Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[MettaWorldPanda]

I don’t think Kyrie gets a max or even a 5 year deal.

I’m thinking like 3/100-120M maybe? His antics have probably killed someone giving him massive long term money.

Herro and dipos expiring and we keep Lowry and picks to fill out the rest of the roster.

Herro and Dipo opt in could also be a very big possibility. Maybe even the inclusion of Jovic. One way or another I think we have many avenues to get his deal done. Way more then I could ever envision with Dame and Portland.

[Kobewade11]

fwiw I don't think Dallas would have interest in pairing Herro with Doncic, so a S&T would have to involve other guys.

[Spacely]

Id go Lavine WAY before I consider Kyrie.

It's

Dame



Lavine

Beal



Kyrie

Lavine and Beal doesn’t get us over the top unfortunately, I do like those players though

For me it’s
Dame
Kyrie
Lavine
Beal

[MettaWorldPanda]

You’re insane if you’d rather run it back than have Kyrie fuc it at this point

Who in there right mind is not trading any combination of Herro and Lowry or Oladipo for Kyrie is insane. Even if it don't work out long term who cares we tried.

[Spacely]

You’re insane if you’d rather run it back than have Kyrie fuc it at this point

Who in there right mind is not trading any combination of Herro and Lowry or Oladipo for Kyrie is insane. Even if it don't work out long term who cares we tried.

We just went 0-2 in the finals in the last 4 years idc just bring SOMEBODY GOOD

[greg4012]

Dallas is a team that I look at that would have plenty of use for many of our pieces through a S&T. They are looking for ready now players to play with Luka not draft assets. Herro would be a great fit playing with Luka. Dallas also wanted Lowry in the past as a vet leader.

Ahh yes all the defensive role players that Dallas is looking for

[MettaWorldPanda]

fwiw I don't think Dallas would have interest in pairing Herro with Doncic, so a S&T would have to involve other guys.

I think they would give it a look. Not like there are going to get anyone better then Herro when looking at matching salaries via S&T. They have Hardway Jr with Doncic so don't see a reason they would shy away from Herro. Herro is 8 years younger then Hardaway Jr so he would be a viable replacement for him at the two.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What I tell you about my Kyrie theory

Haha, Dame is by far option 1 but Kyrie is a great fallback (better than Beal) and I’ve always been on board with getting him! I was begging for him last summer lol

3 level all star scorer completes this team and wins us championships, yes, championships!

Can you expound on how Kyrie is better than Beal? I see them similar level, although I understand why Kyrie has had more cache as a player due to being on more competitive teams. I legitimately think this is worth the thought exercise.

Age wise it’s definitely Beal but he’s a wild card to me. What’s been going on with him since Westbrook left? Is this what Beal is now or is he more of the prior 2 seasons where he was at 31-4-6. That contract is massive. Looking at it now, he’s only a year and some change younger than Kyrie, im not sure that’s enough to really decide between the 2.

I believe Kyrie to be the better scorer, shooter, playmaker and rebounder. The shooting is big to be, he’s a better 3 point shooter on twice the volume, that’s exactly what this team is lacking. Also elite in iso situations and has shown to take his game to an extremely high level on the biggest stage, we don’t have that with Beal. I think you get Kyrie on a much better contract too and keep assets to fill out the roster.

Pecking order for me right now:

1. Dame
2. Kyrie
3. Beal

We need an elite Pg, someone that can provide rim pressure and find bam on dump offs and pick n roll settings. These guys will make the team far better but will also make Bam better. I’m so tired of guys not being able to make a simple pass to him for the easy bucket, Dragic was great at it

[Spacely]

Dallas is a team that I look at that would have plenty of use for many of our pieces through a S&T. They are looking for ready now players to play with Luka not draft assets. Herro would be a great fit playing with Luka. Dallas also wanted Lowry in the past as a vet leader.

Ahh yes all the defensive role players that Dallas is looking for

So Dallas just lets him walk for nothing?(if he even has a market, somebody might bite though) Get what you can

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You’re insane if you’d rather run it back than have Kyrie fuc it at this point

Who in there right mind is not trading any combination of Herro and Lowry or Oladipo for Kyrie is insane. Even if it don't work out long term who cares we tried.

Trade Herro and Dipo and you’re literally adding Kyrie for 2 guys that didn’t do anything for us in the playoffs. Put Kyrie on the heat, are we still losing the finals in 5? Hell no

[greg4012]

Kyrie Irving 5 year max contract comes out to roughly 272.2 million and if you do the math that comes out to roughly 54 per year. Lowry and Herro combined salaries come out to 56 million. Think about it

If this is the price tag and it requires giving away assets AND having Kyrie under contract through age 36, then give me Beal for 4 years, giving away maybe just 1 pick (and Herro) and having him through age 33 season at similar pay per year.

Kyrie is the much better fit. This team is begging for a dynamic PG of his caliber and he's won a championship. Kyrie is a unique character but this is the right place at the right time for him and us.

If we're being real Kyrie is a scoring guard. Assist numbers are actually quite similar for the past few years between the 2. Again,
I just want the best opportunity that works. I view both as similar level players and both good basketball fits. I think Kyrie gets more cache because he is on more visible teams and played on a championship team with LeBron. But, that's exactly it...all of Kyrie's offensive production rarely comes with the full defense's attention because he's been playing with a who's who of best wing scorers in the NBA.

If the price is right (and his head is right), gimme Kyrie on this roster all day. But, if it starts getting max costly and costs more assets, then I think it's damn risky to go for the older and less stable player for more years.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Haha, Dame is by far option 1 but Kyrie is a great fallback (better than Beal) and I’ve always been on board with getting him! I was begging for him last summer lol

3 level all star scorer completes this team and wins us championships, yes, championships!

Can you expound on how Kyrie is better than Beal? I see them similar level, although I understand why Kyrie has had more cache as a player due to being on more competitive teams. I legitimately think this is worth the thought exercise.

Age wise it’s definitely Beal but he’s a wild card to me. What’s been going on with him since Westbrook left? Is this what Beal is now or is he more of the prior 2 seasons where he was at 31-4-6. That contract is massive. Looking at it now, he’s only a year and some change younger than Kyrie, im not sure that’s enough to really decide between the 2.

I believe Kyrie to be the better scorer, shooter, playmaker and rebounder. The shooting is big to be, he’s a better 3 point shooter on twice the volume, that’s exactly what this team is lacking. Also elite in iso situations and has shown to take his game to an extremely high level on the biggest stage, we don’t have that with Beal. I think you get Kyrie on a much better contract too and keep assets to fill out the roster.

Pecking order for me right now:

1. Dame
2. Kyrie
3. Beal

We need an elite Pg, someone that can provide rim pressure and find bam on dump offs and pick n roll settings. These guys will make the team far better but will also make Bam better. I’m so tired of guys not being able to make a simple pass to him for the easy bucket, Dragic was great at it

We just had a 38 year old Kyle Lowry playing major minutes in the finals and we are sitting here discussing Kyrie 5 years from now at 36

[greg4012]

Dallas is a team that I look at that would have plenty of use for many of our pieces through a S&T. They are looking for ready now players to play with Luka not draft assets. Herro would be a great fit playing with Luka. Dallas also wanted Lowry in the past as a vet leader.

Ahh yes all the defensive role players that Dallas is looking for

So Dallas just lets him walk for nothing?(if he even has a market, somebody might bite though) Get what you can

Not to us as we don't have cap space.

[Spacely]

You’re insane if you’d rather run it back than have Kyrie fuc it at this point

Who in there right mind is not trading any combination of Herro and Lowry or Oladipo for Kyrie is insane. Even if it don't work out long term who cares we tried.

Trade Herro and Dipo and you’re literally adding Kyrie for 2 guys that didn’t do anything for us in the playoffs. Put Kyrie on the heat, are we still losing the finals in 5? Hell no

And then we still retain Jovic which I know he’ll get more run next season

[Spacely]

Plus we get our 18th pick in the draft

[MettaWorldPanda]

Ahh yes all the defensive role players that Dallas is looking for

So Dallas just lets him walk for nothing?(if he even has a market, somebody might bite though) Get what you can

Not to us as we don't have cap space.

Already a report about Houston having interest in Kyrie but of course I think that's Irving's camp already starting the leverage.

[Spacely]

Ahh yes all the defensive role players that Dallas is looking for

So Dallas just lets him walk for nothing?(if he even has a market, somebody might bite though) Get what you can

Not to us as we don't have cap space.

Then we simply move on, That wasn’t the point. Another team can snag him up. So they either be fine with the players we send them or they get nothing and lost their role players for a rental.

[greg4012]

So Dallas just lets him walk for nothing?(if he even has a market, somebody might bite though) Get what you can

Not to us as we don't have cap space.

Already a report about Houston having interest in Kyrie but of course I think that's Irving's camp already starting the leverage.

That doesn't help us.

Funny how much the mention of Kyrie energizes this board.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This probably has no chance of happening but if the blazers decide to try and compete I wonder if we can get in on that.

Lowry and a 1st (maybe Jovic or something) for Grant in a sign and trade and now Portland sends scoot, Lowrys expiring and another 1st or 2 for Siakam and OG.

They’ve been wanting Siakam and OG for awhile, maybe if we help them get it done we can get rewarded with grant along with our Kyrie addition

[greg4012]

So Dallas just lets him walk for nothing?(if he even has a market, somebody might bite though) Get what you can

Not to us as we don't have cap space.

Then we simply move on, That wasn’t the point. Another team can snag him up. So they either be fine with the players we send them or they get nothing and lost their role players for a rental.

Or find a better sign and trade partner that serves their interests. Getting into a bidding war for Kyrie is concerning. For the right price, I'm in and have been for years.