Just Run It Back

[Fierce1]

Exactly.

And what value is that?

300 million dollars or so?

Is it not possible that Brown is overvalued as a player?

He certainly is in some regards, but with his ability to just walk away from whatever club
trades for him, you can't get fair value. Signing him to the SuperMax is the lesser of two evils.

True.

It's a case of lesser of 2 evils.

But no way JB is worth 59m per year.

His bball IQ is just too low.

[JaMarco]

And what value is that?

300 million dollars or so?

Is it not possible that Brown is overvalued as a player?

He certainly is in some regards, but with his ability to just walk away from whatever club
trades for him, you can't get fair value. Signing him to the SuperMax is the lesser of two evils.

But no way JB is worth 59m per year.

His bball IQ is just too low.

So why would you think another team would trade something good for him?

[Fierce1]

He certainly is in some regards, but with his ability to just walk away from whatever club
trades for him, you can't get fair value. Signing him to the SuperMax is the lesser of two evils.

But no way JB is worth 59m per year.

His bball IQ is just too low.

So why would you think another team would trade something good for him?

That's why I'm on the "run it back" bandwagon.

Trading JB now is highly unlikely.

[Fierce1]

The most logical thing to do is to give this core group one more chance and that includes Joe.

But what I want the Cs to do is go after a quality big man.

That's the only thing Brad needs to add to this team.

It may not be a very popular choice, but I think Smart is the best trade chip right now.

[ThePigeon]

The most logical thing to do is to give this core group one more chance and that includes Joe.

But what I want the Cs to do is go after a quality big man.

That's the only thing Brad needs to add to this team.

It may not be a very popular choice, but I think Smart is the best trade chip right now.

Get a quality big or at least one who can score under the basket
Use Brogdon as a trading chip

Keep Smart

[playa-hater]

He certainly is in some regards, but with his ability to just walk away from whatever club
trades for him, you can't get fair value. Signing him to the SuperMax is the lesser of two evils.

But no way JB is worth 59m per year.

His bball IQ is just too low.

So why would you think another team would trade something good for him?

Because the NBA is full of dumb people in management.. Some fool will be thinking that getting a bargain 2nd team all nba player.... That's why..

[Fierce1]

The most logical thing to do is to give this core group one more chance and that includes Joe.

But what I want the Cs to do is go after a quality big man.

That's the only thing Brad needs to add to this team.

It may not be a very popular choice, but I think Smart is the best trade chip right now.

Get a quality big or at least one who can score under the basket
Use Brogdon as a trading chip

Keep Smart

I don't think Brogs has as much value as Smart.

Celts will be fine with White starting and Brogs coming off the bench.

For example, if the Suns move on from CP3, they will want a new PG.

Smart is a better fit with Booker and KD.

Cs can get Ayton in return.

[Fierce1]

One of the strengths of the Nuggets is all 5 of their starters are good 3-point shooters.

From 1 to 5, you can't leave any of their starters open at the 3-point line.

While Smart had a very good playoffs, his shooting is still too inconsistent, teams are still intentionally leaving him open.

I know it's not a popular choice and Brad may not trade Smart, but Smart is really not a PG and the Cs are better off finding someone better to play PG.

So either trade Smart or make him a SG.

[chrisab123]

The most logical thing to do is to give this core group one more chance and that includes Joe.

But what I want the Cs to do is go after a quality big man.

That's the only thing Brad needs to add to this team.

It may not be a very popular choice, but I think Smart is the best trade chip right now.

Get a quality big or at least one who can score under the basket
Use Brogdon as a trading chip

Keep Smart

I don't think Brogs has as much value as Smart.

Celts will be fine with White starting and Brogs coming off the bench.

For example, if the Suns move on from CP3, they will want a new PG.

Smart is a better fit with Booker and KD.

Cs can get Ayton in return.

I think Smart and Brogdon have the same value. Smart kills his value with the constant 3s and the need to be the guy. Brogdon is coming off a 6th man of the year win. Smart is an elite defensive guard that has been empowered to be the guy on this team despite being a really good role player. Will he get his touches on his new team? Will he go back to punching fire extinguishers? You don't know with him.

Which is probably why they're running it back with the big 3 of Smart Tatum and Brown and Smart will take the shots when the game is on the line.

[JaMarco]

But no way JB is worth 59m per year.

His bball IQ is just too low.

So why would you think another team would trade something good for him?

Because the NBA is full of dumb people in management.. Some fool will be thinking that getting a bargain 2nd team all nba player.... That's why..

Nah, everyone just watched Brown fail in a huge series against the Heat especially that possibly historic game 7 everyone watched. Everyone knows he's overvalued. No one's giving up anything good for him.

[Hal14]

He certainly is in some regards, but with his ability to just walk away from whatever club
trades for him, you can't get fair value. Signing him to the SuperMax is the lesser of two evils.

But no way JB is worth 59m per year.

His bball IQ is just too low.

So why would you think another team would trade something good for him?

Another team wouldn't have to pay him $59 mil a year.

One option is trading him now, before he signs the supermax.

Sure, we wouldn't get the maximum amount of value back for him, since he only has 1 year left on his deal. But we can at least get a good amount of value (perhaps Siakam, perhaps Simons + 3rd pick, perhaps something else) back - especially if it is discussed ahead of time that the team he's being traded to is a team he'd be cool with extending his contract with when the time comes..

[Hal14]

The most logical thing to do is to give this core group one more chance and that includes Joe.

But what I want the Cs to do is go after a quality big man.

That's the only thing Brad needs to add to this team.

It may not be a very popular choice, but I think Smart is the best trade chip right now.

Get a quality big or at least one who can score under the basket
Use Brogdon as a trading chip

Keep Smart

I think we all would rather keep Smart and trade Brogdon.

But Smart is a better trade chip. I think that's the point Fierce1 is trying to make - no one is gonna want Brogdon. And if we are able to find a team willing to trade for him, we're not getting very much in return. We're more likely to get a player back who can really make a meaningful impact (and actually crack our rotation consistently) if we trade Smart instead of Brogdon.

But I don't think Brad has the balls to trade Smart. He loves Smart.

[Hal14]

So why would you think another team would trade something good for him?

Because the NBA is full of dumb people in management.. Some fool will be thinking that getting a bargain 2nd team all nba player.... That's why..

Nah, everyone just watched Brown fail in a huge series against the Heat especially that possibly historic game 7 everyone watched. Everyone knows he's overvalued. No one's giving up anything good for him.

Teams aren't basing personnel decisions off a 1 game sample size when the dude was playing with a wrist injury - and was having to carry more of the load / play a much larger role than he's used to since Tatum sprained his ankle on the 1st play of the game.

[JaMarco]

But no way JB is worth 59m per year.

His bball IQ is just too low.

So why would you think another team would trade something good for him?

Another team wouldn't have to pay him $59 mil a year.

One option is trading him now, before he signs the supermax.

Sure, we wouldn't get the maximum amount of value back for him, since he only has 1 year left on his deal. But we can at least get a good amount of value (perhaps Siakam, perhaps Simons + 3rd pick, perhaps something else) back - especially if it is discussed ahead of time that the team he's being traded to is a team he'd be cool with extending his contract with when the time comes..

I don't believe they can even get a good amount of value for 1 year of Brown. Why would Brown pre-agree to extend with a team when he can just hit FA and pick where he wants? Doesn't make any sense.

[Fierce1]

So why would you think another team would trade something good for him?

Another team wouldn't have to pay him $59 mil a year.

One option is trading him now, before he signs the supermax.

Sure, we wouldn't get the maximum amount of value back for him, since he only has 1 year left on his deal. But we can at least get a good amount of value (perhaps Siakam, perhaps Simons + 3rd pick, perhaps something else) back - especially if it is discussed ahead of time that the team he's being traded to is a team he'd be cool with extending his contract with when the time comes..

I don't believe they can even get a good amount of value for 1 year of Brown. Why would Brown pre-agree to extend with a team when he can just hit FA and pick where he wants? Doesn't make any sense.

The downside of hitting FA is JB will only get 4 years max.

If JB gets traded now, he will not get the supermax but he will get the 5-year max from his new team because his new team inherits his bird rights.

JB hitting FA and signing with a different team means he's walking away from that 5th year worth around 40m.

But trading JB now will mean JB will forever hate Boston.

[JaMarco]

Another team wouldn't have to pay him $59 mil a year.

One option is trading him now, before he signs the supermax.

Sure, we wouldn't get the maximum amount of value back for him, since he only has 1 year left on his deal. But we can at least get a good amount of value (perhaps Siakam, perhaps Simons + 3rd pick, perhaps something else) back - especially if it is discussed ahead of time that the team he's being traded to is a team he'd be cool with extending his contract with when the time comes..

I don't believe they can even get a good amount of value for 1 year of Brown. Why would Brown pre-agree to extend with a team when he can just hit FA and pick where he wants? Doesn't make any sense.

The downside of hitting FA is JB will only get 4 years max.

If JB gets traded now, he will not get the supermax but he will get the 5-year max from his new team because his new team inherits his bird rights.

JB hitting FA and signing with a different team means he's walking away from that 5th year worth around 40m.

But trading JB now will mean JB will forever hate Boston.

Got it, thanks. Trading him for worse players is still worse of the 2 evils than just paying him the supermax. There's still a chance Brown could make a significant leaps in his game. There's no chance old mediocre Siakam or whoever random players do.

[Triple7]

One of the strengths of the Nuggets is all 5 of their starters are good 3-point shooters.

From 1 to 5, you can't leave any of their starters open at the 3-point line.

While Smart had a very good playoffs, his shooting is still too inconsistent, teams are still intentionally leaving him open.

I know it's not a popular choice and Brad may not trade Smart, but Smart is really not a PG and the Cs are better off finding someone better to play PG.

So either trade Smart or make him a SG.

I agree with all you’ve said except make Smart a SG. Shooting guard means somebody that can actually shoot lol.
Remember the game against the bucks with all the starters missing and the bucks had everyone on their home floor. They barely beat us in OT. It’s because we had a lineup of white, brogdon, hauser, PP, grant and muscala. Griffin played as well, and Joe benched Rob. The bucks had a hard time defending us because everyone inside was a threat from deep. Since the Jays weren’t playing, the ball movement was great. No ball stoppers. Same thing with what you said with the nuggets. Problem with our team in the playoffs. You have guys like brown and smart who are poor to average shooters. Rob a non shooter. Tatum, horf and brogdon are too inconsistent shooters. and we still kept on chucking 3’s. Our best shooters are not playing, or playing on limited mins.

[Triple7]

Another team wouldn't have to pay him $59 mil a year.

One option is trading him now, before he signs the supermax.

Sure, we wouldn't get the maximum amount of value back for him, since he only has 1 year left on his deal. But we can at least get a good amount of value (perhaps Siakam, perhaps Simons + 3rd pick, perhaps something else) back - especially if it is discussed ahead of time that the team he's being traded to is a team he'd be cool with extending his contract with when the time comes..

I don't believe they can even get a good amount of value for 1 year of Brown. Why would Brown pre-agree to extend with a team when he can just hit FA and pick where he wants? Doesn't make any sense.

The downside of hitting FA is JB will only get 4 years max.

If JB gets traded now, he will not get the supermax but he will get the 5-year max from his new team because his new team inherits his bird rights.

JB hitting FA and signing with a different team means he's walking away from that 5th year worth around 40m.

But trading JB now will mean JB will forever hate Boston.

Let him hate boston. Paying him the supermax is just stupid. He’s not even close to being worthy of that kind of money. No way we can trade him with that contract. I’d rather get a lesser player, plus picks.

[chrisab123]

I don't believe they can even get a good amount of value for 1 year of Brown. Why would Brown pre-agree to extend with a team when he can just hit FA and pick where he wants? Doesn't make any sense.

The downside of hitting FA is JB will only get 4 years max.

If JB gets traded now, he will not get the supermax but he will get the 5-year max from his new team because his new team inherits his bird rights.

JB hitting FA and signing with a different team means he's walking away from that 5th year worth around 40m.

But trading JB now will mean JB will forever hate Boston.

Let him hate boston. Paying him the supermax is just stupid. He’s not even close to being worthy of that kind of money. No way we can trade him with that contract. I’d rather get a lesser player, plus picks.

Boston is not a destination. They don't really have a choice

[Curmudgeon]

I've been a Celtics fan for many decades and I've just stopped caring. I was more entertained by Todd Day, Frank Brickowski and Greg Minor than I have been by this current team. Bad basketball is ultimately boring, and I'd rather watch Plan 9 from Outer Space than a movie that purports to be good but isn't.