Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It makes just about zero sense to trade Herro for Kyrie.

Herro for Dame is one thing. Unlikely the Blazers accept without wanting Bam, but if we can pull it off great. Kyrie on the other hand, makes no sense. He's a net negative at this point and has repeatedly shown unwillingness to do the exact things that got us to the Finals this year. Spo might be able to whip him into shape sure, but its not a burden I'd care to put on him or the coaching staff.

A trade for Kyrie should be around picks and salary relief like Lowry/Dipo. They get picks instead of giving him up for nothing, Kyrie locks up a likely nauseating long term deal, and we upgrade without giving up any additional player assets. You can then maybe flip Herro for a real big man/low post presence to put next to Bam.

I can already tell this off season trade thread is going to be full of idiotic proposals by agenda driven 'fans' though.

You’re literally incapable of having any sort of discussion without trying to **** on others and out yourself on a pedestal. Your takes are wrong to top it off.

Please take that **** to another thread

[Spacely]

What do you mean lol? I’m fine with Kyrie at 36, I just don’t think a team is going to give Kyrie a 5 year max or even 5 year deal period because of his antics. 3 years seems like the most likely route, then you reevaluate

Honestly 3 years does make since too because that fits the time line of Jimmy and Bams contract as well, all three would be free agents at the same time.

That’s when friendships matter and you add a Mitchell/Tatum to the mix with Bam and an older Kyrie and Jimmy to prolong the run

You think Jimmy will still be serviceable at 37? I’m not giving him a max contract at that age, so he’d have to sign for alot less. Now Bam & Mitchell I’m up for and we’ll see how it goes if Kyrie is still at elite level, or still would want to be here.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Honestly 3 years does make since too because that fits the time line of Jimmy and Bams contract as well, all three would be free agents at the same time.

That’s when friendships matter and you add a Mitchell/Tatum to the mix with Bam and an older Kyrie and Jimmy to prolong the run

You think Jimmy will still be serviceable at 37? I’m not giving him a max contract at that age, so he’d have to sign for alot less. Now Bam & Mitchell sup I’m up for and we’ll see how it goes if Kyrie is still at elite level, or still would want to be here.

I think Jimmy will be a solid 4th maybe 5th best player on a team at 37 but depending on if he works on his jumper and puts a lot of time into his body and staying healthy he could be better. He’s definitely not getting a max at that age

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[AirP.]

Dallas is going to do what it takes to retain Kyrie even if it means the max for 4 years; Miami can keep their eye on the situation, but they shouldn't waste time trying to get him. At least Dame's situation should be cleared up in the next week or 2 when Portland shows which direction they're going (they should move Lillard and continue to rebuild).

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dallas is going to do what it takes to retain Kyrie even if it means the max for 4 years; Miami can keep their eye on the situation, but they shouldn't waste time trying to get him. At least Dame's situation should be cleared up in the next week or 2 when Portland shows which direction they're going (they should move Lillard and continue to rebuild).

Trading Scoot to try and build a championship team for 3-4 more elite years from Dame (with an average coach at best and more than likely not much outside of dame and the all star for scoot) will set the franchise back a decade

[greg4012]

In unpacking the Kyrie hypothetical some more, wouldn't a sign and trade hard cap Miami? How would that have to work to be viable in this scenario?

[greg4012]

Dallas is going to do what it takes to retain Kyrie even if it means the max for 4 years; Miami can keep their eye on the situation, but they shouldn't waste time trying to get him. At least Dame's situation should be cleared up in the next week or 2 when Portland shows which direction they're going (they should move Lillard and continue to rebuild).

Trading Scoot to try and build a championship team for 3-4 more elite years from Dame (with an average coach at best and more than likely not much outside of dame and the all star for scoot) will set the franchise back a decade

It will literally be what the Nets did when trading the #6 pick to Portland for an old Gerald Wallace. That #6 pick turned into Dame.

Sadly, I don't think Portland is interested in heeding that lesson.

[AirP.]

It makes just about zero sense to trade Herro for Kyrie.

Herro for Dame is one thing. Unlikely the Blazers accept without wanting Bam, but if we can pull it off great. Kyrie on the other hand, makes no sense. He's a net negative at this point and has repeatedly shown unwillingness to do the exact things that got us to the Finals this year. Spo might be able to whip him into shape sure, but its not a burden I'd care to put on him or the coaching staff.

A trade for Kyrie should be around picks and salary relief like Lowry/Dipo. They get picks instead of giving him up for nothing, Kyrie locks up a likely nauseating long term deal, and we upgrade without giving up any additional player assets. You can then maybe flip Herro for a real big man/low post presence to put next to Bam.

I can already tell this off season trade thread is going to be full of idiotic proposals by agenda driven 'fans' though.

Dallas already spent 2 good players and 3 draft assets to take a chance on Kyrie, they're not going to just move on from him now without getting a big return in a S&T, they just need to get the right types of players around Luka and Kyrie, a defensive wing would help them greatly... you know like the one they traded in DFS to get Kyrie. Dallas is doing the smart thing, they're going after the top tier talent even if they have warts.

Getting Lillard will be complicated, Portland already has Simons, Sharpe and some other younger players with talent, they should rebuild but who knows. It'll take a 3rd team willing to give up a bunch for either Herro or Simons to make this trade possible.

Although Lillard mentioned Miami and Brooklyn as destinations, he talked about specific players on those teams, I think that was more of letting the FO know which particular players he'd want them to go after in a trade... Bam or Bridges.

[Spacely]

In unpacking the Kyrie hypothetical some more, wouldn't a sign and trade hard cap Miami? How would that have to work to be viable in this scenario?

Maybe it be a handshake deal and we do all our moves then do the official trade after? I dunno.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I knew it, this run we put on with the quality of players we have definitely put us in the market for vets and potential free agents.

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Great posts guys... It made the the season a lot more fun... Will miss you

Where are you going?

[AirP.]

Dallas is going to do what it takes to retain Kyrie even if it means the max for 4 years; Miami can keep their eye on the situation, but they shouldn't waste time trying to get him. At least Dame's situation should be cleared up in the next week or 2 when Portland shows which direction they're going (they should move Lillard and continue to rebuild).

Trading Scoot to try and build a championship team for 3-4 more elite years from Dame (with an average coach at best and more than likely not much outside of dame and the all star for scoot) will set the franchise back a decade

Sure, but that may be part of the "agreement" Lillard has with Portland ownership for him to stay with the franchise instead of requesting a trade during his prime years, it's a unique situation.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Will Dame and Bam be playing together again for the world cup this summer? I hope so but I have a feeling Dame will sit out to figure his stuff out.

I have no clue the timing on when fiba stuff starts up

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I knew it, this run we put on with the quality of players we have definitely put us in the market for vets and potential free agents.

If we have to gut the team, and I don’t think we will, we’ll have no problem filling out the roster

[MettaWorldPanda]

In unpacking the Kyrie hypothetical some more, wouldn't a sign and trade hard cap Miami? How would that have to work to be viable in this scenario?

Heat would probably welcome being hard capped since they most likely don't want to go over the second apron. Same scenario happened with Lowry. Most of the players coming in would be minimal salaried vets looking to win a ring.

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[greg4012]

Will Dame and Bam be playing together again for the world cup this summer? I hope so but I have a feeling Dame will sit out to figure his stuff out.

I have no clue the timing on when fiba stuff starts up

Is Bam playing? I kinda selfishly would prefer him to just be in the lab getting his game and body ready for next season. Team USA only uses Bam in a limited capacity anyways

[greg4012]

In unpacking the Kyrie hypothetical some more, wouldn't a sign and trade hard cap Miami? How would that have to work to be viable in this scenario?

Heat would probably welcome being hard capped since they most likely don't want to go over the second apron. Same scenario happened with Lowry. Most of the players coming in would be minimal salaried vets looking to win a ring.

I get that, but isn't it a very narrow set of circumstances that would even allow Miami to be subject to the hard cap? Isn't the hard cap less than what Miami is currently committed to in salary for next season?

Aside from my not thinking that Kyrie will be available at the discount that many others seem to, this is the puzzle piece that I'm struggling to make sense of.