Brandon Miller - Alabama

[deepeeenn]

Low release point is meaningless. Plenty of great shooters have had low releases, Haliburton, Kevin Martin.

I can’t remember KMarts game enough to know how well he faired in the midrange, I do remember his shot being very unorthodox.

That said, look at Tyrese Haliburton’s shot chart. Look at the volume he shoots from three and how little he actually shoots in the midrange. My guess is that he knows it’s much harder for him to shoot his shot in the midrange because of the time midrange shots are shot off the dribble, unless you’re a big.

We’re all just making educated guesses. I could be wrong, the extra space in the NBA could give Miller enough room for him to get his shot off as is in the midrange because it is relatively compact shot but I don’t really like the form coupled with other factors of his. I think he’s being overrated because he fits this prototypical physical profile we’ve all been told NBA teams want and has a modicum of skill for his size.

[deepeeenn]

Low release point is meaningless. Plenty of great shooters have had low releases, Haliburton, Kevin Martin.

It's not meaningless if you have no ability to create separation for yourself. Miller doesn't get his shot off against length and doesn't have anything else to get himself free.

So tired of the Miller is 6'9 argument. Nothing about this dude is a wing. just a PF with a little bit of wiggle

I hate this idea that every 6'9 guy is a PF now no he's a sf.

Yeah, I’m not a fan of him but even I know he’s not a PF. His game is definitely more modern day 3. SMH

[deepeeenn]

Low release point is meaningless. Plenty of great shooters have had low releases, Haliburton, Kevin Martin.

i wouldn't say it's entirely meaningless in general, but you can overcome the low release point with height (which he has for his position in spades) and a quick release which he has as well. bottom line, he never had trouble getting his shot and won't in the nba. a non issue for b miller specifically.

Low release point is not meaningless. And height doesn’t directly overcome it either because length, which the NBA will have in spades, mitigates shooters with low release points. On a slightly different note, I don’t even know if remember what Miller shooting a fadeaway mid range jumper looks like. He has not done well against length most the year. The only thing potentially saving him here is the spacing of the NBA.

[Big J]

His form actually looks a lot like JJJ’s form, and he doesn’t seem to have issues getting it off.

[deepeeenn]

His form actually looks a lot like JJJ’s form, and he doesn’t seem to have issues getting it off.

I’ve actually made that comparison before, I think it’s not a bad one, although it sometimes looks like JJJ shoots alittle more with two hands. But being as tall as he is, he does have trouble with length and strong close outs. He doesn’t shoot much in the midrange either. And I acknowledge that it’s one of the best defenders in the league and arguably one of the best in the post season but he absolutely had trouble shooting around AD in that series. JJJ is often hesitant to shoot his shot in games. His shot chart is proof he’s selective with where he shoots. He does not shoot in the midrange, he basically shoots in the paint, top, wing, and corner 3s. With his wing threes being the most volume and most successful.

[HiDef]

It's not meaningless if you have no ability to create separation for yourself. Miller doesn't get his shot off against length and doesn't have anything else to get himself free.

So tired of the Miller is 6'9 argument. Nothing about this dude is a wing. just a PF with a little bit of wiggle

I hate this idea that every 6'9 guy is a PF now no he's a sf.

Yeah, I’m not a fan of him but even I know he’s not a PF. His game is definitely more modern day 3. SMH

Don't care about arguing over positions, but we can just add Miller to the list of PFs who got treated like they were "unicorns" for doing a bad impression of a wing.

When you look at what he's actually good at, he's a PF.

[azcatz11]

Honestly what is the difference between Jordan Miller and Brandon Miller? Jordan looked better than Brandon the back half of the year and is a better athlete

[K_chile22]

His form actually looks a lot like JJJ’s form, and he doesn’t seem to have issues getting it off.

JJJ is often guarded by bigs who are slower on close outs and measured 6'9.75 barefoot with a 7'5 wingspan. Not really comparable. Miller is probably, at the very least, two inches shorter with much shorter arms

[Colbinii]

Nothing like citing 3-non-all-star offensive players [Haliburton will get there, but he is much better on-ball as a space creator] in Haliburton, JJJ and Martin and explain away his release point.

His low-release point is a hindrance and is a reason to not be in love with Miller. He very may well over-come this issue, just as scoot may very well over-come his 3P shooting but to say it isn't an issue is exactly my point about being biased towards certain prospects.

[clyde21]

i mean, if Miller is JJJ offensively he's effectively failed lol, JJJ is on the court b/c of his defense, not offense.

[BostonCouchGM]

NBA teams all want guys like him, MPJ, Isaac, Bridges, Jerami Grant, Siakam, Jabari Smith, etc and he does have a similar game to them. He'll defend, run the floor, and shoot open threes from Day 1. Tatum is more of a 3 like Banchero, that handles the ball, initiates and can score on all three levels. Miller isn't that. Maybe down the road he can develop other parts of his game but honestly, how many of his ilk do?

Hornets can't draft Scoot unless Melo is getting traded. I just find it hard to believe they would trade their biggest star even if it's the best course of action. If they're sticking with Melo then I can understand why Miller might go #2 though as he'd be a perfect fit with that roster and is exactly what they need. Hence the rumors he's going #2. It wouldn't be my choice but I wouldn't hate it

This is nonsense.

reeeeee. Except for the part where neither can play off ball and won't compliment each other you're absolutely right

[MemphisX]

NBA teams all want guys like him, MPJ, Isaac, Bridges, Jerami Grant, Siakam, Jabari Smith, etc and he does have a similar game to them. He'll defend, run the floor, and shoot open threes from Day 1. Tatum is more of a 3 like Banchero, that handles the ball, initiates and can score on all three levels. Miller isn't that. Maybe down the road he can develop other parts of his game but honestly, how many of his ilk do?

Hornets can't draft Scoot unless Melo is getting traded. I just find it hard to believe they would trade their biggest star even if it's the best course of action. If they're sticking with Melo then I can understand why Miller might go #2 though as he'd be a perfect fit with that roster and is exactly what they need. Hence the rumors he's going #2. It wouldn't be my choice but I wouldn't hate it

This is nonsense.

reeeeee. Except for the part where neither can play off ball and won't compliment each other you're absolutely right

So Lamelo has been able to play all this time with Terry Rozier but somehow he can't play with a ball handler who is an infinitely better distributor...yeah ok. The whole notion is silly.

[vincecarter4pres]

This is nonsense.

reeeeee. Except for the part where neither can play off ball and won't compliment each other you're absolutely right

So Lamelo has been able to play all this time with Terry Rozier but somehow he can't play with a ball handler who is an infinitely better distributor...yeah ok. The whole notion is silly.

Can they play together? For sure.

Will it be ideal in the long run? Debatable.

But I’m with you, you absolutely still take the bpa and disregard fit at the 2nd overall pick, meaning imho, Scoot, then see how they work for a couple seasons and worst case, make a decision then and get a boatload of assets or a different great player in trade for one of them.

[Colbinii]

i mean, if Miller is JJJ offensively he's effectively failed lol, JJJ is on the court b/c of his defense, not offense.

Even if he is just a bigger Kevin Martin Jr he has failed.

I think he will be closer to a larger Kevin Martin Jr than he will Paul George or Jayson Tatum.

[Big J]

i mean, if Miller is JJJ offensively he's effectively failed lol, JJJ is on the court b/c of his defense, not offense.

Even if he is just a bigger Kevin Martin Jr he has failed.

I think he will be closer to a larger Kevin Martin Jr than he will Paul George or Jayson Tatum.

Kevin Martin and Danny Granger didn’t have the same passing ability as Miller. Miller will probably average 7-8 dimes at his peak.

[K_chile22]

i mean, if Miller is JJJ offensively he's effectively failed lol, JJJ is on the court b/c of his defense, not offense.

Even if he is just a bigger Kevin Martin Jr he has failed.

I think he will be closer to a larger Kevin Martin Jr than he will Paul George or Jayson Tatum.

At the very least I feel confident saying he will be more fun to watch than Kevin Martin for whatever that is worth

[Colbinii]

i mean, if Miller is JJJ offensively he's effectively failed lol, JJJ is on the court b/c of his defense, not offense.

Even if he is just a bigger Kevin Martin Jr he has failed.

I think he will be closer to a larger Kevin Martin Jr than he will Paul George or Jayson Tatum.

At the very least I feel confident saying he will be more fun to watch than Kevin Martin for whatever that is worth

Wow. Kevin Martin had one of the most bland games for a guard, didn't he?

I just remembered back to his Minnesota days.

[Hal14]

I hate this idea that every 6'9 guy is a PF now no he's a sf.

Yeah, I’m not a fan of him but even I know he’s not a PF. His game is definitely more modern day 3. SMH

Don't care about arguing over positions, but we can just add Miller to the list of PFs who got treated like they were "unicorns" for doing a bad impression of a wing.

When you look at what he's actually good at, he's a PF.

The way he was used at Bama this season is the way the Celtics use Tatum.

From a positional standpoint, the guys Miller plays like: Tatum, Paul George, KD, Brandon Ingram, Franz Wagner, Rashard Lewis. If we loosen the criteria, you might include guys like Jaylen Brown, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi, OG, Michael Porter. Pretty much all of these guys are more of a SF than a PF.

[deepeeenn]

Don't care about arguing over positions, but we can just add Miller to the list of PFs who got treated like they were "unicorns" for doing a bad impression of a wing.

When you look at what he's actually good at, he's a PF.

We don’t have to argue but I personally don’t see what makes him a PF based on his skillset. Traditional or modern day PF. What is he good at that makes him a PF? I do understand that the forward positions are starting to blend a little more together but he has forward size with respectable handle that largely plays on the perimeter. Has some self creation and some guard skills. He rebounds well for his position which you could argue is a PF or front court thing. I just don’t see how you can outright call him a PF. I personally don’t understand this.

I’m not sure which PFs you’d compare him to because most of his comps have been SFs.

[deepeeenn]

i mean, if Miller is JJJ offensively he's effectively failed lol, JJJ is on the court b/c of his defense, not offense.

Even if he is just a bigger Kevin Martin Jr he has failed.

I think he will be closer to a larger Kevin Martin Jr than he will Paul George or Jayson Tatum.

Kevin Martin and Danny Granger didn’t have the same passing ability as Miller. Miller will probably average 7-8 dimes at his peak.

It is incredibly hard for a non-primary ball handler to average 7-8 assists. So unless you expect him to be the primary ball handler or a hub in the offense, it’s just not likely he’ll average that many assists a season in his career. For reference, there were only 12 qualified players in the league this year that averaged 7+ assists per game. All were PGs except for two, the two were Jokic and Sabonis and their role in their offenses is similar. Though, BBRef considers Luka a PG. #13 on that list averaged 6.8/game, is the only forward close to 7/game and that was Draymond and we all know how he’s used in that offense. Right now, Miller has not shown to have that level of passing frequency to be labeled a PG or plays the type of role like either Jokic, Sabonis or Draymond.

Miller’s Assist average was 2.1/game over 37 games in college with a 12.9% Assist Rate. His career high is 5 which he only did 3 times.
Then watching his game, it really isn’t his style to be a pass first player. It just not likely based on the way he plays the he’ll average 7-8 even at his “peak”. Just because he gets often compared to him, PG13’s season career high is 5.7/game where he had an assist rate of 28.1%.