Just Run It Back

[Fierce1]

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I remember in 2014 people wanted the Warriors to trade Klay Thompson because they just didn’t have what it takes to get over the Clippers and take the next step.

Now granted they were a bit younger and I’m not saying we are the Warriors in waiting, but winning a title isn’t easy and multiple failures is very normal in todays NBA. The league is every even up top so failures are normal as for top teams.

Unless you can get someone better than Brown for example trading him just makes no sense at this moment.

Right on the money!

A lot of Celtic fans here think the Cs are trading Jaylen.

That's not something Brad will do.

Might as well trade Jayson and Jaylen for the #1 pick and the Celtics start all over again and build around Wemby.

[BostonCouchGM]

Regular season: 2nd best offense in league, 2nd best defence in league.
Playoffs: 10th out 16 teams defensively, 6th out of 16 teams offensively.
What caused this large gap?

Literally the Miami series and their scrubs shooting .434 from the three over a 7 game series.
We held the Sixers to .551 TS% and 110.2 ORtg. Atlanta to 115.5 ORtg and .558 TS%.
Miami had .587 TS% and 118.3 ORtg despite Jimmy being held to .519 TS% and Bam to .538.

I agree, Miami was on fire. But our offense was garbage too. We still should have won this series comfortably and we should have cleaned up Philly and ATL easier too.

What happened that made us suck so badly all playoffs?

our two stars chased personal accolades (all-nba, all-star) which caused them to play heavy minutes. Instead of getting rest and taking it easy for the all-star break they both played full games and chased MVP. Tired legs means less effort on defense and shooting off. I warned about this heading into the playoffs and was scoffed at by the usual suspects on here. Well, that's exactly what happened. We were tired and our two stars weren't as good on either end. We should have beaten the Hawks and Sixers in 5 games at most. Instead, a 6 game series with the Hawks, left us that much more tired heading into the Sixers series. Then the 7 game series with them left us absolutely gassed going into the Miami series which is why we lost early. Good coaching and some pride got us to win a few games but all that energy after all those minutes and game caught up with us and we couldn't get it done. Maybe next year the Jays can be unselfish and leave some energy for the playoffs. Hopefully Brad gives Joe the power to control that situation so he limits their minutes.

[chrisab123]

Literally the Miami series and their scrubs shooting .434 from the three over a 7 game series.
We held the Sixers to .551 TS% and 110.2 ORtg. Atlanta to 115.5 ORtg and .558 TS%.
Miami had .587 TS% and 118.3 ORtg despite Jimmy being held to .519 TS% and Bam to .538.

I agree, Miami was on fire. But our offense was garbage too. We still should have won this series comfortably and we should have cleaned up Philly and ATL easier too.

What happened that made us suck so badly all playoffs?

our two stars chased personal accolades (all-nba, all-star) which caused them to play heavy minutes. Instead of getting rest and taking it easy for the all-star break they both played full games and chased MVP. Tired legs means less effort on defense and shooting off. I warned about this heading into the playoffs and was scoffed at by the usual suspects on here. Well, that's exactly what happened. We were tired and our two stars weren't as good on either end. We should have beaten the Hawks and Sixers in 5 games at most. Instead, a 6 game series with the Hawks, left us that much more tired heading into the Sixers series. Then the 7 game series with them left us absolutely gassed going into the Miami series which is why we lost early. Good coaching and some pride got us to win a few games but all that energy after all those minutes and game caught up with us and we couldn't get it done. Maybe next year the Jays can be unselfish and leave some energy for the playoffs. Hopefully Brad gives Joe the power to control that situation so he limits their minutes.

You're still on the All Star Game crap? Tatum playing in a glorified exhibition did not change what he was going to do in the playoffs. Its the equivalent to a charity flag football event. Brown's lack of dribbling to the left side also had nothing to do with playing in one exhibition game. Then again, Joe was the coach in the All Star Game. Maybe that's why he didn't call timeouts in the first 3 games of the ECF. Clearly coaching in that game tired him so much.

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Absent a miracle Miami comeback, the Cs are still the most accomplished team in the East over the past 2 seasons.

And indeed in the league overall except for the 2 champions from the West.

[JaMarco]

Absent a miracle Miami comeback, the Cs are still the most accomplished team in the East over the past 2 seasons.

And indeed in the league overall except for the 2 champions from the West.

Yea that's why they are going to just run it back and hope for continued growth from the Js and better health in the playoffs.

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Absent a miracle Miami comeback, the Cs are still the most accomplished team in the East over the past 2 seasons.

And indeed in the league overall except for the 2 champions from the West.

Yea that's why they are going to just run it back and hope for continued growth from the Js and better health in the playoffs.

And more effective coaching.

[sam_I_am]

1. Celtics were 3-1 against the Heat over final 4 games. You can’t discount that.
2. Brogdon injury made him a huge negative in this series. Joe should have benched him sooner. That said, even when healthy he didn’t really fit despite his great season. Should we cut bait or hope he has a second season revival like White?
3. Joe was out coached so badly in games 1 and 2. He led the team to a game 7 after going down 0-3 and overall outperformed expectations. That said, he has to be much better next season. Does he have the personality to keep the players believing in him or will his act wear thin soon?
4. Al Horford has been so important the past 2 years but he is declining rapidly. What can we do about it?
5. The team needs tweaking. Last year our team was taylor made for winning but the rule changes on defense changed that dynamic. We need more shooters to step up.

[JaMarco]

2. Brogdon injury made him a huge negative in this series. Joe should have benched him sooner. That said, even when healthy he didn’t really fit despite his great season.

This is complete revisionist history. Literally no one said Brogdon didn't fit before the Heat series.

[GoGreen]

Ime really screwed us, whatever he did. Then Brad with the icing on the cake hiring a coach in Joe who was in over his head. Imo I don't think the team ever recovered from losing their HC.

I would've really liked to have seen what a second year of Udoka couldve done for this team. They played their best stretch of ball under him and took the Warriors to 6 games in the finals. Granted, they still had issues, but another year under someone they respect and admire? I wonder if there would have been some growth. Sounds like they were flying by the seat of their pants for most this year with Joe at the helm. These guys need a leader bad.

But unfortunately, running it back is prob the most likely scenario. Most trades I'm seeing don't seem to make this team better at all imo, just fun stuff to throw around.

[Fierce1]

Brogdon won 6th man of the year and made big shots before the Miami series.

So saying Brogs didn't fit in is just not accurate.

[Parliament10]

Brogdon won 6th man of the year and made big shots before the Miami series.

So saying Brogs didn't fit in is just not accurate.

Brogdon is definitely a good player.
But, we do have to factor in his injury history.

[Parliament10]

1. Celtics were 3-1 against the Heat over final 4 games. You can’t discount that.
2. Brogdon injury made him a huge negative in this series. Joe should have benched him sooner. That said, even when healthy he didn’t really fit despite his great season. Should we cut bait or hope he has a second season revival like White?
3. Joe was out coached so badly in games 1 and 2. He led the team to a game 7 after going down 0-3 and overall outperformed expectations. That said, he has to be much better next season. Does he have the personality to keep the players believing in him or will his act wear thin soon?
4. Al Horford has been so important the past 2 years but he is declining rapidly. What can we do about it?
5. The team needs tweaking. Last year our team was taylor made for winning but the rule changes on defense changed that dynamic. We need more shooters to step up.

We need a new Starter in Horford's place. -- And, Bring Al off the Bench. -- That should extend his playing career, a bit.
Also, we still need someone competent, off the Bench behind Brown and Tatum.

[JaMarco]

Brogdon won 6th man of the year and made big shots before the Miami series.

So saying Brogs didn't fit in is just not accurate.

Brogdon is definitely a good player.
But, we do have to factor in his injury history.

He had an injury history when they traded for him, what's changed? Jamal Murry has a huge injury history, should Denver have gotten rid of him?

[Triple7]

1. Celtics were 3-1 against the Heat over final 4 games. You can’t discount that.
2. Brogdon injury made him a huge negative in this series. Joe should have benched him sooner. That said, even when healthy he didn’t really fit despite his great season. Should we cut bait or hope he has a second season revival like White?
3. Joe was out coached so badly in games 1 and 2. He led the team to a game 7 after going down 0-3 and overall outperformed expectations. That said, he has to be much better next season. Does he have the personality to keep the players believing in him or will his act wear thin soon?
4. Al Horford has been so important the past 2 years but he is declining rapidly. What can we do about it?
5. The team needs tweaking. Last year our team was taylor made for winning but the rule changes on defense changed that dynamic. We need more shooters to step up.

You want our team to keep chucking 3’s?
That’s why we lose to every team good or bad, because when our shooting is off, we have nothing. In the regular season, we play 10-11 guys. PP, hauser, grant and muscala are probably our best shooters, and we beat other teams bench when it comes to shooting, but they don’t get to play in the playoffs. We are left with awful shooters in brown and smart. Non shooter in Rob. Tatum, horf and brogdon are inconsistent to bad the whole series. We can’t win games if we rely too much on chucking 3’s, and the players we have playing aren’t really that good in shooting. Something needs to change next season.

[Parliament10]

Brogdon won 6th man of the year and made big shots before the Miami series.

So saying Brogs didn't fit in is just not accurate.

Brogdon is definitely a good player.
But, we do have to factor in his injury history.

He had an injury history when they traded for him, what's changed? Jamal Murry has a huge injury history, should Denver have gotten rid of him?

Time changes all. Injuries pile up. Just something to consider, going forward.
But, you don't have to be so point-counterpoint in all your posts.

[steefP2]

Brogdon is definitely a good player.
But, we do have to factor in his injury history.

He had an injury history when they traded for him, what's changed? Jamal Murry has a huge injury history, should Denver have gotten rid of him?

Time changes all. Injuries pile up. Just something to consider, going forward.
But, you don't have to be so point-counterpoint in all your posts.

I’m sorry; is not not a forum ? Isn’t the point to have back and forths between various posters wherein each states its position and refutes the other (if they disagree). Is this a mod saying not to talk back ?

[JT7uice18]

Ope

[sam_I_am]

2. Brogdon injury made him a huge negative in this series. Joe should have benched him sooner. That said, even when healthy he didn’t really fit despite his great season.

This is complete revisionist history. Literally no one said Brogdon didn't fit before the Heat series.

Let’s be clear - I never said it but many others did. Many called him a ball stopper and I made excuses for his poor on/off numbers because he played with second unit. As a huge fan of his acquisition, I glossed over his low % finishing at the rim because of his awesome 3 pt shooting which vanished after forearm tear.

[sam_I_am]

1. Celtics were 3-1 against the Heat over final 4 games. You can’t discount that.
2. Brogdon injury made him a huge negative in this series. Joe should have benched him sooner. That said, even when healthy he didn’t really fit despite his great season. Should we cut bait or hope he has a second season revival like White?
3. Joe was out coached so badly in games 1 and 2. He led the team to a game 7 after going down 0-3 and overall outperformed expectations. That said, he has to be much better next season. Does he have the personality to keep the players believing in him or will his act wear thin soon?
4. Al Horford has been so important the past 2 years but he is declining rapidly. What can we do about it?
5. The team needs tweaking. Last year our team was taylor made for winning but the rule changes on defense changed that dynamic. We need more shooters to step up.

You want our team to keep chucking 3’s?
That’s why we lose to every team good or bad, because when our shooting is off, we have nothing. In the regular season, we play 10-11 guys. PP, hauser, grant and muscala are probably our best shooters, and we beat other teams bench when it comes to shooting, but they don’t get to play in the playoffs. We are left with awful shooters in brown and smart. Non shooter in Rob. Tatum, horf and brogdon are inconsistent to bad the whole series. We can’t win games if we rely too much on chucking 3’s, and the players we have playing aren’t really that good in shooting. Something needs to change next season.

Miami killed us by chucking 3s. Denver is in finals because they are great at chucking 3s. If you think we go far changing our play so that Rob, Al, JB, Smart can pass up 3s to drive instead we will lose by 30 in the play-in round.

Mainly, the team needs to get better at generating quality shots. Better playmaking means getting into actions quickly like Denver is doing instead of hesitating and dribbling until there are 6 sec on shot clock. Our shooters are actually good enough when the team plays the right way. However, we need a Hauser, Gallo or Grant …. or a new acquisition …. who can play 32 min in a playoff game and not be a liability.

[Parliament10]

He had an injury history when they traded for him, what's changed? Jamal Murry has a huge injury history, should Denver have gotten rid of him?

Time changes all. Injuries pile up. Just something to consider, going forward.
But, you don't have to be so point-counterpoint in all your posts.

I’m sorry; is not not a forum ? Isn’t the point to have back and forths between various posters wherein each states its position and refutes the other (if they disagree). Is this a mod saying not to talk back ?

Stay out of it.
Mods know what they're doing, without your help.

~ Parl