Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?)

[Arsenal]

Morey has been rumored to target Beal multiple times throughout the past 3 years, including after trading Ben for James. I don't think Morey sees Bradley as a negative asset.

Then he’s washed and should be fired. All you have to do is look at a few advanced stats and Beals contract to figure it out.

[youngcrev]

Value contract's are important, and get breezed over too much by the general public. But they're fetishized to an extent on Realgm. It's great for being able to build a deep roster, but at the end of the day, talent wins. If Daddy Josh can afford a **** NFL team, I don't give a **** how much his tax bill is gonna be, particularly after he ducked it this past year. Don't have any trade assets? Use your wallet to buy some from some dumpy franchise.

[Arsenal]

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Stand strong Daryl.

[Jailblazers7]

It’s gonna be sad to see Harden take another 2yr 60-70M deal from us & try to spin it as “I sacrificed because all I care about is winning.”

[Arsenal]

It’s gonna be sad to see Harden take another 2yr 60-70M deal from us & try to spin it as “I sacrificed because all I care about is winning.”

2 yrs / $70M would be great lol.

[the_process]

On the Beal front, the trade idea that Simmons floated was Tobias + picks for Beal so the posturing would be that we’re trying to build around Beal/Maxey/Embiid (assuming Harden walks). I don’t love the idea of the mortgaging the future for that trio but I could live with it.

No, Maxey was in it, too.

He said Harris, Maxey, and "I'm sure they can rustle up a couple picks".

It's just Simmons trying to keep Beal away from his Celtics. And of course hurt the Sixers.

The Celtics have owned the Sixers for the past six years in every way imaginable. I'm tired of having to care. Just blow it up already. Take advantage of the bloated prices and sell HIGH on Jo a year early instead of a year late.

[Arsenal]

On the Beal front, the trade idea that Simmons floated was Tobias + picks for Beal so the posturing would be that we’re trying to build around Beal/Maxey/Embiid (assuming Harden walks). I don’t love the idea of the mortgaging the future for that trio but I could live with it.

No, Maxey was in it, too.

He said Harris, Maxey, and "I'm sure they can rustle up a couple picks".

It's just Simmons trying to keep Beal away from his Celtics. And of course hurt the Sixers.

The Celtics have owned the Sixers for the past six years in every way imaginable. I'm tired of having to care. Just blow it up already. Take advantage of the bloated prices and sell HIGH on Jo a year early instead of a year late.

If Morey tries to trade Harris + Maxey + picks for Beal he should be marched out of the complex at gunpoint. Only fans could be so stupid as to seriously suggest this.

[youngcrev]

On the Beal front, the trade idea that Simmons floated was Tobias + picks for Beal so the posturing would be that we’re trying to build around Beal/Maxey/Embiid (assuming Harden walks). I don’t love the idea of the mortgaging the future for that trio but I could live with it.

No, Maxey was in it, too.

He said Harris, Maxey, and "I'm sure they can rustle up a couple picks".

It's just Simmons trying to keep Beal away from his Celtics. And of course hurt the Sixers.

The Celtics have owned the Sixers for the past six years in every way imaginable. I'm tired of having to care. Just blow it up already. Take advantage of the bloated prices and sell HIGH on Jo a year early instead of a year late.

He did not mention Maxey. 1:28 mark of the podcast.

[spikeslovechild]

Value contract's are important, and get breezed over too much by the general public. But they're fetishized to an extent on Realgm. It's great for being able to build a deep roster, but at the end of the day, talent wins. If Daddy Josh can afford a **** NFL team, I don't give a **** how much his tax bill is gonna be, particularly after he ducked it this past year. Don't have any trade assets? Use your wallet to buy some from some dumpy franchise.

Agreed as a fan of an over-the-cap franchise I don't care. I care about production. If Morey thinks Beal can be a 20 PPG guy and be more efficient as part of the trio do the deal.

Our window is only 3-4 years anyways. The issue for me is it's not totally clear. I almost need more to take on his deal. Maybe Kuzma would need to be part of a sign and trade.

[the_process]

On the Beal front, the trade idea that Simmons floated was Tobias + picks for Beal so the posturing would be that we’re trying to build around Beal/Maxey/Embiid (assuming Harden walks). I don’t love the idea of the mortgaging the future for that trio but I could live with it.

No, Maxey was in it, too.

He said Harris, Maxey, and "I'm sure they can rustle up a couple picks".

It's just Simmons trying to keep Beal away from his Celtics. And of course hurt the Sixers.

The Celtics have owned the Sixers for the past six years in every way imaginable. I'm tired of having to care. Just blow it up already. Take advantage of the bloated prices and sell HIGH on Jo a year early instead of a year late.

He did not mention Maxey. 1:28 mark of the podcast.

Could've sworn I heard him say Maxey. My bad, then.

[Negrodamus]

No, Maxey was in it, too.

He said Harris, Maxey, and "I'm sure they can rustle up a couple picks".

It's just Simmons trying to keep Beal away from his Celtics. And of course hurt the Sixers.

The Celtics have owned the Sixers for the past six years in every way imaginable. I'm tired of having to care. Just blow it up already. Take advantage of the bloated prices and sell HIGH on Jo a year early instead of a year late.

He did not mention Maxey. 1:28 mark of the podcast.

Could've sworn I heard him say Maxey. My bad, then.

Be happy, you’ll be finally through with this Tobi contract!

[Stanford]

Beal would be a disaster. On top of being a loser, he plays less games than Embiid and his 3PAr has been hovering around .260 for three years. He shoots less threes than Tobias. And his contract sucks.

[rocketsfan100]

It’s gonna be sad to see Harden take another 2yr 60-70M deal from us & try to spin it as “I sacrificed because all I care about is winning.”

2 yrs / $70M would be great lol.

That’s only 35 million annually which for a player of his caliber is peanuts…….

He made 38 last season so he will be taking even less.

[rocketsfan100]

On the Beal front, the trade idea that Simmons floated was Tobias + picks for Beal so the posturing would be that we’re trying to build around Beal/Maxey/Embiid (assuming Harden walks). I don’t love the idea of the mortgaging the future for that trio but I could live with it.

No, Maxey was in it, too.

He said Harris, Maxey, and "I'm sure they can rustle up a couple picks".

It's just Simmons trying to keep Beal away from his Celtics. And of course hurt the Sixers.

The Celtics have owned the Sixers for the past six years in every way imaginable. I'm tired of having to care. Just blow it up already. Take advantage of the bloated prices and sell HIGH on Jo a year early instead of a year late.

If Morey tries to trade Harris + Maxey + picks for Beal he should be marched out of the complex at gunpoint. Only fans could be so stupid as to seriously suggest this.

I wouldn’t even trade Tobias and picks for an albatross like Beal let alone throw a future star in Maxey. I kid you not maxey might be better than Beal now.

[SixthStreet]

I'd be shocked if Beal had net positive value around the league. It only takes one idiot GM but that contract will require payment to accept.

I'm a Morey fan and I'll be off his bandwagon if he acquires Beal for any less than one FRP coming attached to his contract.

[SixthStreet]

It’s gonna be sad to see Harden take another 2yr 60-70M deal from us & try to spin it as “I sacrificed because all I care about is winning.”

2 yrs / $70M would be great lol.

That’s only 35 million annually which for a player of his caliber is peanuts…….

He made 38 last season so he will be taking even less.

Make it 2 yr 90M then.

[rocketsfan100]

2 yrs / $70M would be great lol.

That’s only 35 million annually which for a player of his caliber is peanuts…….

He made 38 last season so he will be taking even less.

Make it 2 yr 90M then.

I think he will get offer something like three years 135 million with the last year team or player option .

[Mik317]

if we get Beal without giving up Maxey....I can lie to myself that its actually a good move because I am a sick idiot (and I am too stupid to get the CAP stuff anyway)

[Arsenal]

That’s only 35 million annually which for a player of his caliber is peanuts…….

He made 38 last season so he will be taking even less.

Make it 2 yr 90M then.

I think he will get offer something like three years 135 million with the last year team or player option .

Seriously doubt he gets 3/$135m. I’d say $120m tops on a 3 year deal.

[76ciology]

There’s a video in youtube that got me thinking about Embiid.

Basically he said how the biggest problem on Embiid on Sixers offense is how it takes a lot of time to set him up then he would survey the court. With surveying the court he would read where his teammates are and where the defense is. Then he would do his move.

The problem is against good teams. Specially in a 7 game series. Teams eventually can figure him out on defense and what his tendencies are. In the moment he surveys the court, the defense also surveys the sixers offense. Where is he likely to kick it out and how they are going to rotate on defense. There’s no “scrambling” on defense moment because everyone knows where to rotate. And whats worse is with all of these action, time is on the defense side and not on Sixers side.

And this is one of the biggest reason why Biid has a hard time on playoffs than reg season. In the reg season, defense is vanilla. Bad teams with not enough familiarity. In the playoffs, mostly good teams and teams eventually has a better read on Sixers and Embiid, and when that moment comes Sixers are in a handicap on offense despite whatever edge we have on talent.

This is where Nurse's effect on what we do offensively is going to be critical, because as a coach who has schemed against Embiid in multiple playoff series, he knows these things as well as anyone.

We ran as unimaginative a scheme, with little adjustment, as could be imagined, as Rivers was content to keep Embiid as the focal point come hell or high water. As you alluded to it was easy to defend once good defenses locked in on Embiid's tendencies.

I would hope that part of Nurse's message to Harden would be that he would be playing much more of a Jamal Murray role in the offense as primarily a scorer as well as distributor. The second part of the equation would be selling Embiid on more of a Joker-esque role but utilizing his own strengths as a finisher against mismatches created by P&R and ball movement. It's still going to come down to improving his decision making, and I can't help but think Nurse will be heavily addressing that.

It was the same problem with Brett back then. I think Biid is just poor and slow at reading and analyzing situations and poor at handling the ball. So he needs space and he needs time to read the situation slower than geniuses like Jokic or LeBron. The guys also couldn’t move because Biid wont be able to locate them so they just stand still

So if you run a Jojo centric offense. The offense has to be very simplified and vanilla plus the pace should be slow. If you do that then its an environment where defense is empowered.

Then for sure you can take risk and experiment, but its quite a boom or bust. But sample size say its likely going to bust for we’ve seen how Biid plays and we have a large sample size that says coaches also feels that they need to simplify the offense and slow the pace for Biid. Then again, im not saying in definite, maybe Nurse can turn it around.