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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1021 » by ThunderBolt » Fri Jun 9, 2023 12:59 pm

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retrobro90 wrote:All my opinion but here's a few hypothetical scenarios and how I'd feel if they each transpired:

OKC finds a trade that makes sense to move up and select either Walker, Hendricks, or even one of the Thompsons: Elated. Instantly more excited about the future. The team desperately needs a high level athlete to start among the other 4 keepers in SGA/Giddey/Jdub/Chet.

OKC stays at 12 and selects one of Hawkins/Lively/Wallace/Dick: Contented. Think each of these players could bring some highlight level contributions in their rookie years with some legitimate upside as future starters or even stars (less so in Dick's case).

OKC trades way too much to move up and grab one of Black or Whitmore: Slightly disappointed. Think both of these guys need a completely different environment than what OKC is offering for them to blossom. I'm also not sold on either of their individual games for different reasons. Black's switchability and size is nice but he doesn't seem to have the scoring bag or the athleticism to be a true difference maker on either end. Didn't like how Arkansas' individuals were always better than their sum with him as the lead guard. Whitmore has an iso bag and is tough but not a ton of ancillary stuff with or without the ball. Think he'd be a flow killer/record scratch in OKC's offense. Neither prospect really does it for me on an eye test POV.

OKC stays at 12 and selects Bilal Coulibaly: Completely bummed. Very risky pick with admitted upside but can't see the development path on our squad and am tired of Sam's obsession w sleepy french kids. He's playing much better right now and his stock deserves a little boost because of it but the real issue is that he will not learn to be a hungry all-star in training while playing primarily for the OKC Blue. He is young and raw and if he becomes a mega stud it will be because OKC traded him for peanuts after he did nothing to help his stock in a Thunder uniform.


I'm probably not as excited about Walker as most. Picking in the range that it would take to get him I would prefer more upside. Hendricks appeals to me. I won't be disappointed in any player that can shoot.

Coulibaly as a prospect doesn't bother me but I agree that we have a few too many projects. It's hard to see a realistic path for Dieng and him to get the development they need. With the price we paid to get Dieng, I want to give him the opportunity to succeed. "Sleepy french kids"...lol.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1022 » by Dadouv47 » Fri Jun 9, 2023 1:06 pm

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retrobro90 wrote:All my opinion but here's a few hypothetical scenarios and how I'd feel if they each transpired:

OKC finds a trade that makes sense to move up and select either Walker, Hendricks, or even one of the Thompsons: Elated. Instantly more excited about the future. The team desperately needs a high level athlete to start among the other 4 keepers in SGA/Giddey/Jdub/Chet.

OKC stays at 12 and selects one of Hawkins/Lively/Wallace/Dick: Contented. Think each of these players could bring some highlight level contributions in their rookie years with some legitimate upside as future starters or even stars (less so in Dick's case).

OKC trades way too much to move up and grab one of Black or Whitmore: Slightly disappointed. Think both of these guys need a completely different environment than what OKC is offering for them to blossom. I'm also not sold on either of their individual games for different reasons. Black's switchability and size is nice but he doesn't seem to have the scoring bag or the athleticism to be a true difference maker on either end. Didn't like how Arkansas' individuals were always better than their sum with him as the lead guard. Whitmore has an iso bag and is tough but not a ton of ancillary stuff with or without the ball. Think he'd be a flow killer/record scratch in OKC's offense. Neither prospect really does it for me on an eye test POV.

OKC stays at 12 and selects Bilal Coulibaly: Completely bummed. Very risky pick with admitted upside but can't see the development path on our squad and am tired of Sam's obsession w sleepy french kids. He's playing much better right now and his stock deserves a little boost because of it but the real issue is that he will not learn to be a hungry all-star in training while playing primarily for the OKC Blue. He is young and raw and if he becomes a mega stud it will be because OKC traded him for peanuts after he did nothing to help his stock in a Thunder uniform.


I'm probably not as excited about Walker as most. Picking in the range that it would take to get him I would prefer more upside. Hendricks appeals to me. I won't be disappointed in any player that can shoot.

Coulibaly as a prospect doesn't bother me but I agree that we have a few too many projects. It's hard to see a realistic path for Dieng and him to get the development they need. With the price we paid to get Dieng, I want to give him the opportunity to succeed. "Sleepy french kids"...lol.


I think it was a mistake to draft Dieng but from what I heard we overpaid to draft JDub and not Dieng (Dieng was drafted 11th just in case the trade felt apart so JDub was the one Presti badly wanted to get and the Cavs were trying to acquire him as well).

Coulibaly would have been a no brainer great pick in the last draft...now with Shai being a first team all NBA and our team willing to make the playoffs next season, it's a bit difficult. That being said, if our FO really think he's a top 5/top 8 talent in this draft, you gotta pick him. He's a project but closer to a Shaedon Sharpe kind of guy than Poku/Dieng IMO.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1023 » by Xatticus » Fri Jun 9, 2023 7:09 pm

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retrobro90 wrote:All my opinion but here's a few hypothetical scenarios and how I'd feel if they each transpired:

OKC finds a trade that makes sense to move up and select either Walker, Hendricks, or even one of the Thompsons: Elated. Instantly more excited about the future. The team desperately needs a high level athlete to start among the other 4 keepers in SGA/Giddey/Jdub/Chet.

OKC stays at 12 and selects one of Hawkins/Lively/Wallace/Dick: Contented. Think each of these players could bring some highlight level contributions in their rookie years with some legitimate upside as future starters or even stars (less so in Dick's case).

OKC trades way too much to move up and grab one of Black or Whitmore: Slightly disappointed. Think both of these guys need a completely different environment than what OKC is offering for them to blossom. I'm also not sold on either of their individual games for different reasons. Black's switchability and size is nice but he doesn't seem to have the scoring bag or the athleticism to be a true difference maker on either end. Didn't like how Arkansas' individuals were always better than their sum with him as the lead guard. Whitmore has an iso bag and is tough but not a ton of ancillary stuff with or without the ball. Think he'd be a flow killer/record scratch in OKC's offense. Neither prospect really does it for me on an eye test POV.

OKC stays at 12 and selects Bilal Coulibaly: Completely bummed. Very risky pick with admitted upside but can't see the development path on our squad and am tired of Sam's obsession w sleepy french kids. He's playing much better right now and his stock deserves a little boost because of it but the real issue is that he will not learn to be a hungry all-star in training while playing primarily for the OKC Blue. He is young and raw and if he becomes a mega stud it will be because OKC traded him for peanuts after he did nothing to help his stock in a Thunder uniform.


I'm probably not as excited about Walker as most. Picking in the range that it would take to get him I would prefer more upside. Hendricks appeals to me. I won't be disappointed in any player that can shoot.

Coulibaly as a prospect doesn't bother me but I agree that we have a few too many projects. It's hard to see a realistic path for Dieng and him to get the development they need. With the price we paid to get Dieng, I want to give him the opportunity to succeed. "Sleepy french kids"...lol.


Agreed.

I don't really see what Walker's role is offensively and his rebound rate is underwhelming. I like his off-ball movement on defense, but I don't really like how he swings at the ball to try to make plays. He just leaves me wanting more.

Coulibaly looks fine to me. He looks very similar to Mikal Bridges physically, but he has more bounce. I love how he covers ground with his long strides. I just don't think he is a guy that you can expect to help in the near future and so you are probably obligated to sign him to a second deal as the first one won't provide value (much like Poku or Dieng).
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1024 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 9, 2023 9:36 pm

FWIW, I think Bilal in these PO's has shown more real time production than Dieng or Poku ever did as prospects. Albeit its a small sample size.

If your looking at SGA / Giddey / Chet / Jalen as guys that require big usage long term (The right thought) - then its a good idea to key in on dudes that impact the game w/o the ball in their hands. Bilal has that in spades.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1025 » by Dadouv47 » Fri Jun 9, 2023 10:51 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:FWIW, I think Bilal in these PO's has shown more real time production than Dieng or Poku ever did as prospects. Albeit its a small sample size.

If your looking at SGA / Giddey / Chet / Jalen as guys that require big usage long term (The right thought) - then its a good idea to key in on dudes that impact the game w/o the ball in their hands. Bilal has that in spades.


yeah I'm really against drafting long projects but Bilal might be worth it...but as other mentioned, I also want a guy that could help our team next season too so if we decide to draft Coulibaly, Presti should really try to sign some decent vet or get another FRP to draft a more ready shooting wing.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1026 » by jake_swivel » Fri Jun 9, 2023 11:37 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:FWIW, I think Bilal in these PO's has shown more real time production than Dieng or Poku ever did as prospects. Albeit its a small sample size.

If your looking at SGA / Giddey / Chet / Jalen as guys that require big usage long term (The right thought) - then its a good idea to key in on dudes that impact the game w/o the ball in their hands. Bilal has that in spades.


That’s kind of what I was thinking regarding walker, too. He’s a junkyard dog. I’m ok if he’s not all that offensively minded as long as he has a passable jumpshot and defends at a high level at the 4 spot. Honestly, with the way this team’s perimeter guys rebound and the addition of Chet, I’m not concerned about rebounding rate either.

I’m fine with bilal. Also wouldn’t mind a reach on Leonard miller for the same reason.

Wanted to say retro’s “sleepy French” comment got a laugh out of me :)

Maledon legit always looked like he was halfway to a nap.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1027 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:52 pm

Presti in France right now watching Bilal/Wemby finals
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Post#1028 » by retrobro90 » Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:58 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:Presti in France right now watching Bilal/Wemby finals


Hopefully Mets terrible performance today swayed him from his placid provencal proclivities
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Post#1029 » by retrobro90 » Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:02 pm

More than anything else and whether it's through the draft or trade I really really really really want someone on this team who is going to act as either an enforcer or tone setter. We desperately need some lightning bolt athleticism or some concrete level toughness. Ideally both.
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Post#1030 » by Dadouv47 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:42 pm

There's not a single player I'm super excited about drafting at 12. I'm fine with most of the players projected in that range but I'm just worried bringing #12 + Chet for next season isn't enough. Really hope we can get a decent FA or draft another guy in the first round.

EDIT: well Wasserman has Hendricks falling to 12, that's great value if it happens.
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Post#1031 » by retrobro90 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:37 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:There's not a single player I'm super excited about drafting at 12. I'm fine with most of the players projected in that range but I'm just worried bringing #12 + Chet for next season isn't enough. Really hope we can get a decent FA or draft another guy in the first round.

EDIT: well Wasserman has Hendricks falling to 12, that's great value if it happens.


Saw he has Lively at 10 too. Done a lot for himself in workouts it seems
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1032 » by Dadouv47 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:41 pm

retrobro90 wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:There's not a single player I'm super excited about drafting at 12. I'm fine with most of the players projected in that range but I'm just worried bringing #12 + Chet for next season isn't enough. Really hope we can get a decent FA or draft another guy in the first round.

EDIT: well Wasserman has Hendricks falling to 12, that's great value if it happens.


Saw he has Lively at 10 too. Done a lot for himself in workouts it seems


I think there's a pretty high chance Presti draft Lively at 12 if he's available (think he will be tbh)
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Post#1033 » by jake_swivel » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:26 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:I think there's a pretty high chance Presti draft Lively at 12 if he's available (think he will be tbh)


That’s the only foreseeable draft day outcome that would leave me annoyed.
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Post#1034 » by retrobro90 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:03 pm

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Dadouv47 wrote:I think there's a pretty high chance Presti draft Lively at 12 if he's available (think he will be tbh)


That’s the only foreseeable draft day outcome that would leave me annoyed.


Lol I'd be pretty excited about it
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1035 » by Xatticus » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:20 pm

retrobro90 wrote:
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Dadouv47 wrote:I think there's a pretty high chance Presti draft Lively at 12 if he's available (think he will be tbh)


That’s the only foreseeable draft day outcome that would leave me annoyed.


Lol I'd be pretty excited about it


He doesn't look like a lottery talent to me. The physical tools are good. His mobility isn't good enough to project him as anything more than a drop defender. I don't like his positional awareness. All he can do offensively is camp in the dunk spot. I think it's pretty damning for a prospect when you have to hype up their catch radius. He does seem to be very unselfish though, which is always a plus.

I think his stock is buoyed by the dearth of frontcourt players in this draft. Last year was the year to go get a big if we wanted one. Duren and Williams were there when we picked and both were better prospects. They were pushing other guys like Kessler, Koloko, and Kamagate well down the rankings. We took Jaylin in the second round instead, which tells me that Presti doesn't really value what Lively provides.

I'm expecting Coulibaly if he is there, which I'm fairly certain he will be. If there is one criticism I'd have for Presti, it is that he doesn't mask his intentions very well. He falls in love with a guy and then overdrafts to get them in. All of creation knew he was taking Holmgren and Poku. That's not to say that it has always leaked out or that the reports that we have heard are accurate, but I'm less skeptical of such reports when it comes to Presti.

I'm hoping for Hendricks, but I'm doubtful.
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Post#1036 » by Big nick » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:43 pm

I agree lively would not be a very good pick for us and I don't think Sam will draft him. I don't see anything I like in his game.
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Post#1037 » by Dadouv47 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:59 pm

Xatticus wrote:
retrobro90 wrote:
jake_swivel wrote:
That’s the only foreseeable draft day outcome that would leave me annoyed.


Lol I'd be pretty excited about it


He doesn't look like a lottery talent to me. The physical tools are good. His mobility isn't good enough to project him as anything more than a drop defender. I don't like his positional awareness. All he can do offensively is camp in the dunk spot. I think it's pretty damning for a prospect when you have to hype up their catch radius. He does seem to be very unselfish though, which is always a plus.

I think his stock is buoyed by the dearth of frontcourt players in this draft. Last year was the year to go get a big if we wanted one. Duren and Williams were there when we picked and both were better prospects. They were pushing other guys like Kessler, Koloko, and Kamagate well down the rankings. We took Jaylin in the second round instead, which tells me that Presti doesn't really value what Lively provides.

I'm expecting Coulibaly if he is there, which I'm fairly certain he will be. If there is one criticism I'd have for Presti, it is that he doesn't mask his intentions very well. He falls in love with a guy and then overdrafts to get them in. All of creation knew he was taking Holmgren and Poku. That's not to say that it has always leaked out or that the reports that we have heard are accurate, but I'm less skeptical of such reports when it comes to Presti.

I'm hoping for Hendricks, but I'm doubtful.


Agree about the center stuff. I don't see any good big worth a lotto pick. I badly wanted Duren and thought he was going top 10 or 12. Williams was fine too. but to be honest I barely watched Lively and I'm reading a lot of good stuff about him so who knows.

Not sure I agree about Presti not masking his intentions...of course we learned Presti kind of players but reports made so many mistakes over the last few years...we were supposed to go after Bouknight/Kuminga and Sengun in 2021 (Sengun felt to #16 and Presti passed on him while most NBA experts were certain he was a Prest kind of player). I remember some random europeans that were supposed to be selected in the 2nd round by the Thunder and went undrafted.

Nobody knew about Mann, JDub or Dieng. Dieng was the kind of player we thought Presti could draft because he's his type but "nobody" knew he was following him in France since he was a kid. Several Thunder reporters thought we were gonna move up some spots for Sochan (he looks like a presti guy). Well maybe Presti tried, we will never know.

The Poku story to OKC was leaked for sure...that was a weird one. It was kind of obvious that Chet was a Presti kind of player too but nothing leaked...Jabari himself thought OKC was gonna draft him. The fit was just too obvious for us to draft another player.

I might be wrong but I think the Coulibaly stuff is smokescreen. No reason for him to show up in Monaco to show other GMs who his guy is (he might decide to draft him at 12 or even later in the draft but I don't think he's his first option).
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1038 » by Dadouv47 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:15 am

After a long and **** post I realize that Presti is really struggling drafting outside of the lottery.

In this rebuild, Giddey at 6 was good/great; no clue about Chet yet but I won't blame Prest if he's a bust because of injuries; the JDub pick was obviously the best one value wise. Then we have Dieng (maybe) and outside the lottery it's only Wiggins that is a decent player. I still don't buy Jaylin stock even if he's doing ok but so many bust: Bazley, Mann, Maledon, Poku (?), JRE (?). We overpaid for both Poku and JRE and they suck.

The only good players we ever drafted outside the lottery were Reggie Jackson and Ibaka at 24...not such a great record after 15 years of drafting.

Teams like Miami, Memphis or even Denver are having more success with late draft picks and I don't think their development coaches are a lot better than ours.
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Post#1039 » by cjmcallist » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:28 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:After a long and **** post I realize that Presti is really struggling drafting outside of the lottery.

In this rebuild, Giddey at 6 was good/great; no clue about Chet yet but I won't blame Prest if he's a bust because of injuries; the JDub pick was obviously the best one value wise. Then we have Dieng (maybe) and outside the lottery it's only Wiggins that is a decent player. I still don't buy Jaylin stock even if he's doing ok but so many bust: Bazley, Mann, Maledon, Poku (?), JRE (?). We overpaid for both Poku and JRE and they suck.

The only good players we ever drafted outside the lottery were Reggie Jackson and Ibaka at 24...not such a great record after 15 years of drafting.

Teams like Miami, Memphis or even Denver are having more success with late draft picks and I don't think their development coaches are a lot better than ours.

I agree. I think (hope) that Presti saw that as a weakness when he hired Rozman from Philly though. At least, that’s how I interpreted it.
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Post#1040 » by cjmcallist » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:30 pm

The closer we get, the more I expect to be disappointed by the draft. Far more outcomes would bum me out, rather than excite me.

So, let’s trade 12 instead!!

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