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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#181 » by playa-hater » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:34 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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TheMartian wrote:If the Celtics' offense weren't so predictable, they'd be in the Finals right now. Spo game planned to take away the 3 ball and succeeded. Easy to game plan against an opponent that has only one go-to move.

Only team in the playoffs other than Golden State with zero post presence. We're basically cheap Warriors knock-offs minus 2 all time great shooters.

Worked out pretty well. Top 3 ranked offense in the reg season. Top 2 (#1 in the east) ranked offense in the playoffs.

Had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF.


I going to lose it If I see another ranking based on what Boston did in the regular season..

Come-on Hal.. stop it..
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#182 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:40 pm

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Hal14 wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:Only team in the playoffs other than Golden State with zero post presence. We're basically cheap Warriors knock-offs minus 2 all time great shooters.

Worked out pretty well. Top 3 ranked offense in the reg season. Top 2 (#1 in the east) ranked offense in the playoffs.

Had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF.


I going to lose it If I see another ranking based on what Boston did in the regular season..

Come-on Hal.. stop it..

Reg season is a much larger, more statistically significant sample size than postseason. 82 game reg season. Some teams only played 4 or 5 postseason games.

I included our postseason ranking in my post too, though.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#183 » by JaMarco » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:42 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:Worked out pretty well. Top 3 ranked offense in the reg season. Top 2 (#1 in the east) ranked offense in the playoffs.

Had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF.


I going to lose it If I see another ranking based on what Boston did in the regular season..

Come-on Hal.. stop it..

Reg season is a much larger, more statistically significant sample size than postseason. 82 game reg season. Some teams only played 4 or 5 postseason games.

Only the playoffs matter though, so some team should give Caleb Martin a max contract.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#184 » by playa-hater » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:35 pm

JaMarco wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
I going to lose it If I see another ranking based on what Boston did in the regular season..

Come-on Hal.. stop it..

Reg season is a much larger, more statistically significant sample size than postseason. 82 game reg season. Some teams only played 4 or 5 postseason games.

Only the playoffs matter though, so some team should give Caleb Martin a max contract.


So you exaggerate everything to try to make a point. Calib Martin killed Boston.. has not killed all playoff long. Does not have a history of killing in the playoffs..

With that said He is definitely in for a pay raise from someone.

*** J Brown was 2nd all NBA team this regular season and All star. J Murray was neither.. Look at the playoffs.. It's not even close who is better. Yet some would still take Brown over Murray.. so yeah, let's look at regular season...
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#185 » by JaMarco » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:19 pm

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Hal14 wrote:Reg season is a much larger, more statistically significant sample size than postseason. 82 game reg season. Some teams only played 4 or 5 postseason games.

Only the playoffs matter though, so some team should give Caleb Martin a max contract.

*** J Brown was 2nd all NBA team this regular season and All star. J Murray was neither.. Look at the playoffs.. It's not even close who is better. Yet some would still take Brown over Murray.. so yeah, let's look at regular season...

These things aren't in a vacuum though. Murray has the benefit of playing with the best player in the world in Jokic and a better overall team and system. If you just stick Murray on the Celtics and replace him with Brown I'm not convinced he replicates the same success. I wonder why he doesn't also do this in the regular season to earn himself more money, it's not like he's old and has to load manage.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#186 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:24 pm

I'm not looking forward to another year of selfish, bad basketball. So here's a question: what team should we all root for if the Celtics continue to be unwatchable?
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#187 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:34 am

Curmudgeon wrote:I'm not looking forward to another year of selfish, bad basketball. So here's a question: what team should we all root for if the Celtics continue to be unwatchable?

Lakers? :lol:
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#188 » by flintsky21 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:40 am

Hal14 wrote:
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TheMartian wrote:If the Celtics' offense weren't so predictable, they'd be in the Finals right now. Spo game planned to take away the 3 ball and succeeded. Easy to game plan against an opponent that has only one go-to move.

Only team in the playoffs other than Golden State with zero post presence. We're basically cheap Warriors knock-offs minus 2 all time great shooters.

Worked out pretty well. Top 3 ranked offense in the reg season. Top 2 (#1 in the east) ranked offense in the playoffs.

Had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF.

Yeah. Works in the regular season. Great. But when playoffs comes, you're basically tossing a coin on whether it'll be a good or bad shooting night from 3 to determine the outcome of your games.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#189 » by Hal14 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:18 am

flintsky21 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:Only team in the playoffs other than Golden State with zero post presence. We're basically cheap Warriors knock-offs minus 2 all time great shooters.

Worked out pretty well. Top 3 ranked offense in the reg season. Top 2 (#1 in the east) ranked offense in the playoffs.

Had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF.

Yeah. Works in the regular season. Great. But when playoffs comes, you're basically tossing a coin on whether it'll be a good or bad shooting night from 3 to determine the outcome of your games.

So you missed the part of my post where I said where we had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF?
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#190 » by JaMarco » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:45 am

flintsky21 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:Only team in the playoffs other than Golden State with zero post presence. We're basically cheap Warriors knock-offs minus 2 all time great shooters.

Worked out pretty well. Top 3 ranked offense in the reg season. Top 2 (#1 in the east) ranked offense in the playoffs.

Had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF.

Yeah. Works in the regular season. Great. But when playoffs comes, you're basically tossing a coin on whether it'll be a good or bad shooting night from 3 to determine the outcome of your games.

Isn't that pretty much every team including the Heat? You can't really win another way unless you have a dominant big man.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#191 » by flintsky21 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:12 am

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Hal14 wrote:Worked out pretty well. Top 3 ranked offense in the reg season. Top 2 (#1 in the east) ranked offense in the playoffs.

Had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF.

Yeah. Works in the regular season. Great. But when playoffs comes, you're basically tossing a coin on whether it'll be a good or bad shooting night from 3 to determine the outcome of your games.

So you missed the part of my post where I said where we had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF?

The Heat get a lot points from short jumpers from Bam and Butler, some just outside the paint. And when I talk about post presence, it's more than just actual scoring. Bam will always command defenses when he's around the rim. He'll always be an option down low for Butler to feed or drop the ball off to. Nobody's worried about Boston inside the 3-point line. NOBODY.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#192 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:18 am

Denver just showed the world how not great Miami is.

Running it back is the safe play for the Celtics, but the Celtics need to get a quality big man.

Not doing so would mean the result of this year would be the same next year.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#193 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:23 am

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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#194 » by tfmiii » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:35 am

Hal14 wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:
TheMartian wrote:If the Celtics' offense weren't so predictable, they'd be in the Finals right now. Spo game planned to take away the 3 ball and succeeded. Easy to game plan against an opponent that has only one go-to move.

Only team in the playoffs other than Golden State with zero post presence. We're basically cheap Warriors knock-offs minus 2 all time great shooters.

Worked out pretty well. Top 3 ranked offense in the reg season. Top 2 (#1 in the east) ranked offense in the playoffs.

Had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF.

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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#195 » by JaMarco » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:00 am

flintsky21 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
flintsky21 wrote:Yeah. Works in the regular season. Great. But when playoffs comes, you're basically tossing a coin on whether it'll be a good or bad shooting night from 3 to determine the outcome of your games.

So you missed the part of my post where I said where we had more points in the paint than Miami in the ECF?

The Heat get a lot points from short jumpers from Bam and Butler, some just outside the paint. And when I talk about post presence, it's more than just actual scoring. Bam will always command defenses when he's around the rim. He'll always be an option down low for Butler to feed or drop the ball off to. Nobody's worried about Boston inside the 3-point line. NOBODY.

What the hell are you talking about? Celtics way outscored the Heat in paint points this last series.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#196 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:05 am

Keep Tatum.
Keep Brown (because of his contract situation, you can't get back equal value.)
Keep White (the real heart and soul of the team.)

Everyone else and the 2024/26/28 First Round Picks should be on the table for a Trade for another star.
This time around, someone sane and not likely to take a dump on Lucky.

Preferably a Big Man.
Porzingis would be interesting.
He may not be a First or Second Option and there have been injury issues in the past,
but he can score: 23 ppg, hit 3-pointers: .385, rebound: 8.4, get to the line: 6.4 fta, block shots: 1.5
and pass: 2.7 apg, as well as making his fts: .851.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#197 » by JaMarco » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:06 am

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Keep Brown (because of his contract situation, you can't get back equal value.)

Exactly.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#198 » by playa-hater » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:52 am

JaMarco wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Keep Brown (because of his contract situation, you can't get back equal value.)

Exactly.


And what value is that?

300 million dollars or so?

Is it not possible that Brown is overvalued as a player?
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#199 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:04 am

playa-hater wrote:
JaMarco wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Keep Brown (because of his contract situation, you can't get back equal value.)

Exactly.


And what value is that?

300 million dollars or so?

Is it not possible that Brown is overvalued as a player?


He certainly is in some regards, but with his ability to just walk away from whatever club
trades for him, you can't get fair value. Signing him to the SuperMax is the lesser of two evils.
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Re: Just Run It Back 

Post#200 » by JaMarco » Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:05 am

playa-hater wrote:
JaMarco wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Keep Brown (because of his contract situation, you can't get back equal value.)

Exactly.


And what value is that?

300 million dollars or so?

Is it not possible that Brown is overvalued as a player?

He is an overvalued right player right now, that's the point. No other team is going to want to give up great assets for the right to overpay Brown. And the Celtics can't let him walk for nothing.

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