guy that is nothing more than a bench player
9. Taylor Hendricks - Safe will shoot and play defense. Will be in the league for a long time if he is healthy
10. Grady Dick - Safe but sneaky better than people think.
11. Kobe Bufkin - I really am high on Bufkin his scoring at the rim is elite. Hopefully it will translate have him lower because I am not convinced he is currently better than what we have in the guard room.

Omissions: I think Black and Walker are better than most people on this board but I don't think their ceiling are high enough to ignore fit and our needs. I do like Wallace but at 6'2" that really limits his NBA ceiling and makes him more Davion Mitchell then an elite two way player upside.

Magic Picks:
6. Bilal Coulibaly (I don't feel great about this at 6 but if we are considering Ausar. I would much rather have Coulibaly)
11. Grady Dick (Safe pick after a swing at 6. Meets a critical need and his ceiling is I think higher than most people think)
36. Best Shooter Ideally Brandin Podziemski or Tristan Vukcevic

My big thing I think is with our roster I want to take a big swing high upside for a 2/3 player and take one safe guy based on need.


I love your love for our love, Keyonte. Coulibaly is so out of left field my brain hasn't caught up.
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#34 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 9, 2023 2:32 pm

GatorbaitDD wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
GatorbaitDD wrote:I like a lot of the 4/3 (Whitmore/Walker/Hendricks) I just don't love spending #6 pick on a guy that can't consistently play next to Wagner/Banchero without someone sacrificing.

So it's...

#6 - Cason Wallace
#11 - Dick/Hawkins

#36 - Keyontae Johnson

Whitmore could conceivably play SG. maybe if he gets under 230. but i dont really think he is the shooter we would need at that spot.

Again, maybe he can, but it’s not his natural fit so he would be sacrificing as I mentioned above.


Whitmore looks like an awesome physical specimen...but there's no indication he's a shooter, word is he's never considered passing (but maybe that wasn't his job?), and I'm not sure his style of bullying will translate to the NBA. I don't see him as a SG and I sure don't want to bank on telling an 18yo to get smaller...He could be Jimmy Butler, he could be Okoro, but I just don't see the fit and don't want to play someone out of his position if he's drafted that high.

*I have concerns about everyone at 6!!! :roll: (but I'm happy to have the pick)
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#35 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 9, 2023 2:34 pm

Skybox wrote:
GatorbaitDD wrote:
tiderulz wrote:Whitmore could conceivably play SG. maybe if he gets under 230. but i dont really think he is the shooter we would need at that spot.

Again, maybe he can, but it’s not his natural fit so he would be sacrificing as I mentioned above.


Whitmore looks like an awesome physical specimen...but there's no indication he's a shooter, word is he's never considered passing (but maybe that wasn't his job?), and I'm not sure his style of bullying will translate to the NBA. I don't see him as a SG and I sure don't want to bank on telling an 18yo to get smaller...He could be Jimmy Butler, he could be Okoro, but I just don't see the fit and don't want to play someone out of his position if he's drafted that high.

*I have concerns about everyone at 6!!! :roll: (but I'm happy to have the pick)

yeah, everyone in consideration for #6 has some warts
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#36 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 9, 2023 2:51 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Skybox wrote:
GatorbaitDD wrote:Again, maybe he can, but it’s not his natural fit so he would be sacrificing as I mentioned above.


Whitmore looks like an awesome physical specimen...but there's no indication he's a shooter, word is he's never considered passing (but maybe that wasn't his job?), and I'm not sure his style of bullying will translate to the NBA. I don't see him as a SG and I sure don't want to bank on telling an 18yo to get smaller...He could be Jimmy Butler, he could be Okoro, but I just don't see the fit and don't want to play someone out of his position if he's drafted that high.

*I have concerns about everyone at 6!!! :roll: (but I'm happy to have the pick)

yeah, everyone in consideration for #6 has some warts


There's so much at stake, in terms of the future success, profitability, merch, etc...if they nail this kind of decision (among a bunch of 18 year olds :o )..WOW...this is why they get the big bucks AND why they have no job security, even at the highest levels. Big Big summer for this "corporation".
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#37 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Jun 9, 2023 3:12 pm

MagicMatic wrote:My ideal draft:
#6 - Cam Whitmore
#11 - Cason Wallace
#34 - Brandin Podziemski/Bobi Klintman

Alternate:
#6 - Anthony Black
#11 - Gradey Dick or Jordan Hawkins
#34 - Tristan Vukcevic/ Jordan Walsh

BONUS (what will happen):
#6: Bilal Coulibaly
#11: Kobe Bufkin or Leonard Miller
#34: Traded for Apple Vision Pro


I didn't have Cam falling to us on my bingo card. What is your predicted top 5?
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Post#38 » by GANGSTERDOG » Fri Jun 9, 2023 3:45 pm

eyriq wrote:My top 11
1. Wemby - Looks legit
2. Scoot - love his strength, hand size, wing span, and ball control
3. Ausar - Love his physical tools, handle, defense, athleticism, and quiet personality. Will not rock the boat
4. Amen - Same as Ausar accept a bit more of a dominant personality
5. Miller - best college prospect, off court issues are scary
6. Keyonte - shades of Isaiah and Edwards, Big 12 ROY, fearless shooter
7. Gradey - shooter that can be effective on defense
8. Black - Great perimeter defender, strong, gets to the line, lead guard potential
9. Whitmore - Franz with better athleticism and much worse feel for the game
10. Cason - good defender with lead guard potential
11. Walker - versatile but undersized big

Best draft outcome

No. 6 Ausar
Great physical tools with guard skills, I buy the hype and upside
No. 11 Keyonte
Best SG in this draft, underrated playmaking, I believe in his shooting
No. 36 Trayce
Super productive and efficient big

Roster

Point guard: Fultz
Combo guard: Keyonte
Shooting guard: Suggs
Swing-man: Ausar
Small forward: Franz
Combo forward: JI
Power forward: Paolo
Combo big: Bol (I prefer Moritz but he's a free agent)
Quick center: WCJ
Power center: Goga


Literally exactly how I feel, it's crazy. I do feel Black will be a top 6 player in this draft though. He just needs the opportunity and I doubt alot of teams will give it to him. Hope he goes to the Wizards or Jazz

Wouldn't mind 11th with Sensabaugh or Coulibaly tho
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Re: Your best draft day scenario (no trades) 

Post#39 » by VFX » Fri Jun 9, 2023 4:39 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:My ideal draft:
#6 - Cam Whitmore
#11 - Cason Wallace
#34 - Brandin Podziemski/Bobi Klintman

Alternate:
#6 - Anthony Black
#11 - Gradey Dick or Jordan Hawkins
#34 - Tristan Vukcevic/ Jordan Walsh

BONUS (what will happen):
#6: Bilal Coulibaly
#11: Kobe Bufkin or Leonard Miller
#34: Traded for Apple Vision Pro


I didn't have Cam falling to us on my bingo card. What is your predicted top 5?


1 - Wemby
2 - Miller
3 - Scoot
4 - A Thompson
5 - A Thompson / Jerace Walker

I see both Thompsons going before Cam. Detroit could also take Walker and it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post#40 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 9, 2023 5:06 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:My ideal draft:
#6 - Cam Whitmore
#11 - Cason Wallace
#34 - Brandin Podziemski/Bobi Klintman

Alternate:
#6 - Anthony Black
#11 - Gradey Dick or Jordan Hawkins
#34 - Tristan Vukcevic/ Jordan Walsh

BONUS (what will happen):
#6: Bilal Coulibaly
#11: Kobe Bufkin or Leonard Miller
#34: Traded for Apple Vision Pro


I didn't have Cam falling to us on my bingo card. What is your predicted top 5?


1 - Wemby
2 - Miller
3 - Scoot
4 - A Thompson
5 - A Thompson / Jerace Walker

I see both Thompsons going before Cam. Detroit could also take Walker and it wouldn't surprise me.
I think it'll be the opposite, and neither Thompson will go in the top 5.

Wembanyama
Miller
Scoot
Cam
Jarace
Black
Hendricks
Wallace
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