Bigger peak gap - David Robinson vs Tim Duncan or John Stockton vs Karl Malone?

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Stockton vs Malone
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77%
 
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Re: Bigger peak gap - David Robinson vs Tim Duncan or John Stockton vs Karl Malone? 

Post#21 » by penbeast0 » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:53 am

migya wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:Actually, Stockton and Miller were both excellent drivers and finishers, unlike some of the other 3 point greats of the era. The complaint with Stockton is that he doesn't call his own number enough; compare him to the equivalents of his era like Nash and you will see Stockton drives to the basket more and more successfully. Similarly, Miller has a fine foul draw for a 3 point specialist, significantly better than Ray Allen both career and peak, mainly because he would use his 3 point shot to set up his drives and was crafty at drawing the foul (or cheating if you prefer with his leg kick on his pull ups).


Reggie jumped into players and got the foul calls, he wasn't much of a driver and finisher, though not awful. Ray Allen was much more athletic, faster and skilled at taking it to the basket. Stockton was a pitbull type, feisty and finished with some contact.


Do you have their efficiency at the hoop anywhere? I thought we had it posted once and Miller was the superior finisher as well as drawing more fouls though the fouls were the biggest differentiator. Fouls count either way though. Ray Allen was more of a classic run/jump player, Reggie was the better slasher then and probably now.
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Re: Bigger peak gap - David Robinson vs Tim Duncan or John Stockton vs Karl Malone? 

Post#22 » by migya » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:20 pm

penbeast0 wrote:
migya wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:Actually, Stockton and Miller were both excellent drivers and finishers, unlike some of the other 3 point greats of the era. The complaint with Stockton is that he doesn't call his own number enough; compare him to the equivalents of his era like Nash and you will see Stockton drives to the basket more and more successfully. Similarly, Miller has a fine foul draw for a 3 point specialist, significantly better than Ray Allen both career and peak, mainly because he would use his 3 point shot to set up his drives and was crafty at drawing the foul (or cheating if you prefer with his leg kick on his pull ups).


Reggie jumped into players and got the foul calls, he wasn't much of a driver and finisher, though not awful. Ray Allen was much more athletic, faster and skilled at taking it to the basket. Stockton was a pitbull type, feisty and finished with some contact.


Do you have their efficiency at the hoop anywhere? I thought we had it posted once and Miller was the superior finisher as well as drawing more fouls though the fouls were the biggest differentiator. Fouls count either way though. Ray Allen was more of a classic run/jump player, Reggie was the better slasher then and probably now.



I don't have any numbers, just watched them and yea, Reggie did a fair bit of jumping into played for the calls.

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