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Post#361 » by BlazersBroncos » Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:47 pm

Norm2953 wrote:No shortage of Blazer deals for everyone is proposing to dump all their big contracts onto
the Blazers in these win now trades.

I do think Portland would deal 3 for someone like Bridges who is signed for more than one
season on a good contract. Short of getting a real solid player on a good contract, Portland
is going to keep pick 3 for there are no secrets when it comes to picking in the top 3.

Let's see when push comes to shove, if Houston, Detroit and Orlando make an offer to get
Scoot, that makes Portland think about it.

Houston: Eason + 4 for 3
Detroit: Duren + 5 for 3
Orlando: Wagner + 6 for 3, 23, 43


Wagner for 3 is closer than that deal.

If we come out of the draft with a Franz level guy at 3, I would be ecstatic. The dude is a stud.
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Post#362 » by JKiddy » Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:34 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
HopsandBarley wrote:Simons and 3 for

Siakam
Brown
Bridges

Who do you take


Bridges is the only one. Overpay for Siakam or Brown imo when you consider contracts and talent of both guys.

This years playoffs really soured me on Brown to where I think if he ever leaves Boston, his star is going to fade fast


I don't think the Nets value Simons. They need guys who can play D. They are looking for young two way players who can create their own shot when needed, be unselfish, hit the 3, and play D. Wait that is Bridges!

Okay in all seriousness, I am unsure if BK would deal Bridges if it was Sharpe, #3, plus (insert decent player here). But, I might be wrong!
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Post#363 » by DusterBuster » Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:42 am

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Re: Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup 

Post#364 » by Norm2953 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:28 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:No shortage of Blazer deals for everyone is proposing to dump all their big contracts onto
the Blazers in these win now trades.

I do think Portland would deal 3 for someone like Bridges who is signed for more than one
season on a good contract. Short of getting a real solid player on a good contract, Portland
is going to keep pick 3 for there are no secrets when it comes to picking in the top 3.

Let's see when push comes to shove, if Houston, Detroit and Orlando make an offer to get
Scoot, that makes Portland think about it.

Houston: Eason + 4 for 3
Detroit: Duren + 5 for 3
Orlando: Wagner + 6 for 3, 23, 43


Wagner for 3 is closer than that deal.

If we come out of the draft with a Franz level guy at 3, I would be ecstatic. The dude is a stud.


I doubt Wagner is a stud for all those Orlando proposals to get to 3 involve trying to get that player who
could develop into a star. Wagner is who he is which is a guy who will be the Robin to his team's Batman.

That's the problem with the Magic for they have a team full of Robin's for they feel their picks at 6,11
will yield more of these guys. That's why they want to get to 3 in case Scoot in time will get to AS level
NBA PG. NBA is still a star driven league.
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Post#365 » by red_power » Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:05 pm

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Not surprising actually. Miller is much more.. well, not better but a more convenient and versatile selection.
If Blazers end up taking Henderson that Dame-Scoot conundrum is likely to get toxic in another year and a half or so
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Re: Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup 

Post#366 » by DaVoiceMaster » Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:24 pm

red_power wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Not surprising actually. Miller is much more.. well, not better but more convenient and versatile selection.
If Blazers end up taking Henderson that Dame-Scoot conundrum is likely to get toxic in another year and half or so


It would be interesting to see the Blazers draft board. If they don't want Scoot, perhaps Houston, Detroit, or Orlando wants him, so long as the Blazers can get the next player on their list, whoever that may be. The Blazers biggest position of need is forward and there are plenty to choose from in this draft. I would really like to get Miller though. What moves them up from #3 to #2?
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Post#367 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:52 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:
red_power wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=ytu8_lCpASqsmEN-XvYq2g

Not surprising actually. Miller is much more.. well, not better but more convenient and versatile selection.
If Blazers end up taking Henderson that Dame-Scoot conundrum is likely to get toxic in another year and half or so


It would be interesting to see the Blazers draft board. If they don't want Scoot, perhaps Houston, Detroit, or Orlando wants him, so long as the Blazers can get the next player on their list, whoever that may be. The Blazers biggest position of need is forward and there are plenty to choose from in this draft. I would really like to get Miller though. What moves them up from #3 to #2?


Wonder if a trade down w/ HOU could involve PHX -

PDX Trades - Nurkic, 3
PDX Receives - Ayton, 4

HOU Trades - Eason, 4
HOU Receives - 3

PHX Trades - Ayton
PHX Receives - Nurkic, Eason

Then move Simons + Little for DDR + Caruso + PDX FRP (This is assuming Simons is more valued in FO's than on RealGM) -

G - Damian Lillard / Alex Caruso
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Alex Caruso
F - DeMar DeRozan / Matisse Thybulle
F - Jerami Grant / Jarace Walker (4)
C - DeAndre Ayton / Drew Eubanks

+ 23 and 43 - Roster leaves Ayton w/o the touches he would want though IMO.
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Re: Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup 

Post#368 » by tester551 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:27 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:
red_power wrote:Not surprising actually. Miller is much more.. well, not better but more convenient and versatile selection.
If Blazers end up taking Henderson that Dame-Scoot conundrum is likely to get toxic in another year and half or so


It would be interesting to see the Blazers draft board. If they don't want Scoot, perhaps Houston, Detroit, or Orlando wants him, so long as the Blazers can get the next player on their list, whoever that may be. The Blazers biggest position of need is forward and there are plenty to choose from in this draft. I would really like to get Miller though. What moves them up from #3 to #2?


Wonder if a trade down w/ HOU could involve PHX -

PDX Trades - Nurkic, 3
PDX Receives - Ayton, 4

HOU Trades - Eason, 4
HOU Receives - 3

PHX Trades - Ayton
PHX Receives - Nurkic, Eason

Then move Simons + Little for DDR + Caruso + PDX FRP (This is assuming Simons is more valued in FO's than on RealGM) -

G - Damian Lillard / Alex Caruso
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Alex Caruso
F - DeMar DeRozan / Matisse Thybulle
F - Jerami Grant / Jarace Walker (4)
C - DeAndre Ayton / Drew Eubanks

+ 23 and 43 - Roster leaves Ayton w/o the touches he would want though IMO.

I'd rather have Nurk & Eason over Ayton.
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Post#369 » by Goldbum » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:37 pm

Would you guys take Jabari Smith + #4 in a 3 way deal that sends Dame to BOS and Brown to HOU?
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Post#370 » by Village Idiot » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:43 pm

Goldbum wrote:Would you guys take Jabari Smith + #4 in a 3 way deal that sends Dame to BOS and Brown to HOU?
very enticing. Who would we pick at 4, assuming Scoot is picked at 3?
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Post#371 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:00 pm

Village Idiot wrote:
Goldbum wrote:Would you guys take Jabari Smith + #4 in a 3 way deal that sends Dame to BOS and Brown to HOU?
very enticing. Who would we pick at 4, assuming Scoot is picked at 3?


I would go Anthony Black personally. I think he just has 'it'. And as a jumbo ballhandler with the best vision and IQ in the class (IMO) he fits great next to Simons and Sharpe long-term. Getting a guy like him is one of the only scenarios where I like keeping Ant long term.

For all the hype and potential talk about the Thompson twins - Black is actually a full year younger. I am starting to think the Thompsons have pulled a hell of a grift - they were age 19 playing horrible HS or below even level of competition w/ Overtime Elite and prior to joining that trash league were not really much heralded prospects.

Simons (24) / Sharpe (20) / Black (19) / Jabari (20) - really like that unit long-term.
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Post#372 » by tester551 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:01 pm

Goldbum wrote:Would you guys take Jabari Smith + #4 in a 3 way deal that sends Dame to BOS and Brown to HOU?

I'm not that big of a Smith fan.
He's a good shooter, but really doesn't have much else to his game.

If the return for Dame was #4 + Eason + 3-4 future picks, then yes.
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Post#373 » by zzaj » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:32 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:
Goldbum wrote:Would you guys take Jabari Smith + #4 in a 3 way deal that sends Dame to BOS and Brown to HOU?
very enticing. Who would we pick at 4, assuming Scoot is picked at 3?


I would go Anthony Black personally. I think he just has 'it'. And as a jumbo ballhandler with the best vision and IQ in the class (IMO) he fits great next to Simons and Sharpe long-term. Getting a guy like him is one of the only scenarios where I like keeping Ant long term.

For all the hype and potential talk about the Thompson twins - Black is actually a full year younger. I am starting to think the Thompsons have pulled a hell of a grift - they were age 19 playing horrible HS or below even level of competition w/ Overtime Elite and prior to joining that trash league were not really much heralded prospects.

Simons (24) / Sharpe (20) / Black (19) / Jabari (20) - really like that unit long-term.


Agreed. I spent two days on Black last week and came away with him being the 'steal' of this draft--or at least in a year or two people will be wondering how it was he fell to 6th, or whatever...

His upload, passing and BBIQ is a couple of levels higher than anybody else in the draft, including Wemby. Defense, passing, Size, playmaking...and his shot is workable.

EDIT: and I too have hesitations about the Thompsons. For one, I think that Ausar is actually going to be the better player. Two, I feel like their eyepopping stats are more a product of the team/league they play in, rather than talent. I do wonder if they were playing in a college system if they'd have had a chance to show out like they did in OTE. Once they get put on an NBA team with a more limited role, I feel like they will underwhelm.
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Re: Twitter Trade Rumor Roundup 

Post#374 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:47 pm

His upload, passing and BBIQ is a couple of levels higher than anybody else in the draft, including Wemby. Defense, passing, Size, playmaking...and his shot is workable.


Ya, shooting mechanics are one of the more workable traits. If Black shot 40% in college from 3, I think he would be in a tier of his own below Wemby (IE Tier 1 - Wemby Tier 2 - Black Tier 3 - Miller, Scoot).

He is a plus in every facet of the game outside shooting, and as I said we have seen MANY players dramatically improve their shot. We have not seen many improve feel, upload, BBIQ and motor - and Black excels in all those facets.
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Post#375 » by Jsun947 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:28 pm

The problem with a Black is the same problem a lot of guards have.

If he isn’t a good enough shooter to play off ball, and isn’t a sure fire all star level playmaker & scorer at the NBA level, then his ceiling is a back up defensive guard.

Currently he’s not a good enough shooter or scorer to stay on a NBA floor on a good team. I have serious doubts he becomes one either.
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Post#376 » by The Sebastian Express » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:30 pm

I don't think there's any way at all Houston would trade 4+JAbari for Brown.
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Post#377 » by Jsun947 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:34 pm

The Sebastian Express wrote:I don't think there's any way at all Houston would trade 4+JAbari for Brown.



I’ve wondered about the concept of Dame & Nurkic to Bos, Brown & Williams to Hou, and #4 & Sengun to Por
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Post#378 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:43 pm

Goldbum wrote:Would you guys take Jabari Smith + #4 in a 3 way deal that sends Dame to BOS and Brown to HOU?


do you think Portland would trade Dame before he even asks to be traded and do you believe he'll ask to be traded by the draft?

I sure don't and it's becoming a pet peeve of mine that people are fantasizing about Dame being traded for any 2023 draft picks when he can't be traded until 3 weeks after the draft, Portland wouldn't trade him before he demands a trade, and Dame is almost certainly not going to demand a trade till training camp at the earliest
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Post#379 » by Jsun947 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:12 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
Goldbum wrote:Would you guys take Jabari Smith + #4 in a 3 way deal that sends Dame to BOS and Brown to HOU?


do you think Portland would trade Dame before he even asks to be traded and do you believe he'll ask to be traded by the draft?

I sure don't and it's becoming a pet peeve of mine that people are fantasizing about Dame being traded for any 2023 draft picks when he can't be traded until 3 weeks after the draft, Portland wouldn't trade him before he demands a trade, and Dame is almost certainly not going to demand a trade till training camp at the earliest


Blazers will have a big board before the draft, they’ll have a full list of potential trades depending on what players fall where, & Dame will be aware of what those options are/what the roster will look like. It’s entirely plausible the Blazers & Dame already have agreed to trade him if we fall short in acquisitions.

If there is a draft day trade it would just have to wait to be finalized.

For example, I don’t see a scenario where we draft Scoot, keep him & Sharpe, and the Blazers roster is suddenly a championship contender given Nurkic has neutral value at best and Simons is our only positive value asset.
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Post#380 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:44 pm

Jsun947 wrote:It’s entirely plausible the Blazers & Dame already have agreed to trade him if we fall short in acquisitions.

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sorry, I don't find that very plausible...not at all, because I don't believe, for a second, that Cronin has been out there shopping Dame. Not for a single second because if he had been, we'd be hearing about it...incessantly

not only that, I think it's myopic to believe Dame's decision pivots on what happens in the draft. I think the off-season will be just as, if not more important than the draft

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