Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[zoyathedestroya]

Get KAT. Bring in KG and McHale as his mentors on top of Horford. Turn him into an MVP candidate.

[165bows]

Compar83ng scoot to davidson is **** dumb.

What’s dumber, comparing them or not comparing them?

[165bows]

I could 100% see KAT for #4, Jalen Green and pieces from Houston. Houston seems poised for win now moves and Minnesota has salary issues and could use multiple cheap young guys that have some upside.

Match made in heaven.

[Hal14]

There is zero way Washington does that. Brogdon is not a commodity anymore. He looked old, slow, and injured in the playoffs.

Thats because he was injured.....

Ok but that's usually how player values go...they're judged on how they look the last time they played, injury or no injury.

No team is giving up two under-24yo players for what looks like a broke down 30 year old.

Yup. Teams don't trade a pair of talented 24 yr olds for broken down 30 yr olds - especially teams who are on the verge of a big rebuild:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271840/Rival-Execs-Expect-Wizards-To-Engage-In-Full-Rebuild-Under-Michael-Winger

[Andrew McCeltic]

If KAT can be had without Brown, you pursue that trade relentlessly.

I would almost do Brown for kat just to shake things up. But kat is more of a good in theory player than good in practice

What happened to him? He never really grew defensively but I think he’s probably undervalued right now and a smart “buy low”, especially since Minnesota is a mess. He’d be great in the right situation.

[Hal14]

If KAT can be had without Brown, you pursue that trade relentlessly.

I would almost do Brown for kat just to shake things up. But kat is more of a good in theory player than good in practice

What happened to him? He never really grew defensively but I think he’s probably undervalued right now and a smart “buy low”, especially since Minnesota is a mess. He’d be great in the right situation.

Too injury prone. Not a good defender. Lacks toughness/grit/competitive drive.

On a supermax contract, so would be challenging to have him on the same team with Tatum and have enough $ to pay enough good players around them.

And we'd have to trade JB to get him. But that might not be a good trade, for reasons mentioned above. Plus, MIN probably says no, since they probably wouldn't want to build around Edwards + JB, 2 players who are far too similar to each other.

[GoGreen]

KAT for Brown? Idk man. Doesn't he have toughness issues or am I wrong on that? Because last thing this team needs is another whiny baby

[Darthlukey]

KAT for Brown? Idk man. Doesn't he have toughness issues or am I wrong on that? Because last thing this team needs is another whiny baby

100% agree, I guess I'm feeling change for the sake of change

[celticgreenie]

I'd take KAT over brown in a heartbeat. The former is a highly skilled big man and the latter is still a work in progress especially as it relates to his handles and going left. Celtics high post play involving a big man would be unlocked even more with KAT playing role as facilitator.

[fallguy]

Kat is pretty bad. Terrible BBIQ. Impetuous on the offensive end. Slow feet and tricky to pair with another big generally.

You get all that for the price of a supermax.

[GoGreen]

It sucks to say but I don't see anything out there I like very much. No matter what trade is made it feels like the Cs won't get any better, at least not with the guys I've seen thrown around.

[cl2117]

KAT ain't got that dog in him. I think that's what Jimmy Butler called out in his time in Minnesota.

I'd still take him over Dame or Beal because I feel like positionally he's a better fit/ pairing for our roster/Tatum and in terms of age he lines up much better, but I'm not as excited about it as I once was. On the positive side I think he will still put up numbers and retain his value if you want to shake things up again in 2-3 years time (which is my main worry with the likes of Lillard and Beal who feel like they're the equivalent of pushing all our chips in now), but does KAT'S lack of defense and durability end up keeping us falling short?

Unless a wildcard option gets revealed that isn't currently being discussed it feels like running it back with Brown is absolutely the best course. We've been so close, I don't think we're fundamentally flawed, but just need the right tweaks and breaks our way.

The only option that's somewhat appealing to me right now is #3 and Simons if Miller doesn't go to Charlotte at #2. I know competing teams don't trade all-nba talent for lottery picks historically, but the new CBA changes the landscape a bit. Getting a rookie scale guy with crazy upside as well as a solid known quantity playoff rotation piece is a nice haul.

Miller reminds of Tatum somewhat, both often compared to Paul George/ Danny Granger coming out of college. Not the most explosive guys, but great size, already can shoot really well and have defensive chops. Miller is the lesser prospect but having two of those archetypes on the roster is massively appealing to me. If he doesn't develop then it's a massive loss, so obviously a risk, but if he does then it could set us up for the future better than you could ever imagine.

[Fierce1]

Only reason why KAT and Ayton are available is because they have underperformed.

If both those guys had great seasons last season, they wouldn't be a available and the Celtics will not be able to afford them.

So this is a great opportunity to land one of them because their trade value is lower right now.

[Fierce1]

If the Celtics are really playing it safe then at least get Olynyk.

The Celts really need a big who can score inside.

What made the Miami zone so great against the Celtics was even if the Heat guards were guarding Al or Rob, the Celtics couldn't capitalize on that mismatch.

Against the Nuggets, every time a smaller Heat player was switched on Jokic, Jokic would pound the ball inside and score.

Having a quality big man allows the Celtics to have multiple points of attack.

Right now the Celtic offense is too predictable.

[GoGreen]

KAT ain't got that dog in him. I think that's what Jimmy Butler called out in his time in Minnesota.

I'd still take him over Dame or Beal because I feel like positionally he's a better fit/ pairing for our roster/Tatum and in terms of age he lines up much better, but I'm not as excited about it as I once was. On the positive side I think he will still put up numbers and retain his value if you want to shake things up again in 2-3 years time (which is my main worry with the likes of Lillard and Beal who feel like they're the equivalent of pushing all our chips in now), but does KAT'S lack of defense and durability end up keeping us falling short?

Unless a wildcard option gets revealed that isn't currently being discussed it feels like running it back with Brown is absolutely the best course. We've been so close, I don't think we're fundamentally flawed, but just need the right tweaks and breaks our way.

The only option that's somewhat appealing to me right now is #3 and Simons if Miller doesn't go to Charlotte at #2. I know competing teams don't trade all-nba talent for lottery picks historically, but the new CBA changes the landscape a bit. Getting a rookie scale guy with crazy upside as well as a solid known quantity playoff rotation piece is a nice haul.

Miller reminds of Tatum somewhat, both often compared to Paul George/ Danny Granger coming out of college. Not the most explosive guys, but great size, already can shoot really well and have defensive chops. Miller is the lesser prospect but having two of those archetypes on the roster is massively appealing to me. If he doesn't develop then it's a massive loss, so obviously a risk, but if he does then it could set us up for the future better than you could ever imagine.

Of all the trades out there, Simons and 3 for JB is probably the one that makes the most sense. Get a quality, lights out shooter and draft a future star to pair with JT, or maybe trade it for someone.

[flintsky21]

JB for KAT is a definite upgrade. KAT is a much better shooter (arguably the best shooting big in the NBA today), much better playmaker (averaged close to 5 assists last year), and much better rebounder (filling a huge need for this team). He also gives you the type of post presence that Tatum has never ever had in his entire career. And while JB is seen as a redundancy with Tatum, KAT becomes a significant upgrade in a weaker position. You're giving up something on defense but all the stuff he brings on offense (and the rebounding) hopefully more than makes up for it. If Denver and Sacramento can be above average defensive teams with Jokic and Sabonis in the middle, there's no reason the Celtics can't make it work with a guy like Towns.

JB's value is probably not gonna get higher coming of an All-NBA, All-Star season. I bet most of those who voted him to be 2nd team All-NBA are already having voter's remorse after seeing him in the playoffs, and he's only gonna continue to be exposed from hereon out for what every Celtics fan has always know about him as a player --- a high usage scorer with below average handles and tunnel vision. At least there are still teams that are enamored by the accolades and reputation for now, and while I'm on the "take what you can for JB" camp, you can do a lot worse than swapping him for KAT.

And I don't buy the notion that we have to seek out the "perfect" big for the Celtics system, which is a rim-protecting, switchable stretch big, and that until we can find one, we're going to ride with Horford. Al averaged 6.7 points on 29% 3pt shooting in 30 mpg in the playoffs. The Heat couldn't even be bothered to guard him. If he's still our main big on opening night, I'm literally gonna throw up.

And there's Rob, who at 25 still seemingly continues to live off his "potential." We've been holding onto the "if he's healthy, he can be one of the absolute best bigs in the league" narrative for the last 3 years. And there's the fact that I don't think Joe trusts him enough to be a 30 mpg center. Heck he isn't even finishing games where Horford was 1-7 from the field.

We can talk about everything we'd be giving up defensively with KAT, but it's not like we're shutting teams down with Al and Rob anyway. At this point, swapping JB for any other 20 ppg scorer that doesn't turn the ball over nearly as much is already an upgrade.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The nice thing about our current front-court is that any of them could play next to KAT and mitigate his weakness on defense. You could play him with a healthy Rob, or next to Al, or with Grant.

[Asian Celtic]

I'm not sold on KAT. But he's the best single asset available that is a position of need, if Brad decideds to get him for brown then i'm all up for it.

Keep Tatum,l and smart, everyone else is fair game.

[Larry_Russell]

Let me get this straight.

Signing brown to supermax is bad
Trading brown for youth with loads of potential is bad
Trading brown for other star players that might be available is bad

[JustBuzzin]

Let me get this straight.

Signing brown to supermax is bad
Trading brown for youth with loads of potential is bad
Trading brown for other star players that might be available is bad

Can he dribble tho?