Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[JustBuzzin]

I'm not sold on KAT. But he's the best single asset available that is a position of need, if Brad decideds to get him for brown then i'm all up for it.

Keep Tatum,l and smart, everyone else is fair game.

I take it you don't really watch KAT?

Don't let the stats fool you dude might have one of the lowest IQ in the league.


He is guaranteed to take at least 3 bad 3pt chuck shots a game. Most of them comes early in the shot clock. Dude has a peanut brain.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I'm not sold on KAT. But he's the best single asset available that is a position of need, if Brad decideds to get him for brown then i'm all up for it.

Keep Tatum,l and smart, everyone else is fair game.

I take it you don't really watch KAT?

Don't let the stats fool you dude might have one of the lowest IQ in the league.


He is guaranteed to take at least 3 bad 3pt chuck shots a game. Most of them comes early in the shot clock. Dude has a peanut brain.

I don't know. He's got nothing on Jaylen in that regard.

[FlatearthZorro]

I'm not sold on KAT. But he's the best single asset available that is a position of need, if Brad decideds to get him for brown then i'm all up for it.

Keep Tatum,l and smart, everyone else is fair game.

Smart has been good, but I would let him go. I feel as if we need a legit stable shooter at PG. I would move White to a starting role.
For all that Smart's done for the team, to me the C's have done much more for Marcus. Name one player that's been in the league in it's current form who's shot like .350 from the field in his first 3-4 years in the league and has made as many bone-headed plays as Smart. I think Smart would've been out of the league by now and I doubt any coach would've given him the freedom Brad gave him.

[Triple7]

I'm not sold on KAT. But he's the best single asset available that is a position of need, if Brad decideds to get him for brown then i'm all up for it.

Keep Tatum,l and smart, everyone else is fair game.

Smart has been good, but I would let him go. I feel as if we need a legit stable shooter at PG. I would move White to a starting role.
For all that Smart's done for the team, to me the C's have done much more for Marcus. Name one player that's been in the league in it's current form who's shot like .350 from the field in his first 3-4 years in the league and has made as many bone-headed plays as Smart. I think Smart would've been out of the league by now and I doubt any coach would've given him the freedom Brad gave him.

The celtics should move on from Smart. White should be the starter next season. Just look at the numbers White had when Smart ain’t playing. I’d trade Smart and Rob for a decent, good legit big. White, brown, JT and a legit big would be good enough. Plus this core has run its course already. Since brown would likely stay, smart is the odd man out. Running back again with this core won’t give us anything different. We would probably be worse next season.

[Triple7]

I'm not sold on KAT. But he's the best single asset available that is a position of need, if Brad decideds to get him for brown then i'm all up for it.

Keep Tatum,l and smart, everyone else is fair game.

I take it you don't really watch KAT?

Don't let the stats fool you dude might have one of the lowest IQ in the league.


He is guaranteed to take at least 3 bad 3pt chuck shots a game. Most of them comes early in the shot clock. Dude has a peanut brain.

Lol. KAT, brown and smart together, would give this team the worst bbiq starters in the league.

[Jacobkowal]

Jaylen Browns On/Off in the playoffs the last five season:

17-18: -0,1
18-19: -16,3
19-20: -4,7
21-22: -1,5
22-23: -6,5

I love Browns personality and fight, but I think we have to trade him this summer for a better fit. Preferably a power forward (Siakam /Markkanen). He is simply not good enough to make 50 million dollars a year.

[Triple7]

Jaylen Browns On/Off in the playoffs the last five season:

17-18: -0,1
18-19: -16,3
19-20: -4,7
21-22: -1,5
22-23: -6,5

I love Browns personality and fight, but I think we have to trade him this summer for a better fit. Preferably a power forward (Siakam /Markkanen). He is simply not good enough to make 50 million dollars a year.

It’s actually 59M per year for 5yrs. Makes me want to throw up thinking the Celtics would be dumb enough to pay him that. I don’t care if we get a lesser player in return. Like what youv’e said, trade Brown for a better fit. A pg guard or a big man would fit better with Tatum.

[31to6]

JB for KAT is a definite upgrade. KAT is a much better shooter (arguably the best shooting big in the NBA today), much better playmaker (averaged close to 5 assists last year), and much better rebounder (filling a huge need for this team). He also gives you the type of post presence that Tatum has never ever had in his entire career. And while JB is seen as a redundancy with Tatum, KAT becomes a significant upgrade in a weaker position. You're giving up something on defense but all the stuff he brings on offense (and the rebounding) hopefully more than makes up for it. If Denver and Sacramento can be above average defensive teams with Jokic and Sabonis in the middle, there's no reason the Celtics can't make it work with a guy like Towns.

JB's value is probably not gonna get higher coming of an All-NBA, All-Star season. I bet most of those who voted him to be 2nd team All-NBA are already having voter's remorse after seeing him in the playoffs, and he's only gonna continue to be exposed from hereon out for what every Celtics fan has always know about him as a player --- a high usage scorer with below average handles and tunnel vision. At least there are still teams that are enamored by the accolades and reputation for now, and while I'm on the "take what you can for JB" camp, you can do a lot worse than swapping him for KAT.

And I don't buy the notion that we have to seek out the "perfect" big for the Celtics system, which is a rim-protecting, switchable stretch big, and that until we can find one, we're going to ride with Horford. Al averaged 6.7 points on 29% 3pt shooting in 30 mpg in the playoffs. The Heat couldn't even be bothered to guard him. If he's still our main big on opening night, I'm literally gonna throw up.

And there's Rob, who at 25 still seemingly continues to live off his "potential." We've been holding onto the "if he's healthy, he can be one of the absolute best bigs in the league" narrative for the last 3 years. And there's the fact that I don't think Joe trusts him enough to be a 30 mpg center. Heck he isn't even finishing games where Horford was 1-7 from the field.

We can talk about everything we'd be giving up defensively with KAT, but it's not like we're shutting teams down with Al and Rob anyway. At this point, swapping JB for any other 20 ppg scorer that doesn't turn the ball over nearly as much is already an upgrade.

I was about to post something snippy about how "this board would **** itself if we traded for KAT and then learned what KAT actually plays like" -- and then I read your post and +1'd it, so **** me, I don't know.

I think now is a great time to trade JB if someone's willing to bite on him pre-extension. I don't know that they will, but in light of the new CBA it feels like there could be shuffling league-wide to *avoid* supermax deals. That said, it looks to me like KAT and Jaylen are in similar contract situations -- one more year upcoming, then supermax if they remain with the teams that drafted them, and a bit less if they are dealt. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/minnesota-timberwolves/karl-anthony-towns-17829/

My 'play' has been Jaylen for Siakam, but I have to admit that KAT has better advanced #s than Pascal, both in career aggregate and (my preference) in recent seasons https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=siakapa01&player_id1=townska01&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=townska01

Siakam plays the way, right now, I would like for the Celtics. Bring him in tomorrow and I would be hyped.
Anthony Towns is a huge ball of clay which would need some sculpting. But the upside is there.

KAT has a career 12.7% TO rate compared to Jaylen's 12.5%, and in the playoffs JB is at 12.3% (14.2% this year) and KAT is at -- holy **** -- 18.3%, including 17.9% this year lolololol (Siakam is 11.1% RS career and 8.6% playoffs career).

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JB for KAT is a definite upgrade. KAT is a much better shooter (arguably the best shooting big in the NBA today), much better playmaker (averaged close to 5 assists last year), and much better rebounder (filling a huge need for this team). He also gives you the type of post presence that Tatum has never ever had in his entire career. And while JB is seen as a redundancy with Tatum, KAT becomes a significant upgrade in a weaker position. You're giving up something on defense but all the stuff he brings on offense (and the rebounding) hopefully more than makes up for it. If Denver and Sacramento can be above average defensive teams with Jokic and Sabonis in the middle, there's no reason the Celtics can't make it work with a guy like Towns.

JB's value is probably not gonna get higher coming of an All-NBA, All-Star season. I bet most of those who voted him to be 2nd team All-NBA are already having voter's remorse after seeing him in the playoffs, and he's only gonna continue to be exposed from hereon out for what every Celtics fan has always know about him as a player --- a high usage scorer with below average handles and tunnel vision. At least there are still teams that are enamored by the accolades and reputation for now, and while I'm on the "take what you can for JB" camp, you can do a lot worse than swapping him for KAT.

And I don't buy the notion that we have to seek out the "perfect" big for the Celtics system, which is a rim-protecting, switchable stretch big, and that until we can find one, we're going to ride with Horford. Al averaged 6.7 points on 29% 3pt shooting in 30 mpg in the playoffs. The Heat couldn't even be bothered to guard him. If he's still our main big on opening night, I'm literally gonna throw up.

And there's Rob, who at 25 still seemingly continues to live off his "potential." We've been holding onto the "if he's healthy, he can be one of the absolute best bigs in the league" narrative for the last 3 years. And there's the fact that I don't think Joe trusts him enough to be a 30 mpg center. Heck he isn't even finishing games where Horford was 1-7 from the field.

We can talk about everything we'd be giving up defensively with KAT, but it's not like we're shutting teams down with Al and Rob anyway. At this point, swapping JB for any other 20 ppg scorer that doesn't turn the ball over nearly as much is already an upgrade.

I was about to post something snippy about how "this board would **** itself if we traded for KAT and then learned what KAT actually plays like" -- and then I read your post and +1'd it, so **** me, I don't know.

I think now is a great time to trade JB if someone's willing to bite on him pre-extension. I don't know that they will, but in light of the new CBA it feels like there could be shuffling league-wide to *avoid* supermax deals. That said, it looks to me like KAT and Jaylen are in similar contract situations -- one more year upcoming, then supermax if they remain with the teams that drafted them, and a bit less if they are dealt. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/minnesota-timberwolves/karl-anthony-towns-17829/

My 'play' has been Jaylen for Siakam, but I have to admit that KAT has better advanced #s than Pascal, both in career aggregate and (my preference) in recent seasons https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=siakapa01&player_id1=townska01&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=townska01

Siakam plays the way, right now, I would like for the Celtics. Bring him in tomorrow and I would be hyped.
Anthony Towns is a huge ball of clay which would need some sculpting. But the upside is there.

KAT has a career 12.7% TO rate compared to Jaylen's 12.5%, and in the playoffs JB is at 12.3% (14.2% this year) and KAT is at -- holy **** -- 18.3%, including 17.9% this year lolololol (Siakam is 11.1% RS career and 8.6% playoffs career).

I think people play up Jaylen’s turnovers because they are ugly and he’s a bit of a ball stopper. Rather than him being actually hugely turnover prone. In other words it’s sort of short hand for not creating enough other easy shots.

On the larger picture, the salary thing could be an issue. Could be for Boston but just as much or more so for these other teams. Atlanta and Portland (he’s a bad fit there despite all the fake trades) were much more up against their spending than Boston was and this was last year.

The whole CBA situation reminds me of my chemistry days, have to balance the electron donors and acceptors. NBA trades have always been like that but even more so now and there are a lot of teams out there that are pretty identifiable that will be looking to move salary or avoid taking new salary.

[Hal14]

We can talk about everything we'd be giving up defensively with KAT, but it's not like we're shutting teams down with Al and Rob anyway.

We were tied for the #1 ranked defense 2 yrs ago and were top 3 ranked defense this past season.

[Celts17Pride]

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[ajones9219]

You boys know Brad is going to randomly snag a quality piece for trash right? He has done it every year.

What he won't do is trade any of Smart/Brogdan/Brown

I'll keep reiterating it on every thread - it's ALMOST a guarantee we're moving one of those two due to the new CBA. Have to shed real money this offseason.

We can agree to disagree. I actually think Boston takes on money this offseason unless they find a creative deal for Grant. Don't really think the CBA changes things this offseason.

[RickyDizzle]

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Smart, brogdon, Grant williams for Murray and Collins?

Murray, Brown, Tatum, Collins, Timelord
With white, horford, Pritchard, gallo off the pine. Maybe we need more shooters.

[Andrew McCeltic]

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Smart, brogdon, Grant williams for Murray and Collins?

Murray, Brown, Tatum, Collins, Timelord
With white, horford, Pritchard, gallo off the pine. Maybe we need more shooters.

No idea what Atlanta would want. Love Murray but we’d have to make multiple moves for it to work. Like, Jaylen for KAT, Smart for a 2-guard like Beasley, Trent or Norm Powell, then Brogdon/picks for Murray

[Larry_Russell]

I camt see murray and whote working together

[GoGreen]

I'm not sold on KAT. But he's the best single asset available that is a position of need, if Brad decideds to get him for brown then i'm all up for it.

Keep Tatum,l and smart, everyone else is fair game.

Smart has been good, but I would let him go. I feel as if we need a legit stable shooter at PG. I would move White to a starting role.
For all that Smart's done for the team, to me the C's have done much more for Marcus. Name one player that's been in the league in it's current form who's shot like .350 from the field in his first 3-4 years in the league and has made as many bone-headed plays as Smart. I think Smart would've been out of the league by now and I doubt any coach would've given him the freedom Brad gave him.

The celtics should move on from Smart. White should be the starter next season. Just look at the numbers White had when Smart ain’t playing. I’d trade Smart and Rob for a decent, good legit big. White, brown, JT and a legit big would be good enough. Plus this core has run its course already. Since brown would likely stay, smart is the odd man out. Running back again with this core won’t give us anything different. We would probably be worse next season.

This is a very contentious topic but I too am in agreement with wanting to see him go for a few reasons. I just don't think it's going to happen.

[GoGreen]

Simons and #3 for Brown is still intriguing to me, but if we get that pick I'd want to trade it for a big name. Problem is i don't see anyone I much like out there.

[Larry_Russell]

Simons and #3 for Brown is still intriguing to me, but if we get that pick I'd want to trade it for a big name. Problem is i don't see anyone I much like out there.

Brown for simons and 3
Simons amd brogdon for kat
Timelord for heurter

Scoot/smart
White/huerter
Tatum/hauser
Grantw/gallo
KAT/horford

[Hal14]

Simons and #3 for Brown is still intriguing to me, but if we get that pick I'd want to trade it for a big name. Problem is i don't see anyone I much like out there.

Brown for simons and 3
Simons amd brogdon for kat
Timelord for heurter

Scoot/smart
White/huerter
Tatum/hauser
Grantw/gallo
KAT/horford

-Scoot could get taken with the 2nd pick.

-Wolves can probably get a much better package than that for KAT, I guess perhaps if you attach a bunch of picks, but trading a bunch of 1st rounders and having 2 supermax contract players on the same team seems like the opposite strategy of what you should do with the new CBA.

-Double big lineup didn't work in Indy with Sabonis and Turner, so not sure why it would work with Sabonis and Rob (both non-shooters) and neither has the mobility to play the 4.

With that being said, I'd probably do all 3 trades if I'm the Celtics. Just not sure the other team would agree to them - and not sure Scoot will still be there at 3..