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Post#1661 » by MoeGreene » Mon Jun 5, 2023 1:31 am

Sam Cassell is now with the Celtics.
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Post#1662 » by Iverson Armband » Mon Jun 5, 2023 2:06 am

MoeGreene wrote:Sam Cassell is now with the Celtics.

Smart move. He knows he’s next up after the inevitable Mazzulla firing in year or two.
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Post#1663 » by Eyeamok » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:01 am

Houston is supposed to snatch 3 of the Celtics assistant coaches. Boston basically hires Sam as a coach in waiting, iMO, if Joe's messes up. Sam has a lot of experience and he's won championships. Damn Joe is really on the hot seat in Boston. Yes good opportunity for Sam.
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Post#1664 » by Skates » Mon Jun 5, 2023 3:10 am

I forgot Sam won a ring playing for Doc on that Celtics team. He is definitely there to be Mazzulla’s right hand man, but if Mazzula gets fired at some point Sam’s chances are better if it happens in season and he proves himself. With an offseason firing they might pivot to someone with head coaching experience after Mazzula.
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Post#1665 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 5, 2023 4:09 am

I feel like being an interim head coach is a miserable way to become a HC. You have to outplay expectations and even then, you’re on thin ice. I think Cassell is doing this move because Doc was his guy and the Celtics are still a great situation.
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Post#1666 » by GoSixersBro » Mon Jun 5, 2023 8:30 pm

Boston likely blew their you know what. I am not expecting better of this squad in 23-24 when they give JB big money after what just transpired this postseason. Him and JT are a luxury on the wing, but they're kind of redundant. Horford is going to fall off even more next season and are they keeping Smart? They'll need a hell of an offseason to keep the building from caving in.
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Post#1667 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed Jun 7, 2023 7:51 pm

GoSixersBro wrote:Boston likely blew their you know what. I am not expecting better of this squad in 23-24 when they give JB big money after what just transpired this postseason. Him and JT are a luxury on the wing, but they're kind of redundant. Horford is going to fall off even more next season and are they keeping Smart? They'll need a hell of an offseason to keep the building from caving in.


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Post#1668 » by the_process » Thu Jun 8, 2023 3:37 pm

Sounds to me like WSH is about to blow it up.

That's bad news for Sixers fans. :lol:
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Post#1669 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 4:04 pm

Beal to Celtics highly likely .
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Post#1670 » by mjkvol » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:55 pm

the_process wrote:Sounds to me like WSH is about to blow it up.

That's bad news for Sixers fans. :lol:


Only if Morey is a complete moron, which I sincerely hope he isn't.
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Post#1671 » by brannigan73 » Thu Jun 8, 2023 6:59 pm

LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Beal to Celtics highly likely .



The Celtics are so deep at guard already this wouldnt help them that much.
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Post#1672 » by mjkvol » Thu Jun 8, 2023 7:01 pm

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LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Beal to Celtics highly likely .



Id rather play Derrick White and Malcolm Brogdon. Beal is so over as a difference maker. He won't start so why play him over a much bettter defensive player in White and a better shooter in Brogdon. Before you challenge me on the latter Brogdon has 50%, 40%, and 90% at least once. He'd help them obviously but I think it would be over-stated. They Celtics are so deep at guard.


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Post#1673 » by Negrodamus » Thu Jun 8, 2023 9:12 pm

LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Beal to Celtics highly likely .


According to what?
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Post#1674 » by Kobblehead » Fri Jun 9, 2023 12:35 pm

Tatum and Beal had a close bond dating back to childhood. Given that stars pick their destinations and the NBA teams are forced to figure out the logistics afterwards, I would be surprised if Beal's landing spot is anywhere other than Boston tbh.

https://www.nbcsportswashington.com/nba/washington-wizards/tatum-says-he-wouldnt-be-here-without-bradley-beal/206690/
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Post#1675 » by mjkvol » Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:52 pm

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nuggets-make-rare-in-finals-trade-as-they-swap-draft-picks-with-thunder-per-report/

It's always a bit irritating to see contending teams continue to make intelligent moves while we have squandered so much draft capital in sketchy trades and and brought in washed veterans that Glenn approved chasing the mirage of a championship year in and year out.

Denver, while in the Finals (!!), makes a move to bolster their roster in the near term with youth, understanding that finding cost effective role players around Jokic and Murray will allow them to extend their window by trading a 2029 protected 1st for a few picks in 2023 and '24.

Other franchises (like guess who?) will waste that pick by attaching it in a deal for yet another "win now" veteran in a desperate attempt to compete in some presumed window that is always about to close. And it never works.

We talk about the Miami 'culture', but it has as much or more to do with having the patience to locate and bring in players who fit a long established scheme and around your stars, not chasing 'names' and bringing in friends of the stars and players the coach might have had some success with a decade earlier.

Look at the Nuggets, getting huge contributions from guys like Christian Braun, Bruce Brown and Aaron Gordon - a 1st round pick, key FA signing, and smart, well thought out trade for a guy that fit better. They gave up a solid veteran in Gary Harris and a 1st in that trade because they had a backcourt glut, for a player in Gordon who could slide in as a starter next to Jokic. A gamble, but one that a team with a strong foundation and established culture can make to improve their chances in the playoffs.

Sorry for the rant, but the Sixers right now have a golden opportunity to step back and take a breath, establish a system and culture with Nurse, and really have some ammo to strike in 2024. I highly doubt they'll take that opportunity, but will instead keep ramming their collective heads against that brick wall.
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Post#1676 » by brannigan73 » Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:35 pm

I used to defend him but after watching last night's game I have concluded that Morey is not a top end GM after seeing how Bruce Brown, Caldwell-Pope, and Jeff Green performed in the highest pressure moments of the most important game of the year. Is there anyone here that would tell me honestly that you would rather have PJ Tucker, Melton, and Danuel House over those three guys? I don't even have to look up what they gave up to get those three guys but its waaaaay less then what we gave up for our three. These better run teams get role players that actually perform when it matters. We have a supposed analytics driven GM who manages like its the 80's locking on to players he had and liked in another job. I like De'Anthony Melton but he was horrible in the biggest moments and apparently he was not good for Memphis in the playoffs last year. Murray and Jokic didn't even play particularly well and they still won. When at least one of the Sixers big two doesnt play really well the Sixers never ever win big games. I feel like if there was such a thing as choke/loser factor for a roster we definitely are at the top of the list.
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Post#1677 » by mjkvol » Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:52 pm

brannigan73 wrote:I used to defend him but after watching last night's game I have concluded that Morey is not a top end GM after seeing how Bruce Brown, Caldwell-Pope, and Jeff Green performed in the highest pressure moments of the most important game of the year. Is there anyone here that would tell me honestly that you would rather have PJ Tucker, Melton, and Danuel House over those three guys? I don't even have to look up what they gave up to get those three guys but its waaaaay less then what we gave up for our three. These better run teams get role players that actually perform when it matters. We have a supposed analytics driven GM who manages like its the 80's locking on to players he had and liked in another job. I like De'Anthony Melton but he was horrible in the biggest moments and apparently he was not good for Memphis in the playoffs last year. Murray and Jokic didn't even play particularly well and they still won. When at least one of the Sixers big two doesnt play really well the Sixers never ever win big games. I feel like if there was such a thing as choke/loser factor for a roster we definitely are at the top of the list.


I don't completely disagree but I'm going to reserve judgement on Morey until I see his actions with a legitimate coach with a scheme from this century that isn't badgering him to bring in players that performed well for him a decade ago.
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Post#1678 » by GoSixersBro » Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:06 am

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brannigan73 wrote:I used to defend him but after watching last night's game I have concluded that Morey is not a top end GM after seeing how Bruce Brown, Caldwell-Pope, and Jeff Green performed in the highest pressure moments of the most important game of the year. Is there anyone here that would tell me honestly that you would rather have PJ Tucker, Melton, and Danuel House over those three guys? I don't even have to look up what they gave up to get those three guys but its waaaaay less then what we gave up for our three. These better run teams get role players that actually perform when it matters. We have a supposed analytics driven GM who manages like its the 80's locking on to players he had and liked in another job. I like De'Anthony Melton but he was horrible in the biggest moments and apparently he was not good for Memphis in the playoffs last year. Murray and Jokic didn't even play particularly well and they still won. When at least one of the Sixers big two doesnt play really well the Sixers never ever win big games. I feel like if there was such a thing as choke/loser factor for a roster we definitely are at the top of the list.


I don't completely disagree but I'm going to reserve judgement on Morey until I see his actions with a legitimate coach with a scheme from this century that isn't badgering him to bring in players that performed well for him a decade ago.


Same. For me he has this summer and maybe the 2024 deadline, but after that it's over.

(And I am not saying he needs to flip this dumpster into an actual contender by February, but at least show me enough to convince me he's not washed.)
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Post#1679 » by mjkvol » Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:17 am

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brannigan73 wrote:I used to defend him but after watching last night's game I have concluded that Morey is not a top end GM after seeing how Bruce Brown, Caldwell-Pope, and Jeff Green performed in the highest pressure moments of the most important game of the year. Is there anyone here that would tell me honestly that you would rather have PJ Tucker, Melton, and Danuel House over those three guys? I don't even have to look up what they gave up to get those three guys but its waaaaay less then what we gave up for our three. These better run teams get role players that actually perform when it matters. We have a supposed analytics driven GM who manages like its the 80's locking on to players he had and liked in another job. I like De'Anthony Melton but he was horrible in the biggest moments and apparently he was not good for Memphis in the playoffs last year. Murray and Jokic didn't even play particularly well and they still won. When at least one of the Sixers big two doesnt play really well the Sixers never ever win big games. I feel like if there was such a thing as choke/loser factor for a roster we definitely are at the top of the list.


I don't completely disagree but I'm going to reserve judgement on Morey until I see his actions with a legitimate coach with a scheme from this century that isn't badgering him to bring in players that performed well for him a decade ago.


Same. For me he has this summer and maybe the 2024 deadline, but after that it's over.

(And I am not saying he needs to flip this dumpster into an actual contender by February, but at least show me enough to convince me he's not washed.)


To me, it's about if he is going to show a bit of patience and not chase names. Any 'blockbuster' trade this summer costing us Maxey and picks will finish him in my eyes. Unless it's for Kawhi, which ain't happening.
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Post#1680 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:37 pm

Yeah, Morey's moves last summer were brutal. He still hasn't proved that he's a good GM since he's taken over in Philly.

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